WCS Win Rates - Page 9

On August 01 2012 15:48 koppik wrote:
An 18.5% winrate? Wow. Well, it's nice to see the breakdown for the WCS.

On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING.

Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja.

MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future.

Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything.

TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful
2)make ravens.

On August 01 2012 15:48 koppik wrote:
An 18.5% winrate? Wow. Well, it's nice to see the breakdown for the WCS.

On August 01 2012 16:08 sieksdekciw wrote:

Hold your horses. Stop putting an imba label on everything.

Here are the facts:

1. All zergs and protosses overnight became super good, terrans forgot how to play at roughly the same time. This time may or may not coincide with patches

2. Zergs and Tosses now comprise 35% and 35% of the population accordingly. Terran is roughly 22%. This ratio is kept up to bronze, where terran dominates. There are roughly 40% less terrans than tosses or zerg on every league but bronze, which might be tied with the misterious disappearance of terran from the ladder. See:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319705

3. Terran win rates vs zerg in the pro level were for a moment close to 20%. According to me, this is only a slight fluctuation, the likes of which we have never seen in sc2 history..

4. Terran metagame has been stale since beta, while zerg and toss have innovated so much, like not sending banes on attack move and refraining from making stalkers only in every matchup. Also, discovering the infestor after 1.5 years of muta play was a nice find.

5. Foreign terran players are just bad. They don't understand that in order to play terran on a pro level, you have to have at least 3 times better mechanics than your opponent, and since most of them have only 2.5 times better mechanics than their opponents, foreign terrans are in a huge slump.

6. 4 months in which no big tournament was won by terran are not big enough a sample size. Blizzard used to nerf terran every two weeks, but now they have learned their lesson, so they are going to wait 2 more months before nerfing them again. People should understand that nerfs to terran are not tied to statistical result. As a matter of fact, whatever happens in the meantime, terran will be nerfed every patch because of David Kim's phobia of guns.

7. Since obviously ravens are the answer, the future, and therefore op, next patch will be nerfing them.


TLDR:A huge community of terran players complaining about zerg and toss being imbalanced. Statistics don't matter, despite terrans having 50% less representation in ladder and in tournaments and appalling win rate. Nerf to raven is coming. Terrans are just bad and not innovative.

On August 01 2012 16:02 hunts wrote:
You people do realize that BW had 0 balance changes for what 10 years or so? And race win rates still fluctuated, because of meta game shifts, player skill, and pure luck. I think Idra said it best a while ago, though people disagreed with him (obviously Idra isn't allowed to be right.) You can't just look at statistics, you have to look at the actual games. Are certain players just better than others and skewing statistics? Are certain players getting lucky brackets and playing weak opponents? Are certain players just purely getting lucky and beating opponents they shouldn't? You can't just look at some numbers and go "well race X is winning too much and race Y is winning too little" without truly analyzing the statistics by how many of each race were actually at the tournament, rating each players skill, seeing how many of race X lost to a higher skill player or how many of race Y got lucky and played vs bad players etc... WCS statistics are especially bad to look at without specifying the skill level of the players because there are A LOT of semi-pro and unknown players in the WCS who don't play at the top level, and a lot of games that matched people of drastically different skill levels.

On August 01 2012 16:18 FuzzyJAM wrote:
See, Zerg and Protoss whine was never this sophisticated. This is yet more proof that Terran domination was simply because we're more intelligent. Sadly, even our superior intellect isn't helping us when we're given a rubber knife to fight against assault shotguns.

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On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING.

Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja.

MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future.

Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything.

TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful
2)make ravens.

On August 01 2012 16:23 Noocta wrote:


Great, now I'm seeing TaeJa as Rambo with his knife between his teeth in a jungle infested by protoss and zerg. :<

On August 01 2012 16:25 Scila wrote:


Yeah man, those pesky Terrans are so lazy and refuse to use the Raven! HSM is so freaking good its like twice as good as fungal, Terrans just want to use tier 1 all game and win.

On August 01 2012 07:31 MCXD wrote:
This is actually misleading, because terran is very underrepresented in america and europe (esp at high levels). Regardless of balance, it's expected statistically that there would be less terrans. For that reason alone, the statistics here can't be trusted to make the point that terran is underpowered.

Furthermore, if you look at korean matchup statistics recently, everything is actually pretty close to 50%.