EPTTerran wins: He got lucky and/or was just a better player than his opponent.
WCS Win Rates - Page 8
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
Terran wins: He got lucky and/or was just a better player than his opponent. | ||
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Killerkrack
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Kamwah
United Kingdom724 Posts
On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING. Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja. MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future. Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything. TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful 2)make ravens. This is truth. Gotta add though you've improved since the patch hit Beasty. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1073 Posts
Sting - qualified for TSL. Hack - qualified for TSL and WCS. BeastyQT - (despite his whine in this thread) qualified for TSL, all-killed in an IPL, and winner of the NASL open tournament. Taeja - #1 Korean ELO, won MLG, qualified for TSL, multiple all-kills or multi-kills in teamleagues, perhaps the current best player in the world. All of this despite being the 3rd or 4th best Terran on Slayers previously. Major - been around forever, but after a long missing period is starting to show his stuff in the TSL after qualifying and then winning against Hyun in round 1. Of all the terran qualifiers for TSL, only Keen and Select seem to be approximately where they've always been... though Keen has looked a little more consistent lately. All the other ones that I've named have really stepped up their game recently despite the patch. Add in Illusion as an up-and-coming NA star or the re-emergence of Byun after his hiatus or Reality being the only Kespa player to qualify for WCS. You can also see that 4 of the last 5 TSL qualifiers were won by Terrans as they started to figure out the new metagame vs Zerg. Finally, in the first round of the TSL, Terran has gone 3-0 including a Major vs Hyun TvZ upset. At the highest levels, Terran has adjusted and is getting back to winning a whole lot. Unfortunately for Terrans, the international WCS qualifiers happened at a very low point in TvZ and Terrans didn't fare too well then. The original picture simply shows that data while ignoring the more recent data. | ||
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FatkiddsLag
United States413 Posts
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Ghoststrikes
Canada1356 Posts
Taeja WRECKS everything left and right. "Nothing to see here, they are just playing good" Foreigner terrans lose to other foreigners. "OMFG terran so underpowered" Really guys? The standard to balance is something like the WCS Belgium qualifiers? C'mon now... | ||
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Pato
Argentina67 Posts
On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING. Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja. MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future. Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything. TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful 2)make ravens. u are so cool lol | ||
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Pato
Argentina67 Posts
Yes its true. Terrans are whinners. TAeja probably wins bcuz he plays terran. Not because he is an abnormal korean who plays better than jesus himself. We should also nerf terran race in bw cause flash wins a lot Race is too strong! This numbers shows reality and still balance team don't do anything. Really dissapointing User was warned for this post | ||
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rckY
Germany116 Posts
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On August 01 2012 13:12 rckY wrote: Sorry for referring to page 2/3, but calling johnnyrecco and SortOf random zergs is just plain bullsh*t and shows you have no idea what's been going on in the last 2 months in the EU sc2 scene. By past two months do you mean since the queen patch? And by "what's going on" do you mean Kas & Beastyqt being the only two Terrans who haven't fallen off the map, and the huge surge in P and Z players? Ya, I'll count djrecco and sortof as part of the P & Z crowd that are surging because non KR Terrans have been getting roflstomped. I'll also count them as part of the crowd that may or may not fade away once Terran is on equal footing (or HotS). So... ya they are kind of random zergs... but we'll have to wait and see won't we. | ||
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System42
172 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:31 Chernobyl wrote: I still lose to terrans. Everyone loses to terran. its not like Terran never win against zerg or protoss its just when they do lose because they played bad or stupid they complain about balance. the only difference between top terrans and them is that they know how to play terran | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On August 01 2012 14:07 spbelky wrote: By past two months do you mean since the queen patch? And by "what's going on" do you mean Kas & Beastyqt being the only two Terrans who haven't fallen off the map, and the huge surge in P and Z players? Ya, I'll count djrecco and sortof as part of the P & Z crowd that are surging because non KR Terrans have been getting roflstomped. I'll also count them as part of the crowd that may or may not fade away once Terran is on equal footing (or HotS). So... ya they are kind of random zergs... but we'll have to wait and see won't we. Don't forget Thorzain. Just won WCS Sweden. | ||
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Pato
Argentina67 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On August 01 2012 14:10 System42 wrote: Everyone loses to terran. its not like Terran never win against zerg or protoss its just when they do lose because they played bad or stupid they complain about balance. the only difference between top terrans and them is that they know how to play terran So random ladder Protoss and Zergs know how to play their races now? | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
I don't disagree that Terrans are taking a beating world-wide, but the important thing to note is that in the GSL, Terrans have effectively recovered. Some might argue that this is just because they are ahead in the metagame, but I doubt it. Terran is the race with the highest skill ceiling due to the infinite micro that can be applied to stimmed marines and constant pressure they can apply with drops. These two functions combine to turn Terran into the only race that can ALWAYS outplay their opponent and turn an otherwise lost game into a win (what we are currently seeing happen in the GSL). Everywhere else, Terrans will continue to perform with mediocre results. If you truly want global win rates for Terran to recover, tell Blizzard to nerf the Marine and buff elsewhere. This is the move they should have made 2 years ago, and now (non-korean) Terrans are suffering for it. | ||
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Gool
Argentina204 Posts
On August 01 2012 14:19 Pato wrote: cool, i just need to travel to slayers house and train all day to stand a chance! (Y) Or a hand transplant... | ||
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Pato
Argentina67 Posts
im talking about real good players. U don't match in the list ^^ u lost easily in wcs 2:0 =) dont forget who take u out plz and stop crying. | ||
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pmp10
3366 Posts
On August 01 2012 14:33 Jermstuddog wrote: So long as perfectly micro'd marines are the biggest strength of Terran and nothing similar exists for the other two races, the game will be broken at either the top level (GSL), or everywhere else. I don't disagree that Terrans are taking a beating world-wide, but the important thing to note is that in the GSL, Terrans have effectively recovered. Some might argue that this is just because they are ahead in the metagame, but I doubt it. Terran is the race with the highest skill ceiling due to the infinite micro that can be applied to stimmed marines and constant pressure they can apply with drops. These two functions combine to turn Terran into the only race that can ALWAYS outplay their opponent and turn an otherwise lost game into a win (what we are currently seeing happen in the GSL). Everywhere else, Terrans will continue to perform with mediocre results. If you truly want global win rates for Terran to recover, tell Blizzard to nerf the Marine and buff elsewhere. This is the move they should have made 2 years ago, and now (non-korean) Terrans are suffering for it. I'd actually would put the fault at stimpack movement speed bonus but do agree as to the gist of what you're saying. Unfortunately Blizzard didn't admit the problem then (was anyone unbiased enough to see it coming?) and refuses to do it now. The only real question for terran design is whether the HotS mech focus can actually work in a race build around heavy micro. Personally I doubt it. But either way I think foreigner terrans are screwed - Blizzard won't balance for their skill-level and they will have to count on getting so rare that other races will simply grow unfamiliar with fighting them. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
this shows how bad foreigners are compared to korea. 2 entire matchups is deemed unplayable for foreigner terrans  | ||
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