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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
Kinda funny how many people still put effort into arguing that Terran is not totally underpowered especially below the Korean Code S level. Almost more whine about the whine than whine itself. Its a fact and everyone should accept it - Terran is harder to play and thus has a very hard time outside of Korea. Blizzard will not buff Terran because then Korean Terrans would own too hard again. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
...OR perhaps he's almost always been the strongest player in spain irrespective of race. If you pick out favourites from a number of those countries then most of the time you've got your winner anyway. When MVP won the Blizzcup last year we were treated to a slew of ZvZ because a lot of national champions around the world play zerg. This was well before queen patch and during the time where GomTvT was the thing. But hey, I guess Thorzain and Lucifron are gods for winning as terran as opposed to actually being the best player of that country on the day. Sick of people undermining the national champions in WCS. I don't see an undeserving winner anywhere. I don't even see undeserving upsets. So what am I missing? | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Oh wait, http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67636 | ||
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whsper
Canada48 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING. Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja. MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future. Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything. TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful 2)make ravens. This is the best post of the thread.  | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:10 Deckkie wrote: You could also wonder why there are more P and Z players qualifying. We know that Terran is the least played race in the west, and that this is even worse in the higher levels. But with the amount of players playing, statisicly, there should be a equal representation on the tournament, relative to the ladder. This however does not seem to be the case. MouzMarine is a 14/15 year old up and coming Terran  Heromarine is not up-and-coming Terran. Just because you put a team tag, and promote him doesn't make him good. He's no more than a GM Terran, he has been losing left and right everywhere. | ||
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Natespank
Canada449 Posts
My own ignorant input: Of the pool of 10,000s of hardcore starcraft 2 players, players who play terran have the hardest time producing results, as is evidenced by sc2ranks masters league race composition stats, and this thread. Still, I'd accept that just fine as long as the units weren't so damn boring in this game... HotS could be huge for sc2. | ||
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MapleFractal
Canada307 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:35 MorroW wrote: the maps in wcs were pretty favored towards terran and less to zerg (shakuras, tal darim, ohana etc) is probably a good reason why terrans has been doing this well lol which is sad at <25% winrate | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
And in fact, it kinda makes sense in a way, if you don't watch anything else other than GSL or Taeja, you'll believe it. But don't watch foreign SC2, where 10 sick up-and-coming zerg and protoss players pop up every month, but not a single Terran. The foreign scene is not manly enough to handle Terran. Except Goody... | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
Maybe we should be asking why there are so few terrans | ||
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kosai
20 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:31 Natespank wrote: Still, I'd accept that just fine as long as the units weren't so damn boring in this game... HotS could be huge for sc2. More a-move units in HotS. Don't expect too much or you might end up being disapointed. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
Naama and Thorzain help in that department. | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
Be honest with me, regardless of their race did you not expect the following to happen: 1| Stephano dominating WCS France without dropping a single map 2| Mana and Nerchio taking top two in WCS Poland 3| Grubby and Ret taking top two in WCS Holland Those three cases at just examples. Generally speaking you see the countries that have strong terrans in them get terrans up high but most countries simply don't have very good terran players. ThorZaIN and Lucifron for example managed to win their WCS championships, Happy and DeMusliM finished second. The only genuine surprise disappointment performance is Kas who for some reason had a very bad performance at WCS Ukraine. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote: Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt. Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:45 magnaflow wrote: Everyone saying "of course terran is doing poorly, they are very under represented" Maybe we should be asking why there are so few terrans There have always been fewer Terrans outside Korea. Look at WCG 2011: Not-Korea sends out 11 Terrans, 20 Protosses and 22 Zergs. Korea sends out 3 Terrans, 0 Protosses and 0 Zergs. That was before the Queen buff. | ||
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whatevername
471 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:19 marcesr wrote: Smaller playerbase means smaller skill pool, which means inferior results. Theres never been more than maybe 3 half decent foreign terrans, even when korean terrans were basically sleeping through their tvz and tvp match ups. QXC thorzain kas are basically the only [at one time or now] really good foreign terrans ever.Fiewer Terrans should mean a higher win ratio of Terrans because the top 1 or 2 Terrans of each country are playing against Zergs and Protosses who are between number 1 and 10 in the same country. Kinda funny how many people still put effort into arguing that Terran is not totally underpowered especially below the Korean Code S level. Almost more whine about the whine than whine itself. Its a fact and everyone should accept it - Terran is harder to play and thus has a very hard time outside of Korea. Blizzard will not buff Terran because then Korean Terrans would own too hard again. On August 01 2012 09:45 magnaflow wrote: Probably the same reason there were so few in bw-- hell probably for the most part people are carrying over their old racial tendencies. Terran in BW had a higher skill curve, but was the strongest race. Basically no foreigners played it, at the top of the scene or otherwise. Same I'd argue is true now. Likewise, terran is basically 'vanilla', humans are probably always predisposed to be under represented in that sense.Everyone saying "of course terran is doing poorly, they are very under represented" Maybe we should be asking why there are so few terrans | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote: Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. The pros play 8+ hours a day. If the Terran pros cant find the time to study Taeja, break down his strategies and possibly integrate it into their own style, then id say they are mucking around too much rather than doing their job. If one person can succeed then so can others, this is the way it is with anything in life. | ||
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