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On August 01 2012 10:02 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. The pros play 8+ hours a day. If the Terran pros cant find the time to study Taeja, break down his strategies and possibly integrate it into their own style, then id say they are mucking around too much rather than doing their job. If one person can succeed then so can others, this is the way it is with anything in life.
try telling that to zergs when fruitdealer won
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I think we all know foreign Terrans have never been as successful as Korean Terrans.
Most WCS RO8s have fewer Terrans to begin with which shows that doesn't it?
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On August 01 2012 09:28 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING.
Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja.
MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future.
Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything.
TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful
2)make ravens.
This is the best post of the thread. 
I second this. Well played, Beasty.
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it's quite balanced now, + Show Spoiler +.
at least the winning ratio every month on tlpd is very closed.
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On August 01 2012 10:02 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. The pros play 8+ hours a day. If the Terran pros cant find the time to study Taeja, break down his strategies and possibly integrate it into their own style, then id say they are mucking around too much rather than doing their job. If one person can succeed then so can others, this is the way it is with anything in life.
What Taeja shows is that if you're much better than your opponent, you can win with terran. So yes, it's possible, but not really fair.
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On August 01 2012 09:50 Dexington wrote:
WCS Nordic helped to prove that Terran isn't actually weak, they just need better foreign representation.
Naama and Thorzain help in that department.
Saying Naama proves terran isnt weak is a bit much. Naama is a smart player but pulling scvs with his inevitable allin doesnt make his race powerful. Just makes him a smart player.
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On August 01 2012 10:08 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 10:02 Incomplet wrote:On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. The pros play 8+ hours a day. If the Terran pros cant find the time to study Taeja, break down his strategies and possibly integrate it into their own style, then id say they are mucking around too much rather than doing their job. If one person can succeed then so can others, this is the way it is with anything in life. try telling that to zergs when fruitdealer won
You mean hope for an Ultralisk bug to make it through tough matches?
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On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja.
And not every Terran plays the caliber of Korean players Taeja does, i.e. most of WCS.
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On August 01 2012 07:40 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 07:37 Detri wrote:
What people seem to forget is that a lot of the best players in Korea play terran, due to boxer. They would be good with any race. Could you imagine taeja microing mutas? or storms? Or gumiho's multitasking with a warp prism and ling runbys?? what does this have to do with anything?
korean terrans win becase they are better than they people they are playing. Just like a GM player will most likely beat a mid masters player. Doesn't matter about balance when the player is stronger. At identical skill levels terran is weaker... you couldn't infer that on your own?
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If one players did fugure out how to win again with Terran ( TaeJa ) everyone of them should be able to learn and win more within the next weeks.
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On August 01 2012 10:17 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. And not every Terran plays the caliber of Korean players Taeja does, i.e. most of WCS.
Thats the thing...not being able to play at the caliber of Taeja is NOT an excuse. Its the Pro's job to train hard to become equivalent if not better. Similarly there is a good reason why Koreans consistently out-perform foreigners in every single tournament. Koreans aren't born better at SC2, their genetics dont make them better at SC2, its simply their training regiment and work ethic.
Its this kind of attitude why foreigners have already lost before the game even begins. Saying things like "not everyone can be like Taeja". Taeja is human just like everyone else, and if he can do it then anyone can despite their skin color. All you need is the will and determination to do so and the results will come.
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On August 01 2012 10:22 Detri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 07:40 Toppp wrote:On August 01 2012 07:37 Detri wrote:
What people seem to forget is that a lot of the best players in Korea play terran, due to boxer. They would be good with any race. Could you imagine taeja microing mutas? or storms? Or gumiho's multitasking with a warp prism and ling runbys?? what does this have to do with anything? korean terrans win becase they are better than they people they are playing. Just like a GM player will most likely beat a mid masters player. Doesn't matter about balance when the player is stronger. At identical skill levels terran is weaker... you couldn't infer that on your own?
No, I don't think a normal player who wasn't grossly biased towards Terran sentiment would have inferred this on his own.
On August 01 2012 10:27 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 10:17 rd wrote:On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. And not every Terran plays the caliber of Korean players Taeja does, i.e. most of WCS. Thats the thing...not being able to play at the caliber of Taeja is NOT an excuse. Its the Pro's job to train hard to become equivalent if not better. Similarly there is a good reason why Koreans consistently out-perform foreigners in every single tournament. Koreans aren't born better at SC2, their genetics dont make them better at SC2, its simply their training regiment and work ethic. Its this kind of attitude why foreigners have already lost before the game even begins. Saying things like "not everyone can be like Taeja". Taeja is human just like everyone else, and if he can do it then anyone can despite their skin color. All you need is the will and determination to do so and the results will come.
Are you replying to me or Phobbers? Cause if it's to me you've taken my post miles out of context missing the mark entirely.
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Look, I play Protoss and I will agree that while Terran is balanced at the highest level of play, they are underpowered at lower levels because they are so fragile. Both zerg and protoss are much more forgiving for a misclick or a slip in macro. At the top levels where it comes down to game sense, battle positioning and metagaming its pretty balanced as they most likely won't lose due to sloppy control no matter what race they play.
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Ok, I now see that there was no terran in the top8 of belgium WCS. You finally have me convinced with these statistics. I suggest a +2 range increase for the bunker, so that the difference in range between it and a queen remains the same as in previous patches.
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How many of each race were there?
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On August 01 2012 08:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
These statistics obviously prove nothing just like last 20 tournaments there was 1 terran in finals it proves NOTHING.
Foreigner terrans are obviously awful players (all of them) which is main reason why they cant win, besides that terran is underpresented (wonder why) which is again reason why terran never wins - not enough terran players. If foreigners stoped whining and started practicing maybe they would win something, just look in Korea everything is fine, so many terrans still dominating and I will go as far to name all of them: Taeja.
MMA, MVP, MKP are obviously whiners that got no clue about the game saying that terran is worst race and I know what they need to do, they need to make RAVENS and start making new builds, I feel like they arent innovative enough.. But yeah with all the recent terran domination (Taeja winning 1 tournament) game is fine and people need to make more ravens, because one raven will deny ALL creep spread, kill 6 queens on its own and destroy zerg economy. Raven - weapon of future.
Also 4 months of tournament results is too low sample size to prove anything.
TLDR: 1)foreigner terrans are awful
2)make ravens.
Everyone should read this post 
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Beastyqt judgment day, bitches!
But yeah, in recent time all we see are different stats gathered to show how bad terrans are doing.
We get it. Terrans are doing horribly. They can't win shit. It's true.
However. It still doesn't prove the race is underpowered yet. It proves currently terrans are still using outdated strats and can't adapt and figure out a way to regain their win ratios. Sure, if it goes like that for more than half a year, or even a whole year, certainly something will be done by Blizz, but meanwhile it's almost futile to gather those stats.
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BeastyQT hit the nail on the head. Every Korean pro there is has come out saying that TvZ is Zerg favoured. Half the Protoss players have come out saying TvZ is imbalanced (PvZ notwithstanding). Every foreign Terran thinks it's imbalanced. And yet Johnny Gold over on TL thinks that he has the secret to why every Terran in the entire world is having trouble playing consistently well against equally skilled Zergs. Forgive me if I'm skeptical.
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On August 01 2012 10:08 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 10:02 Incomplet wrote:On August 01 2012 09:58 Phobbers wrote:On August 01 2012 09:50 Incomplet wrote:
Taeja destroying Genius and Coca just now on IPL. Sorry if Taeja can beat top notch Koreans, other Terrans can. They need to watch, learn and adapt.
Or in MVP's case, recover from his injury. Saying because X player can do it is one of THE worst arguments one can make. Almost as bad as saying since X player beat Y player, and since Y player beat Z player, that means X player > Z player. Not every Terran can be Taeja. The pros play 8+ hours a day. If the Terran pros cant find the time to study Taeja, break down his strategies and possibly integrate it into their own style, then id say they are mucking around too much rather than doing their job. If one person can succeed then so can others, this is the way it is with anything in life. try telling that to zergs when fruitdealer won
HAHAHA, omg that's golden. Thank you for saying something. One player succeeding =/= balance, it just means that player is special.
With that said, I do think that there is an imbalance at the semi-pro level, but you can't exactly balance around the B team... Again, it doesn't really matter, this balancing act is negligible compared to what is going to be on Blizzards plate with HotS balancing...
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