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On July 13 2012 00:12 MrZentor wrote:*sigh* If I were scum I wouldn't have been so candid about my inability to explain my reasons, and I would have just used this as my reason. + Show Spoiler +I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears. But whatever. -.-
- If I were scum I wouldn't flip flop so much like a scummy Aberrant, I would just post like town.
what.
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On July 09 2012 06:01 MrZentor wrote:
Sinensis, Marv, VE
^Looks like a scum list. At the time, Zentor had full suspicion on Sinensis. VE was getting some suspicions. He said himself that he had a little suspicion of marv because he could be playing so well he could scum.
On July 10 2012 06:25 MrZentor wrote:
Isn't it funny that when I list some names you automatically assume it's a list of people I think are scummy?
^Denies that it is a scum list. This is basic English interpretation.
Does not clarify what it is.
On July 12 2012 07:30 MrZentor wrote:
Saying that I find it humorous that they assume that it's a scum list is not the same as saying that it's not a scum list.
Wait, if he wasn't denying it was a scumlist, that means it was a scumlist right? NOT(NOT(scumlist)) = scumlist. Logic, right?
Still not clarified.
On July 13 2012 00:04 MrZentor wrote:
Well I think I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.
I mean, that would be a good reason to do it, but I'm not sure if that's why I did it. I'm not entirely sure why I did it. :/
Finally, he clarifies it. It's a random list with two leaders... WAIT WHAT.
VE was not a leader at the time. In fact, people were casting suspicion on him.
MrZentor himself said he thought marv could be scum at this exact point in time.
Also, it contradicts with the previous post that you can infer that it is a scumlist.
Result: a lot of confusion. a LOT.
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WHY DO YOU MISINTERPRET EVERYTHING I SAY ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
If I were scum I would have said that my reason for saying the list was "I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears."
But I honestly have no idea why I did it.
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Also MrZentor, you still haven't given your thoughts on slOosh.
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I initially didn't respond to this because I really think that there isn't anything there, but I realize now that I've overestimated my ability to show towniness. I'll be addressing step-by-step.
On July 12 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote:slOosh makes a big post here about the two guys he finds scummiest day 1. He cements his read on Sinensis in this post here. But come towards the end of the day, NSH voices doubts about the Sinensis lynch. Having had 2 leading candidates for the day 1 lynch, slOosh simply abandons them without further ado. He agrees on wiggles without explanation here, but WITHOUT A VOTE, and only after 3 people had voted wiggles does he join them. He gives no real explanation for why he's happy to vote wiggles over his 2 preferred candidates, only repeating others in that "he doesn't seem to be playing like his town self". He doesn't even say why HE'S not voting Sinensis, merely why others aren't.Then there's this post where he claims to have 'buyer's remorse'. Trying to look good but ever since wiggles was brought up, slOosh did nothing to push his main 2 reads. Basically what I'm getting at is this. slOosh had 2 people he said he was happy to lynch on day 1, prplhz and Sinensis (especially). But when push came to shove and the wiggles wagon started, he jumped over to wiggles without barely a peep about why this was a good idea, and he never pushed his 2 preferred lynches. Which brings us on to
So I swapped because marv and NSH expressed concerns on the lynch. I respect both as players and I saw them townish.
Thus when they brought up drwiggl3s and expressed more confidence in it, I trusted them and went through with it. By then my read on drwiggl3s was null (could be either). So I trusted my town reads and was ok with it, and when it seemed like we were switching over I did. My post describing him was a response to this post - yes it is just objective commentary. I realize now I wasn't transparent in why I did that. Buyer's remorse is actually the point where I suspected NSH of pushing scum counterlynch, how much resistance there was to start the Sinensis wagon. After the lynch and Sinensis couple of posts, as well as reflecting on how day played out, I bought into idea that he was extremely stubborn town once again (cf. SoaF mafia where at lylo he doesn't even try co-operating with town).
I'm assuming I didn't push prplhz because I thought he could have been town at that point - honestly I can't recall that far back. It also looks like I started targeting people who suddenly were much vocal about pushing this Sinensis wagon but didn't do anything to help me D1. Yes, I wasn't transparent as to why I felt Sinensis was town. But I straight up called him town and no one addressed it
On July 08 2012 13:54 slOosh wrote:
Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction.
Would you guys agree with this assessment?
I also clearly expressed my concerns on people pushing the Sinensis wagon (why weren't they there to help me D1???)
On July 10 2012 00:30 slOosh wrote:
Yo MrZentor,
I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore.
From my perspective this totally looks like Sinensis is another mislynch being set up, as people who were totally absent D1 pop up and decide this is a good wagon to push.
I clearly show interest in finding out
On July 10 2012 04:59 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I assume it's because you think I'm scum and I'm all about it slOosh. If I'm wrong go ahead and fill me in, but you're reading my change in style as scummy caution and there's nothing I can do about that.
I don't know what I think about prplhz because I've been ignoring everything he posts. I thought he was scum earlier and when I laid off because his posting picked up he immediately called me scum. So frankly I have no idea how to read the guy without bias and as such I'm leaving his fate to town. I'll admit that discrediting him needlessly is probably anti-town, but honestly there's nothing I can do about that.
And my last question concerning Sinensis?
Read the context: VE is totally uncooperative and passive aggressive.
I said I trusted your judgements - that was before VE totally pissed me off. I said it before - I was somewhat blinded by my emotions. I just wanted him dead. Is wanting VE dead alignment telling? I'm not trying to demean his play or anything, I'm just saying that what he did pissed me off and I wanted him dead. With people showing hesitation, I thought along these lines "both are scum but this town doesn't have the guts to lynch VE. I might get shot tomorrow (probably still confident in my town-showing ability at this point) and then no one will lynch VE". I referred to PYPoison:
On June 05 2012 05:48 Radfield wrote:
Toad is deliberately skewing things and trying to misdirect. He is scum.
I also agree that risk.nuke is probably scum too, and see no redeeming features to his play. That being said, I feel Toad is a much larger threat than risk.nuke, as he is far more able to wiggle out of a lynch if I die. risk is going no where however.
Toad was scum who was appealing to emotion. risk.nuke was null lurker.
That last bit where I missed the drwiggl3s filter: yes that was unintentionally scummy. By then I wanted VE dead dead dead never want to play with him again if he flips town dead, don't care what his alignment is he is playing like crap dead dead dead. So yea I pulled a scum move and didn't double check everything.
Also mentioned is little things - this is probably my not-too-serious on the fly posts. Question once again is "how does it push scum agenda"?
I feel like my proposed scum team is solid - there is stuff on them as individuals, there is connections between them that show a unified scum agenda. Maybe I'm being full of myself again when I say this but I feel like you vastly overestimate my ability to play mafia (especially as mafia since it would be my second time rolling not town) - in the sense that making cohesive stuff up like this would be extremely difficult to do from mafia perspective but I'm somehow pulling it off. (Unless I'm full of it again and my cases aren't really that awesome, but meh I'm still learning).
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And I suppose we are gonna let prplhz skate by another day huh.
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MrZentor let's start talking more about my cases. How valid do you think they are? Do you think anyone else could be scum? Do you also agree that Zeph is making distractions from my posts by needlessly attacking you?
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 00:50 Zephirdd wrote:^Looks like a scum list. At the time, Zentor had full suspicion on Sinensis. VE was getting some suspicions. He said himself that he had a little suspicion of marv because he could be playing so well he could scum. Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 06:25 MrZentor wrote:
Isn't it funny that when I list some names you automatically assume it's a list of people I think are scummy? ^Denies that it is a scum list. This is basic English interpretation. Does not clarify what it is. Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:30 MrZentor wrote:
Saying that I find it humorous that they assume that it's a scum list is not the same as saying that it's not a scum list. Wait, if he wasn't denying it was a scumlist, that means it was a scumlist right? NOT(NOT(scumlist)) = scumlist. Logic, right? Still not clarified. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 00:04 MrZentor wrote:
Well I think I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.
I mean, that would be a good reason to do it, but I'm not sure if that's why I did it. I'm not entirely sure why I did it. :/ Finally, he clarifies it. It's a random list with two leaders... WAIT WHAT. VE was not a leader at the time. In fact, people were casting suspicion on him. MrZentor himself said he thought marv could be scum at this exact point in time. Also, it contradicts with the previous post that you can infer that it is a scumlist. Result: a lot of confusion. a LOT.
Okay, let me show you why your logic is terribly flawed.
^Denies that it is a scum list. This is basic English interpretation.
I said it several times, and I'll say it again- saying that it's funny that they assume it's a scum list does NOT mean it's NOT a scum list. IT DOESNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER IT IS A SCUM LIST OR NOT
Wait, if he wasn't denying it was a scumlist, that means it was a scumlist right? NOT(NOT(scumlist)) = scumlist. Logic, right?
Still not clarified.
You never denied that you were a unicorn. That means you're a unicorn, right?
Finally, he clarifies it. It's a random list with two leaders... WAIT WHAT.
VE was not a leader at the time. In fact, people were casting suspicion on him.
MrZentor himself said he thought marv could be scum at this exact point in time.
I always see VE as a leader. Anybody could be scum at any point. That doesn't mean it's probable.
You're the one spreading confusion with your ridiculous logic.
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Not all posts push an agenda, slOosh. You keep asking "how does this push a scum agenda". Well, freaking out at the end of day 2 and getting me to lynch a powerful townie, that's a pretty scummy agenda (again, others were expressing doubts, but you refused to even entertain the notion he was town).
You've played/obsed enough games with VE in. What he did in this game was nothing compared to the spam/crap/whatever he can put into a thread. I don't believe your massive overreaction to it was genuine.
Again, I will take the time later to read your cases.
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This is for Zeph, because he can't be bothered to read my responses to his questions.
+ Show Spoiler +It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision.
Don't worry, now I know you're the scum and Sloosh is innocent. 
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On July 13 2012 00:14 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote:I am going to do slOosh the courtesy of reading his posts and cases. Stuff like this doesn't help: On July 12 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote:
This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]). The quotes below are not the only time I've indicated the claim makes me uncomfortable, I just found them quickly On July 08 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I'm really angry with how you made me claim cop and then you just unvote out of nowhere. With how quickly the bandwagon stopped I bet that there were scum on it though and I think that VisceraEyes is scum.
I don't get why wherebugsgo thinks my behavior is off because I am cop. He's one of the main proponents of "play blue as green" and how you're only blue while you send in your actions. I play like this, last time I was blue was in Pick Your Poison (with wherebugsgo) and no one guessed it.
Don't you dare. You completely brought this upon yourself and bugs is totally correct. If you are the cop then your play at the beginning of the day was absolutely atrocious, and COMPLETELY unbefitting of your role. You're perfectly capable of solid townie play, but instead you throw crap at the thread when you're in possession of such a power role? What the fuck, seriously? On July 08 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
There's 2 inter-related reasons I'm wary of lynching prplhz today, being
1) I have a terrible record with assessing/lynching blue claims,
2) I have a tendency to grossly overestimate what I expect from players I have respect for (and you are one, prplhz).
An example of these 2 things working together is Bang Bang, where I lynched (shot) gonzaw the claimed cop. I thought the claim was iffy, but most of all I expected MORE from his play previously (there had been holes). But I was wrong and gonzaw had simply played more suboptimally than I expected. On July 09 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:
The prplhz cop claim
I really still can't quite get over this. prplhz said "you guys forced me to claim cop".
Out of 12 players, only 3 players actually placed a vote on prplhz (me, Zeph, VE). Many others actually defended him. It feels very wrong that someone would claim cop with 3 votes maximum on them. I want ALL of town's thoughts on this please. Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow.
Maybe I misunderstood this part but if you are upset that I didn't include you in the list it's because I'm making said jab at you. Unnecessarily personal? Sorry if it was. But I'm clearly biased against VE so when you use town-flipped VE's info at me I can't really say "why would you value what he has said this game" because it turns into a discussion of how well did VE play which we can't do objectively, nor does it lead to catching scum.
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On July 13 2012 01:04 MrZentor wrote:This is for Zeph, because he can't be bothered to read my responses to his questions. + Show Spoiler +It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision. Don't worry, now I know you're the scum and Sloosh is innocent.
Yea high five for catching logical errors where scum pigeonhole the lynch into a pool so that if one flips town they lynch the other!
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You were making a jab at me for not doubting prplhz's claim, when I clearly had on several occasions
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On July 13 2012 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
Not all posts push an agenda, slOosh. You keep asking "how does this push a scum agenda". Well, freaking out at the end of day 2 and getting me to lynch a powerful townie, that's a pretty scummy agenda (again, others were expressing doubts, but you refused to even entertain the notion he was town).
You've played/obsed enough games with VE in. What he did in this game was nothing compared to the spam/crap/whatever he can put into a thread. I don't believe your massive overreaction to it was genuine.
Again, I will take the time later to read your cases.
That's fine - I can't really blame you if my emotions seem artificial to you, nor can I argue you to see that they were. I considered during the day that he could be town - I tried to engage in dialogue with him starting hereish. Sure I've Obsed a bunch, but I never really understood what it meant until I've actually experienced it.
On July 13 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
You were making a jab at me for not doubting prplhz's claim, when I clearly had on several occasions
I was making a jab at you because you were using VE's death will against me, and from my perspective I know it's wrong. Once again, apologies - its frustration leaking through.
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I was using VE's post because he said what I wanted to say on the matter as well as I could.
I went back and re-read from where you linked. 5 posts VE made there, none which were particularly awful. Like, I couldn't remember the episode without looking because it was so unremarkable. To use that as an excuse for giving up on seeing him as town is... well, scummy.
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Well, I await your final response on my cases. By this point it seems they are the only thing objective enough to sway you.
I'll also take this opportunity once again to point out another ~18 hours that prplhz has done nothing.
##Vote: prplhz
Hey Zentor let's kill this guy.
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slOosh, why would scum use their delay last night?
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you already answered that. nvm. Despite my silence and posting of things on other threads I'm trying to organise my thoughts on this game.
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The silence of people like prplhz/Danger/Bluelightz is really pissing me off.
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Yo
I already talked about my suspicions of slOosh because he made a very logical mistake, he assumed that I was very serious about marvellosity being scum when it was two pages into the game and I hadn't presented a single argument. He used this to attack me for a comment on VisceraEyes/marvellosity (the "not again.......") when it was pretty obvious that that wasn't very serious either, they weren't doing anything even remotely resembling what happened in MSM. It seemed to me like he was purposely misinterpreting me just so he would have a dumb but original argument for voting me which seemed scummy to me.
His first case also stood out to me. It all starts out with "I've been trying to scum hunt in a new way and I don't really know if I'm doing it right" which sounded odd, why would you want people to think of your analysis as experimental and inaccurate? Why are you even making this case if you think you can do better scum hunting in another way? It's cool that you want to try something new out but forcing it into the thread when it is sub par makes no sense. The case itself was also weird, he is accusing Sinensis of being really stubborn in his defense of me and being antagonistic. This stood out for me because those things are actually slightly townie tells if you don't know anything about Sinensis (that that's actually the way he plays in which case it's more like null). The whole case also stands out to me as a "token contribution", even though he says that he knows he needs to stand by his reads he doesn't actually push the Sinensis lynch, the rest of the day is spent talking about who else people want to lynch until he switches to drwiggl3s.
This post also bothered me 'cause he is just attacking my case with a very generic argument "You just don't think he is playing townie enough". I don't think that was what I did but even if it was, that's a pretty good argument too! People need to play their townie game or else you should get suspicious of them which is why I got suspicious of slOosh in the first place (because he was misinterpreting me and trying to lynch me on it).
This post contained the very silly "If you take away the MrZentor tag", but you don't! He made those posts, you have to judge him by that! You can't just take stuff away and leave the rest in that makes absolutely no sense in mafia. zentor is one of those people, if he played dota2 he would pick furion and not participate in team fights or ganks and just jungle the entire game until his team lost and you can't just ignore that, especially when he actually has a pretty clearly defined meta. You can't just take away parts of the game and then leave the rest in, you cannot take away anything. He is blatantly ignoring a simple fact so he has an argument to lynch someone who isn't acting particularly scummy.
slOosh's big case on me:
On July 11 2012 13:40 slOosh wrote:
Case on prplhz
Scum attributes: apathy, subtle accusations
Point 1: The cop claim
prplhz goofs around D1 and ends up claiming cop:
Admits that he knows that I was pretty much goofing around, yet he is taking it very seriously.
As discussed prior, his claim is really off. Why would he do it? You can trust town motivated marv and NSH who both expressed concern about the claim. The thing that most surprised me was how he claimed cop. He snuck it into a giant wall of text as a little aside, one that I actually missed till marv freaked out about it:
That's because it is factually irrelevant. I wrote that in the post, it doesn't matter. I knew though, that it would likely be a bigger deal to other people so I wrote it because I wanted to give people all the information they needed to make a decision. You yourself acknowledge that it doesn't mean a thing so why are you bothered that I don't consider it a big deal either? And why aren't you reading the big defense of the guy that you are voting for, you skipped that post or the cop part would jump out at you for being... a cop claim!Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 22:45 prplhz wrote:Yea it's pretty hard to summon the energy for anything when five of the biggest town voices in this game are on your back for a couple of one liners. I can't really explain them away with huge town motivation 'cause there weren't much, I was in a bad mood so I did a trolly early game to cheer myself up and then this happened. I can't see another feasible lynch today other than Dangeresque77 and I don' really see him as scum and day1 is often a crap shoot so why not shoot me for being crap. VisceraEyes himself starts the game out with a dumb vote just to get things started. Dumb shit happens in the first few pages all the time. He should really know this because he did it himself but he doesn't. He also seems the the most "bandwagonny" of the people on me, he doesn't contribute with new arguments and it doesn't seem like he understands the case on me at all even though he talks a lot. He called out for me several times and then when I appear he doesn't actually have anything for me. That seems like he is pretty happy with the lynch and he just wants to look good when it's over. Stuff like: On July 07 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't appeal to authority marvel, come on.
Zentor, Sinensis has all of ONE post guy...by virtue of post-count ALONE, prplhz has had more of a chance to prove his towniness than Sinensis has.
So because I have five posts of one line, I should be a lot more townie than a guy with one post of four lines? What is this argument? I still don't get why he says that NoSmurfHere is wherebugsgo when he saw the *yawn* thing too and that looks really Aceish. On the other hand it seems like Ace is one of wherebugsgo's favorite players on this forum and maybe he unconsciously adopted some of his mannerisms. I would really rather wait until everybody's been around and talked this through but I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around tonight. I think this lynch is going to be pretty bad 'cause it was a bandwagon off of 5 lines and there's not a lot to get from it when I flip so I'm just going to go ahead and claim cop. Not that it matters for the lynch or anything but maybe some of you want to take it into your considerations.Sorry for sucking so much. Some days are better than others and sometimes you have a shitty day1 and then you get lynched. I haven't been lynched on day1 since forever (actually, I don't think I've ever been lynched on day1, a night1 shot is the best I can do I think) because people know that I always put in some effort. I have like 100 games and no activity modkills. He just outted himself as cop and rendered his blue power useless. Not only that, but the "not that it matters" just shows apathy to town. It is unreasonable to treat a power role so flippantly and claiming so casually, as it makes it so much easier for mafia to deal with it. Apathy.
Point 2: Subtle accusations against me
Multiple times does prplhz say that I did something suspicious, but never has he actually considered me as scum (build a case, engage in conversation with me, discuss me with anyone else).
I never wanted to lynch you. I don't write cases on people I don't want to lynch, I mostly leave people alone and observe. I don't like pressuring people 'cause I think that makes them harder to read.Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 18:11 prplhz wrote:
I don't get how slOosh can actually think that I was sure that marvellosity was scum. He even expresses doubt at this himself but then he just ignores that. First of all it was like two pages into the game. Who the hell has a clear read then? When did anybody ever post something that wasn't gauging reactions in the first pages of a game? Second, if I was sure that he was scum then it would be because there were some really good arguments and then I would have told you guys. Instead slOosh is using this to call me scum when he should really know better.
I didn't do anything? Well that's right, I wasn't here. Yesterday was pretty crappy for me which also contributed to my thread presence. I saw that I got a PM and then I thought "cool, I know how to start this game, I'll do setup speculation" but first I voted slOosh because I thought it was funny that our filters would be identical (single vote, no explanation) but his would be scummy and mine wouldn't (his had no reason and mine has the clear reason that his didn't) and I like to try to cheer myself up when I am in a bad mood. I was kind of trying to cheer myself up. Then I went to setup page and saw that this was a semi-open setup and I had thought it was an open setup (I thought it was Radfield's setup from Newbie Mini Mafia XX) and I don't really know why but that just put me in a crappier mood (not that I prefer open setups to semi-open setups, just that I couldn't do setup speculation like I had planned to). Then I just voted marvellosity to gauge his reaction and to argue with someone ('cause I like a good argument and I was trying to cheer myself up) but he didn't react spontaneously like I had wanted him to (like the "lol, ok" in MSM). Then marvellosity and VisceraEyes had a couple of thoughtful posts in no way similar to what they did in MSM and I posted "not this again........" as a joke, again, to cheer myself up. Then people posted full cases on me but I didn't really feel like responding to any of it (and I don't think that I really can) because I was in a bad mood and then I just pointed out that Dangeresque77 was being way more scummy than I was and I left the thread.
I'm going to be back in a few hours but I'm not going to be around for deadline. This is his post when he is defending and explaining himself. What I've quoted is only part of the full post. In his "defense" post, he spends more time subtly accusing me rather than actually explaining himself. You can clearly see he has some problems with my play. What does he do with it? Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 20:35 prplhz wrote:I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here: On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote:
Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody). Another instance in which he subtly accuses me. He clearly has a problem with what I said, and insinuates that I'm illogical in the post. Yet he never pursues a lynch on me. Calls me suspicious but never treats me as scum. I'll quote myself here - addressing his third subtle accusation post.Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote:
Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. Again he points out things he finds suspicious with me, but never moves to discuss it or get a better read. This is apathy - town care about lynching scum. He clearly has had several issues with me thus far, but he never does anything with it. Furthermore, there is inherent contradiction as two times (posts that come between the accusations) does he say I look townish. Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I like slOosh a better though after seeing rereading his filter.
Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 22:46 prplhz wrote:
I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then. This is extreme hedging. Calls me townish, points out suspicious things in me. Calls me townish, points out something suspicious. Allows him to play to town sentiment - he doesn't want to draw attention to himself by pushing me, but wants an avenue in which he is able to cast suspicion and doubt on me, and eventually set up the mislynch.
Point 3: More apathy, origin of VE case. This is related to my MrZentor scum read. So far what has prplhz accomplished this game? He claimed cop D1 because of weird play on his own part. D2 he calls VE scummy. If you reread how D2 unfolds (you should since we mislynched), how does it play out? He posts a case on VE and checks out. He comes back to defend himself a bit, and then as a MrZentor lynch starts up, he comes in with Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 05:43 prplhz wrote:
Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave. A couple of posts later he gets the lynch back onto VE and checks out again. He started the lynch, but seems to have desire to discuss, or push his thoughts. Reminds me of what Mattchew did in Movie Mini. Starts it but has no involvement in it - only involvement is to redirect away from MrZentor lynch. I've addressed how he does it is also suspicious (he is hesitant but also confident in the same post that he calls zentor town, which betrays a pushing of agenda and mismatch in action and words).
Conclusion: prplhz doesn't care about pursuing reads (the only one he had is the one on VE) but only in throwing subtle accusations at me, he isn't transparent (hasn't given a single opinion or mention of half the player list), only thing he does is redirect the D2 lynch from MrZentor to VE, frivolous cop claim.
Library closing, so this will be it until tomorrow unless I decide to stay up late.
Conclusion: slOosh is going to get lynched today because he is scum and he is either stretching the truth or straight up lying while not wanting to actually get involved in anything this game. slOosh usually looks so very townie just because of the coherent and easily understandable and correct thought process but this game he looks really off.
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