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On July 12 2012 08:10 s0Lstice wrote:
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
from the OP..
Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
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Did I miss something?
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On July 12 2012 08:08 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
@gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power. Jailkeeper can do as they please as long as the threat is out there it's fine. There's only one case I can think of off the top of my head where it's good for jailkeeper to protect (scum RB fake claims town RB, jailkeeper doesn't protect him, someone else claims RB'd, the scum RB claims he withheld his power, WIFOM) but that seems rather unlikely to occur. If we try to create scenarios WIFOM-proof we'll waste lots of resources and time, and most of the time it's not even that useful (protecting a claimed Town RBer isn't a "game-breaking plan for town to win", yet it takes away the JK's ability to save someone at night). So yeah let's keep it simple....at least until we find a better plan 
Also, cool this game has PMs/Chat/stuff. If someone has Skype contact me, I'm gonzaw308Or use the mafia chat thingy
PMs are NOT allowed.
I repeat, NOT ALLOWED.
Edit, for clarification:
Out of thread communication: It is common for mafia (and town circles if PMs are allowed) to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
This clause has been used in every game since PYP:I because of an IRC infiltration. It has nothing to do with PMs being used.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game.
This is the relevant PM clause in the OP.
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On July 12 2012 08:14 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:08 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
@gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power. Jailkeeper can do as they please as long as the threat is out there it's fine. There's only one case I can think of off the top of my head where it's good for jailkeeper to protect (scum RB fake claims town RB, jailkeeper doesn't protect him, someone else claims RB'd, the scum RB claims he withheld his power, WIFOM) but that seems rather unlikely to occur. If we try to create scenarios WIFOM-proof we'll waste lots of resources and time, and most of the time it's not even that useful (protecting a claimed Town RBer isn't a "game-breaking plan for town to win", yet it takes away the JK's ability to save someone at night). So yeah let's keep it simple....at least until we find a better plan
Also, cool this game has PMs/Chat/stuff. If someone has Skype contact me, I'm gonzaw308Or use the mafia chat thingy PMs are NOT allowed.
I repeat, NOT ALLOWED.
Are IRC, Chats and stuff allowed instead?
lol that OP is pretty confusing
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On July 12 2012 08:15 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:14 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 12 2012 08:08 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
@gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power. Jailkeeper can do as they please as long as the threat is out there it's fine. There's only one case I can think of off the top of my head where it's good for jailkeeper to protect (scum RB fake claims town RB, jailkeeper doesn't protect him, someone else claims RB'd, the scum RB claims he withheld his power, WIFOM) but that seems rather unlikely to occur. If we try to create scenarios WIFOM-proof we'll waste lots of resources and time, and most of the time it's not even that useful (protecting a claimed Town RBer isn't a "game-breaking plan for town to win", yet it takes away the JK's ability to save someone at night). So yeah let's keep it simple....at least until we find a better plan
Also, cool this game has PMs/Chat/stuff. If someone has Skype contact me, I'm gonzaw308Or use the mafia chat thingy PMs are NOT allowed.
I repeat, NOT ALLOWED. Are IRC, Chats and stuff allowed instead?lol that OP is pretty confusing
Only if I have given you a QT link.
The OP is not confusing, it's the same clause from every OP as every game since PYP:I from October.
Check the model OP thread if you don't believe me.
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sciberbia- welcome to the thread! tell me something about keirathi, since you've played with him briefly. did you find it easy to read him as town?
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sciberbia wrote:
I'm not a big fan of lynching lurkers. Obviously, lurking hurts town, but I don't think lurking is all that alignment-indicative. Seeing as our goal is to lynch scum, I will only give slight preference to lynching the lurker over the active player, everything else being even.
I'm not convinced that masons, millers, or roleblockers should claim, but I've never played in a setup quite like this before and I haven't thought much about it. I'll read up on the issue and see if I agree with you guys.
Well, ideally since this is not a newbie game, we shouldn't have townies lurking much. Its a bit different in newbie games because people don't really know how to play, and since everyone here should have a decent idea of how to play, then people lurking is strategy rather than ignorance.
That's not to say that I think lynching lurkers is a particularly good idea, but looking into lurkers has more merit in this type of game than a newbie one.
As far as claims, I myself haven't played in a game where masons/roleblockers claimed, so I'll have to look into it, but I agree with the points made about RB'ers so far, so that at least makes sense. An unclaimed miller causes more confusion than its worth though, and I can't really think of a situation in which a miller wouldn't want to claim.
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On July 12 2012 08:17 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:15 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 08:14 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 12 2012 08:08 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
@gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power. Jailkeeper can do as they please as long as the threat is out there it's fine. There's only one case I can think of off the top of my head where it's good for jailkeeper to protect (scum RB fake claims town RB, jailkeeper doesn't protect him, someone else claims RB'd, the scum RB claims he withheld his power, WIFOM) but that seems rather unlikely to occur. If we try to create scenarios WIFOM-proof we'll waste lots of resources and time, and most of the time it's not even that useful (protecting a claimed Town RBer isn't a "game-breaking plan for town to win", yet it takes away the JK's ability to save someone at night). So yeah let's keep it simple....at least until we find a better plan
Also, cool this game has PMs/Chat/stuff. If someone has Skype contact me, I'm gonzaw308Or use the mafia chat thingy PMs are NOT allowed.
I repeat, NOT ALLOWED. Are IRC, Chats and stuff allowed instead?lol that OP is pretty confusing Only if I have given you a QT link.
The OP is not confusing, it's the same clause from every OP as every game since PYP:I from October.
Check the model OP thread if you don't believe me.
I swear to God that I've seen some games that put "Out of thread communication is not allowed" in that part of the OP, and the ones that did put that "Use these media at your own risk" part where the ones that allowed out of thread communication.
...although now that I read the past few games I see they are all the same...huh, I guess I never noticed it and assumed it was the former
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good lesson in reading comprehension, I suppose.
Forgot to mention: observers may PM me for the obs qt.
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Brief pit stop.
Millers claim
roleblockers do not (katina prevented SK KP in... Emergency? but had the misfortunte to be targeted down as scum. if for some reason she'd been left alive she could've repeated the act)
gonzaw you're an ass <3
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EBWOP: targeted down BY scum
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mmm safe to say RB regardless of claiming should NOT use their power unless it makes sense (lategame, etc). I still don't see the harm in claiming given the threat of protection.
hell if we have millers, masons, and a rber in public this game shouldn't be that hard. Course if we had all those we probably wouldn't have doctors or medics so ups and downs I suppose.
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On July 12 2012 08:45 talismania wrote:
mmm safe to say RB regardless of claiming should NOT use their power unless it makes sense (lategame, etc). I still don't see the harm in claiming given the threat of protection.
hell if we have millers, masons, and a rber in public this game shouldn't be that hard. Course if we had all those we probably wouldn't have doctors or medics so ups and downs I suppose.
We don't have doctors anyways.
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pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).
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On July 12 2012 08:49 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:45 talismania wrote:
mmm safe to say RB regardless of claiming should NOT use their power unless it makes sense (lategame, etc). I still don't see the harm in claiming given the threat of protection.
hell if we have millers, masons, and a rber in public this game shouldn't be that hard. Course if we had all those we probably wouldn't have doctors or medics so ups and downs I suppose. We don't have doctors anyways.
jailkeepers, same difference.
That makes me realize though that my point earlier about figuring out the scum team's size/comp wasn't correct. If a town RB is in public doesn't use his power, but someone else claimed RB'd, it could simply be because they were protected by a jailkeeper, not that there is a scum RB.
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On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:
since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).
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So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys:
On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens......
On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated
On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.
no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me.
You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later).
marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so).
Also this guy could die too:
On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.
I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls.
But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling)
Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.
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naw, I'm not killing anyone based on one post right at the beginning of the game (especially as pregame was quite active/friendly, it spilled over)
I'd rather lynch talis for his never-ending bullshit on listing names and reasons.
Seriously, 24 hours into day 1 and we're supposed to come up with reasons on 3 different people for why they might be scum? It's just nonsense.
Or... wait for it... I have an idea! If someone says something a person finds scummy, they can call them out and bring it to the thread! Wow, marv, you say - an amazing plan!
People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people.
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On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys: Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens...... Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.
no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me. You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later). marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so). Also this guy could die too: Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.
I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls. But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling) Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
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On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys: On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens...... On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.
no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me. You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later). marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so). Also this guy could die too: On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.
I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls. But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling) Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it. Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?)
Any particular reason you just instantly come out out of nowhere once your name was called out? (did you just admit you were lurking?)
But yeah, I saw the thread was pretty slow and wanted to spice things up, and I think you 3 guys are the most likely to be scum at the moment (I find solstice+sciberbia+Vivax+talis+keirathi pretty town at the moment, leaving you guys+the inactives)
On July 12 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
naw, I'm not killing anyone based on one post right at the beginning of the game (especially as pregame was quite active/friendly, it spilled over)
I'd rather lynch talis for his never-ending bullshit on listing names and reasons.
That plan of his is similar to his "utter stupid" plan he made as scum (the one where he wanted to force everybody to make a case and shit), but not that much to be honest.
But I don't see him as scummy at the moment, he seemed pretty interested in the discussion and made sense with his posts (also it makes me think he wouldn't go through the trouble of making that giant spreadsheet with the post of his past games if he was scum)
Seriously, 24 hours into day 1 and we're supposed to come up with reasons on 3 different people for why they might be scum? It's just nonsense.
Why the aggressiveness? I'm trying to provide some discussion.
Why is it nonsense to.....you know...try to find scum?
Or... wait for it... I have an idea! If someone says something a person finds scummy, they can call them out and bring it to the thread! Wow, marv, you say - an amazing plan!
Or we can wait for nothing at all to happen, which is basically what happens every single game I'm in where I stop posting and "wait for people to post on their own" (yeah it happens every single time, at least when I'm town).
People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people.
Posting single thoughts on those 3 guys isn't making an effort I think, nor is saying "Yeah I'd kill them" or "No I wouldn't kill them" (specially considering they only have 1 post).
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maybe I misread, but I'm pretty sure Marv was addressing Talis with those lines you quoted, gonzaw.
As far as the names you listed, I wouldn't want to kill any of them right now. Austin has easy town meta, I feel confident I can recognize it. Mattchew, Risen, and s&b are just blank pages. I am nervous however of Risen making a conscious effort to change his play-style. I read him right in SSB64 but just barely.
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