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On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?)
In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/
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On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/
It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though.
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On July 12 2012 10:15 s0Lstice wrote:
maybe I misread, but I'm pretty sure Marv was addressing Talis with those lines you quoted, gonzaw.
As far as the names you listed, I wouldn't want to kill any of them right now. Austin has easy town meta, I feel confident I can recognize it. Mattchew, Risen, and s&b are just blank pages. I am nervous however of Risen making a conscious effort to change his play-style. I read him right in SSB64 but just barely.
I'm down to call people out on their stupidity, I'm just not going to be so aggressive about it. So just take anywhere I'd call someone an idiot, a horrible host, a bad person, a failure at life, etc and replace it with kinder, gentler words. I think...
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EBWOP: This shift isn't to appease anyone. I'm only doing it b/c past experience has shown that calling out idiots on their horrible play leads to them being reinforced in their opinions. So now I'll try to be gentle, kind Risen and guide them like sheeple.
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On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/ It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though.
He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't.
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Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit
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On July 12 2012 10:15 s0Lstice wrote:
maybe I misread, but I'm pretty sure Marv was addressing Talis with those lines you quoted, gonzaw.
As far as the names you listed, I wouldn't want to kill any of them right now. Austin has easy town meta, I feel confident I can recognize it. Mattchew, Risen, and s&b are just blank pages. I am nervous however of Risen making a conscious effort to change his play-style. I read him right in SSB64 but just barely.
Really? I thought he was talking about me (since I did post 3 people and wanted people to post some reasoning on them)
On July 12 2012 10:44 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/ It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't.
Exactly...
....ehmm...you were one of those guys >_>
Well....okay I don't know what else to say? I found you guys suspicious because of that, so unless someone thinks Vivax+solstice+sciberbia+talis+keirtaht could be scum one of you HAS to be scum basically (even based on numbers alone)
Does anybody think one of those guys above I mentioned could be scum? (I'd post why I think they are town but only if there are suspicions on them).
Well...maybe I'm going too fast though :/
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it's not too fast. day 1 is weird, and it only really gets going when people do what you do.
right now I'd want to hear from Vivax, mainly.
my dear Vivax, what do you think of the people gonzaw posted about? do you find it scummy that they appeared excited to post, yet didn't say much past their intro?
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Keirathi, assuming you are still around...
why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?
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Gonzaw's start to like every game
![[image loading]](http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/493583_o.gif)
But I love his effort, just hate reading EVERYTHING he posts.
Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me
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Getting killed on N1 every game does that to you. I just want to find the whole scumteam on D1 and lynch them all >_>
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On July 12 2012 08:17 s0Lstice wrote:
sciberbia- welcome to the thread! tell me something about keirathi, since you've played with him briefly. did you find it easy to read him as town?
@s0Lstice
Keirathi did a really good job making me believe he was town. I was quite biased against him because he replaced my #1 suspect. But he changed my opinion through high-quality & high-quantity scumhunting, confidence, and willingness to challenge other active posters for thread control. If he is town, I expect to get a town-read from him and I expect he'll be quite an asset.
I've done a little more thinking about millers/masons/roleblockers and I want to give my opinion. But I don't want this stuff to get in the way of scumhunting so this will probably be the last I say on the subject
millers+ Show Spoiler +
I think millers should claim right now. If somebody tries to claim miller after there is a guilty on them, I will be especially suspicious of them for not having claimed earlier.
masons+ Show Spoiler +
I don't think it makes a big difference when masons choose to claim. It's situational, but masons should at the very least breadcrumb their role and mason partner
town roleblocker+ Show Spoiler +
I don't see why town roleblocker should claim, but it wouldn't be the biggest deal if he did. I agree that roleblocker shouldn't RB unclaimed players without good reason.
But I think RB'ing a claimed VT/miller/mason is unlikely to do any harm and can quite possibly do some good if the claim is fake.
I'll now be turning my attention towards scumhunting.
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On July 12 2012 11:16 gonzaw wrote:
Getting killed on N1 every game does that to you. I just want to find the whole scumteam on D1 and lynch them all >_>
I've heard worse plans 
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On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:
Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me
That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful.
What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning.
Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw?
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On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Keirathi, assuming you are still around...
why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?
Sorry was getting dinner.
I was verbose because I have some shared experience with sciberbia, whom I was replying to. I know that most (all?) of his TL mafia experience was in newbie games, and the dynamic is just different when you can assume that people know how to play the game.
As far as talismania's plan, I feel like it makes it too easy for mafia to blend in. The more townies you have making arguments against other townies, the easier you can push mislynches and not have to take any blame for them. There are other things wrong with it, but Mattchew and austin beat me to it. No need rehashing what they said.
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Holy shit I used a smiley face...
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On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:
marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so).
gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far:
risen+ Show Spoiler +I am a bit suspicious of risen1)s0Lstice mentioned risen's conscious change in meta, which could make a lot of sense for someone playing as scum. It's a perfect defense to any meta arguments made against him: he can say he is actively trying to change the way he plays town. 2)Risen's overall tone is amiable and pleasant, which can be indicative of scum trying to be well-liked. I expect a more firm, objective, analytic tone from townies. See these posts: On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens...... On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:
It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. On July 12 2012 10:41 Risen wrote:
I'm down to call people out on their stupidity, I'm just not going to be so aggressive about it. So just take anywhere I'd call someone an idiot, a horrible host, a bad person, a failure at life, etc and replace it with kinder, gentler words. I think... On July 12 2012 10:42 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: This shift isn't to appease anyone. I'm only doing it b/c past experience has shown that calling out idiots on their horrible play leads to them being reinforced in their opinions. So now I'll try to be gentle, kind Risen and guide them like sheeple. On July 12 2012 11:26 Risen wrote:I've heard worse plans On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit I used a smiley face... Of course it is also plausible that risen is townie and just trying to have some fun. 3) For me, the most suspicious thing in Risen's filter is his address @gonzaw: On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. As gonzaw pointed out, this is some shoddy scumhunting. First of all, "looking for easy targets to push early" isn't very convincing mafia motivation for gonzaw's posts. But more importantly, Risen is condescending towards gonzaw but then concludes that gonzaw is either eager townie or scum. Risen doesn't actually say anything worthwhile at all in this post. One townie point in Risen's filter: On July 12 2012 10:41 Risen wrote:
I'm down to call people out on their stupidity, I'm just not going to be so aggressive about it. So just take anywhere I'd call someone an idiot, a horrible host, a bad person, a failure at life, etc and replace it with kinder, gentler words. I think... On July 12 2012 10:42 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: This shift isn't to appease anyone. I'm only doing it b/c past experience has shown that calling out idiots on their horrible play leads to them being reinforced in their opinions. So now I'll try to be gentle, kind Risen and guide them like sheeple. His 1-minute EBWOP shows that he is unafraid and didn't put all too much thought into either of these posts. I see this as indicative of a townie. There are all my thoughts on Risen. I'm keeping my eye on him.
strongandbig+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated I'm not going to find him scummy off this one post. If anything, I think he is townie because I think a scum strongandbig would be more likely to pause his movie and go make a decent post or two than a townie strongandbig who isn't as worried.
Mattchew+ Show Spoiler +
I don't have a significant read on anything in his filter right now. His first post doesn't strike me as scummy.
Also, I am a little bit suspicious of marv+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
naw, I'm not killing anyone based on one post right at the beginning of the game (especially as pregame was quite active/friendly, it spilled over)
I'd rather lynch talis for his never-ending bullshit on listing names and reasons.
Seriously, 24 hours into day 1 and we're supposed to come up with reasons on 3 different people for why they might be scum? It's just nonsense.
Or... wait for it... I have an idea! If someone says something a person finds scummy, they can call them out and bring it to the thread! Wow, marv, you say - an amazing plan!
People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people. Talis proposed a slightly idealistic, impractical, and unnecessary plan. I think this was clear to everybody. But Marv not only takes the time to criticize talis's ideas, but also says that he'd like to lynch talis. A good, townie marv should say something like "Talis proposed a 'nonsense' plan. I think this is evidence that he is mafia because X, Y, and Z. Therefore I would like to lynch him." But marv doesn't say why he thinks talis is scummy. In fact marv doesn't even say that talis is scummy, just that he would like to lynch talis for his "never-ending bullshit". @marv Do you really think talis is scummy? If so, why?
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A couple minor things:
On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:
Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.
I just want to mention that miltonkram said he'd be busy so wait before you go branding him as quiet/lurky.
On July 10 2012 17:31 Miltonkram wrote:
Eh, screw it. I'll /in this game if people don't mind me being a little inactive for the first 12-24 hours. The players in this game look too good to pass up.
SK has a 50% probability of inclusion in setup? As per a C9++?
What numbers of mafs are there potentially? iirc 2 or 3 are only possible mafia counts in C9++ and 3 is more likely. Is it the same here?
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On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:A couple minor things:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:
Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it. I just want to mention that miltonkram said he'd be busy so wait before you go branding him as quiet/lurky. Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:31 Miltonkram wrote:
Eh, screw it. I'll /in this game if people don't mind me being a little inactive for the first 12-24 hours. The players in this game look too good to pass up. SK has a 50% probability of inclusion in setup? As per a C9++?
Yes.
What numbers of mafs are there potentially? iirc 2 or 3 are only possible mafia counts in C9++ and 3 is more likely. Is it the same here?
Yes.
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Hello everyone.
I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power.
With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!
One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear.
This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said.
Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it.
On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit I used a smiley face...
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