Lately, there is talk of Zerg being OP.
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TLPD Winrates May 2012
I can give you TvZ from the GSL up and downs, the GSL qualifiers, and the GSTL if that helps?
There have been 112 games total played, Zerg have won 83 of them while Terran have won 29, giving Zergs about a 74% win rate. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343147
I can give you TvZ from the GSL up and downs, the GSL qualifiers, and the GSTL if that helps?
There have been 112 games total played, Zerg have won 83 of them while Terran have won 29, giving Zergs about a 74% win rate. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343147
MMA interview
Q: The balance talks of Starcraft 2 is hot these days, as a TvZ master, what do you think about Terran nowadays and the TvZ/P matchup?
A: (laughs) Do you want "official talks" or real stuff? (Interviewer: anything you want.) Then I have to say the latest changes are really balance breaking.
Q: So from a Terran perspective, what Terran changes are you expecting?
A: Nah Zerg is really being buffed a lot, I don't really expect a Terran buff, just don't nerf us too much (laughs). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345917
Q: The balance talks of Starcraft 2 is hot these days, as a TvZ master, what do you think about Terran nowadays and the TvZ/P matchup?
A: (laughs) Do you want "official talks" or real stuff? (Interviewer: anything you want.) Then I have to say the latest changes are really balance breaking.
Q: So from a Terran perspective, what Terran changes are you expecting?
A: Nah Zerg is really being buffed a lot, I don't really expect a Terran buff, just don't nerf us too much (laughs). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345917
There’s a reason I aimed only for third place. Lately, my win rate for TvZ and TvP are only at 30% or so. The only reason a Zerg or Protoss loses in a broadcasted match is because they don’t play their best.
-IMMvP
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344906
-IMMvP
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344906
The current problem and solution
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1. The new queen range makes zerg very safe again any early terran pressure. It allows greedy play for the zerg and macro/drones advantage.
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Terran should make more allin again the zerg ! Zerg players are too overconfident about early game and If more terrans start playing allin strategy then the zergs will have to play less greedy.
Blizzard thinks terran allins are too good so they buff queens. You advise to all in more... metagame ownage :D
other exemple of allin/ way to punish greedy zerg, 4rax+1factoryhellion : http://drop.sc/200724 (with my allin, I win 90% of my tvz because all the zerg make only drone and queen) (In this game at 8min the zerg has 5 queens, 4zerglings, 43 drones and 3 bases, seriouly if you don't allin this you are already behind)(master level)
Blizzard thinks terran allins are too good so they buff queens. You advise to all in more... metagame ownage :D
other exemple of allin/ way to punish greedy zerg, 4rax+1factoryhellion : http://drop.sc/200724 (with my allin, I win 90% of my tvz because all the zerg make only drone and queen) (In this game at 8min the zerg has 5 queens, 4zerglings, 43 drones and 3 bases, seriouly if you don't allin this you are already behind)(master level)
2. Zerg can build a ton of queen, still be safe, and spread creep like mad. Zerg gain vision, speed, and block the 4 of the terran.
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In the midgame more terrans should make one raven.
Also, if you have a techlab on your starport you can have a banshee. 1 banshee+1raven can be very good for removing the creep and with PDD you are protected from the queens.
It is possible to get a fast banshee and/or fast raven using variations on ForGG's build or MMA's Hellion/Banshee opening.
The raven is a huge investment??
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Also, if you have a techlab on your starport you can have a banshee. 1 banshee+1raven can be very good for removing the creep and with PDD you are protected from the queens.
It is possible to get a fast banshee and/or fast raven using variations on ForGG's build or MMA's Hellion/Banshee opening.
The raven is a huge investment??
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Its not like one single raven (you dont have to suicide it) will delay your tech more than banshee + cloak when you only use one. And its not half of a coinflip to make good use of the raven. Also the raven saves up "anti-creep scans" making more room for mules and thus MINERAL income
3. With the overlord speed, its more easy for the zerg to see what is coming (like drop and push) and keep his overlords alive from the marines.
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Build 1 viking and remove all the overlords hiding on high ground.
Other solutions ?
I'll update this section when people got new ideas
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-Ghosts do 50 damage to queens now (snipe change) so maybe someone can come up with an early to midgame ghost push to repel creep and lower queen numbers.
-Just make more and more medivacs so that your marines and marauders are very cost efficient. Like 12 or 14 medivacs.
-MMM all the way
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http://blip.tv/day9tv/bomber-t-vs-ostojiy-z-g1-red-bull-battlegrounds-austin-group-c-day-1-6173789
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344554
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344554
-In my opinion, most players can't because they're going for 3 OCs which is kinda like the in between between greed and safe play. It dies to a lot of stuff but it doesn't let you outmacro Zerg greed.
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-QxC bunker, creep contain, http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/Starcraft-II/1516/The-QXC-Bunker-A-New-Way-to-Contain-Creep-in-TvZ/
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-fast three base with hellion banshee pressure
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251694¤tpage=274#5463
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347238
-lategame BC(YAMATO)+raven (HSM)+ghost transition(EMP) , with nuke harass.
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http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIyMTI2NTI4.html
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67576/?set=6&lang=
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gstls2/vod/67576/?set=6&lang=
-MECH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308972
-fast third, banshee harass and ultra fast BC (around 12-14min)
-6 rax allin
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6rax all in is a good way to abuse greedy zerg players if you just proxy the 5 raxes. If he scouts with a drone (which is rare these days), you can fake 1 gas to make him think you're going hellions (most zergs defend hellions with only queens so they won't get any speedlings) or you can either fake 2 gas but that's a bit more obvious and some zergs react to 2port banshee by doing a timing push with roaches and that's not what you want. You want to arrive at his base with 20'ish marines and a few scv's at 7:00 and find 4 queens + 1 spine and a shit ton of drones. Zergs play so greedy these days that they think they can deny any all in with just 4+ queens.
-Attitude Terran needs now:
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OK, this new game called Starcraft 2 just came out on May 10th 2012.
This is a game on Super Nintendo.
Hence, there is no patch, no balance change, no nothing in future.
Let's play this game, and demolish nasty aliens called Zerg and Protoss.
Glad to see OP and some posts go this way.
Another way to look at it:
OK, this game is Blizzard dictatorship.
There is no republican nor democrat to choose from by means of voting.
I have no say.
Play by the rule imposed on me, or I get executed.
This is a game on Super Nintendo.
Hence, there is no patch, no balance change, no nothing in future.
Let's play this game, and demolish nasty aliens called Zerg and Protoss.
Glad to see OP and some posts go this way.
Another way to look at it:
OK, this game is Blizzard dictatorship.
There is no republican nor democrat to choose from by means of voting.
I have no say.
Play by the rule imposed on me, or I get executed.