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On June 12 2012 14:00 Shew wrote: It seems every MLG event I learn a new and really odd rule that is strictly upheld by the tournament, here are the two that I most recently learned (one at Columbus and one at Anaheim):
1.) You can refuse to tell your opponent your race when vetoing maps.
Now, this rule seems fair and unfair. If you're a famous well-known player of X race then it is a disadvantage for you. When it comes to certain match-ups, map selection is crucial. Now I know that most people know the good players and what races they are, but there are always those really strong and unknown players at every event that have the potential to take out some big names (like Scarlett at IPL4). Say a similar player made their debut at MLG, and they could just flat out refuse to tell their opponent their race, leaving a severe disadvantage to the bigger name player across the table. I understand the "mystery" aspect to the Open Bracket where it's (usually) 200+ players and you cannot know every single one. However, I feel that this is just a silly and unnecessary rule.
2.) No replay viewing at all.
After I had just lost my match and was sent into the loser bracket, I wanted to load up the replay and see what I had done wrong. Upon loading up the replay an admin instantly teleported over to me and said "no replay viewing please exit the replay". I was kind of taken back, I explained how I had already lost the best of 3 and was out, yet apparently it did not matter. What's ironic is that I'd walk down the rows of computers and see players watching replays after their defeats all the time. I don't want to jump on the "big namers get privileged" bandwagon but most of the ones I saw were big names, and they were allowed to watch their replays.
I think you should not be able to watch a replay in the middle of a boX, but when you've lost the series and it's over, you should be able to at least watch the replay and see what happened. I can understand if it's for a time-constraint and they need the computer immediately, but that was not the case for my incident at least.
This happened to me at MLG columbus last year with the replays. I wasn't bugged earlier, but I didn't check for a rule agianst it because it's just so ridiculous. Then, later on the the tournament I saw Sjow watching a replay at the mini-stage (which is perfectly fine btw, the rule is pretty stupid) in between games though!!! I thought that's not quite right since it's holding up the next game starting.
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I live fifty minutes from Anaheim. FIFTY! I had to take care of my grandpa this weekend as he decided to suddenly visit my apartment... sad T_T
Wanted to play mafia so bad!!!!
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i like how you wrote " wow this is getting kind of long" like 1/4th of the way through :D <3
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How dare you knock me out tt </3
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Also worth noting: Many of the people complaining about admins/mods had recently been knocked out of the tournament, and probably are already in a horrible mood (I definitely would be).
Not trying to knock on anyone that complained, but a "Hey, we need you to move please." could have sounded more like a "GTFO" in the players ears. Totally understandable, but just saying.
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On June 12 2012 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Anyway after we both thought that rule was a bit weird he gave us the second reason; there wasn't enough space. And that if every player had 1 spectator behind them then it would be too crowded. I can understand this rule. I'm not going to argue against it. I think there should be times its followed strictly (120+ ppl playing) and times it shouldn't be (20 people still in the tournament). Tyler thought up a cool idea of putting a few TV screens outside of the game area so that spectators can watch from there and not take up room. Putting 5 TV's of 5 of the best stations played inside the ropes so that people can watch from afar I think is a pretty amazing idea.
Dreamhack Stockholm a month or so ago did that for the early stages on day 1. They had like 20 TVs set up so you could view FP what was happening to players. Could stand quite far away and see things.
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On June 12 2012 12:53 LuckyFool wrote: for some reason I noticed more people complaining about being kicked out of the "pit" this time more than previous MLG's. Not sure if MLG was cracking down harder this time or if the people getting kicked out were just more vocal about it.
To be honest it always feels like there are too many unnecessary people in that area. It only really gets annoying when you're trying to watch a match being played on the inside stations and 6 people who don't even belong in there are standing around blocking the view. I really wish MLG would have more matches played on the outer rows (so many championship bracket matches not on stream are played in middle rows in the pit which makes it hard to watch the games sometimes) I'm sure MLG avoids using the outer rows too much though because then you have fans/spectators standing 2 feet behind you.
Was really crazy for a couple of the Kespa invitational matches, I was over there when Bisu/Fantasy were playing on regular stations in the pit and there were hundreds of people cramming so close event staff kept having to tell people to back up and push the ropes out a bit.
I don't know if it was changed but in 2011, you could literally have some shitty SC2 blog for a non-gaming website, email MLG, and they would give you a media pass. You could literally sit on the floor in the pit, leave your backpack, shit everywhere and it didnt matter. Even coaches couldn't do this from what I heard.
When I wanted to watch a former teammates last game at 12:30am saturday night with literally under 10-15 in the entire pit, I was getting kicked out. Its so stupid in my opinion.
Its pretty basic stuff though. The big names, EG/ROOT/coL members, can pretty much go where-ever they want anytime. That doesn't bother me as much as the media pass worthless girl-bloggers that are just there for attention....
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was very nice seeing you again buddy <3
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On June 12 2012 12:53 LuckyFool wrote: for some reason I noticed more people complaining about being kicked out of the "pit" this time more than previous MLG's. Not sure if MLG was cracking down harder this time or if the people getting kicked out were just more vocal about it.
To be honest it always feels like there are too many unnecessary people in that area. It only really gets annoying when you're trying to watch a match being played on the inside stations and 6 people who don't even belong in there are standing around blocking the view. I really wish MLG would have more matches played on the outer rows (so many championship bracket matches not on stream are played in middle rows in the pit which makes it hard to watch the games sometimes) I'm sure MLG avoids using the outer rows too much though because then you have fans/spectators standing 2 feet behind you.
Was really crazy for a couple of the Kespa invitational matches, I was over there when Bisu/Fantasy were playing on regular stations in the pit and there were hundreds of people cramming so close event staff kept having to tell people to back up and push the ropes out a bit.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the 'pit' was more crazy than usual due to the double tournament issue which probably caused MLG staff to decide to be more 'strict' on that particular rule so as to make things run smoother.
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Media people should not be allowed in there, it just takes up space. They can still take pictures from outside it.
As far as coaches, they should be allowed to watch over a players shoulder in the pit, then when they have no players playing they should have to leave.
I don't know why its not that simple. I must be completely missing something.
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On June 12 2012 14:52 Nizzy wrote: Media people should not be allowed in there, it just takes up space. They can still take pictures from outside it.
As far as coaches, they should be allowed to watch over a players shoulder in the pit, then when they have no players playing they should have to leave.
I don't know why its not that simple. I must be completely missing something.
Because the media might want to talk to the players to arrange an interview after they are done with a match, or possibly take some action shots (ie. all those sick pictures that Rich was taking).
Coaches might not know what to say in a certain circumstance, as a lot of these players have a better understanding of the game and can give better advice to the players on what to change or look out for. When you have your practice partners, they know really well, and they know what you can do and what to recommend.
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On June 12 2012 13:32 tofucake wrote: You're just happy because he likes you :O
@RedJustice: you were there? You should have gone anyway.
@Sheth fans: He plays mafia you should too then you can chat with him
@Sheth: I should have you sign my face next time. Also sick mafia dodge on Sunday :|
To borrow your format:
@tofucake, RJ said she couldn't afford it, so she wasn't there. Also, fun playing mafia with you!
@Sheth fans: Sheth is incredibly good at Mafia. He pegged me correctly as mafia one game, and correctly as town in the next game, using his super-accurate "test" ("Are you mafia?"). :-)
@Sheth: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Great fun hanging out with you Saturday for lunch and at Mafia! I took some pics and posted them on my blog post: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=343923
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i wounder if MLG was more strict on the player pit area because of the accusation that Leenock was in the pit helping out fellow koreans.
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MLG always seemed like an extremely uncomfortable event to compete in. On the other hand, I can see how it must be a nightmare managing that many people at the venue.
Something should be done to give progamers some breathing space. Nony's idea is pretty cool too.
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Thanks for the blog Sheth
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really awesome. my favorite part about this blog, and you in general Sheth, is that you really gave the benefit of the doubt to the opposing party in every viable situation. a very admirable, selfless, and mildly subtle thing to do.
5/5 ♥
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@tofucake: No I was too poor to buy tickets to Cali and beg for a floor to sleep on.
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Another thing to be aware of is that many players chat via BNet with people in between games. I have no clue how this is moderated or controlled, but it definitely happens. That isn't much different than someone standing next to you, giving tips, advice and helping your relax. It could even be considered worse if the match is broadcasted.
Players should be given a small amount of times to gather themselves, prepare strategy and make sure they can perform at their best. Whether that is a coach that's filling that role or a friend. This is rather subjective, since really depends in what light you want to put these players. If we consider them athletes, in most sports you have timeouts and coaches and trainers and so on so forth. If we count them as chess players, well I don't know how those are handled, but I don't think you can pause mid match to get advice.
Personally, I view them as athletes. That opinion something that I fully understand is extremely subjective.
Side note: how is chat during games moderated? I saw someone message Polt during his stage match (on his POV stream), it was just someone annoying him, no tactical advice, but he set himself to busy as soon as he had a chance. How are messages of advice or tips moderated?
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Thanks for the autograph Sheth .
And wait, what? Us random scrubs can join the famous TL mafia games!? Damn, I missed out XD, I guess next time...
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Living in Australia I'l never get to experience an MLG I am going to South Korea early next year, but so early no tournaments are on...so sad I only get to experience this stuff by stream
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