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we had a plan for a reason...
Everyone agreed that denying CPR and Janitor is better for town than the best blue role could ever be for town. denying CPR is basicly a medic that saves the right person on every night and if you ended up saving 5 people cycle 1 - 5 with a medic but didn't save someone night 6, congratz you're worse than a normal CPR pick as a town medic.
We had more than enough time to talk about this and EVERYBODY agreed. At least nobody disagreed although we told people to speak up if they disagree with the plan and nobody did. We already talked about why changing the plan isn't an option anymore once numbers are out.
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Out of the top 7 candidates (everyone above me fuck yeah!).
I am worried about:
risk.nuke : He has not alot of substance, as well as having reasonless stuff as marv pointed out.
Mattchew : Mattchew as usual........ yelling baseless stuff into the thread and the usual trololololololol.
+ Show Spoiler +Quotes: On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way. you should just go fishing trolololololololol On May 15 2012 01:48 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 01:46 sandroba wrote:
I do. Mafia is not likely to get shot, so town cpr is very good (infinite vigi). It's very strong for both teams. Do you agree with my denial plan? I need everyone that sees a problem with it to step up and say it. I like your denial plan. can you answer my question Why do you like it? how is it good?
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Is it a good idea to talk about scumreads yet or should we wait for d1?
We sure as hell don't talk about plans anymore because as mentioned, we can't change them once the numbers are out so might as well use the time to talk about scumreads when we're "not allowed" to talk about something else.
Because I still want Sandroba dead.
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On May 16 2012 20:37 Toadesstern wrote:
Is it a good idea to talk about scumreads yet or should we wait for d1?
We sure as hell don't talk about plans anymore because as mentioned, we can't change them once the numbers are out so might as well use the time to talk about scumreads when we're "not allowed" to talk about something else.
Because I still want Sandroba dead.
IMO, we should use all the time we have before n1 to discuss for the best possible lynch for d1.
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Regarding Mattchew, these posts stroked me the wrong way:
On May 15 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 01:51 sandroba wrote:
@mattchew sorry i missed it. I would say yes, very town favored. 15 blues aren't guaranteed though.
I have a new adition to the denial plan
4.pardoner
He actually sends pardon through pms so we profit from knowing where it is. Ok.. so what if we assigned everyone to enter a number and also assigned them a role. It would create a pre-game accountability for people and we would have better shot of getting 10+ roles to town... theres something wrong with this plan that needs to be pointed out to me.. i just cant figure out what it is yet
Doesn't push his plan, just suggest it and asks for it to be shot down.
On May 16 2012 13:36 Mattchew wrote:
decon you taking godfather?
decon has definitely agreed to the plan, so why would he ask this? Could be to try and passively push the plan (that he hasn't really commented on) or role fish?
That said I have yet to do any extensive digging through past games yet on him.
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On May 16 2012 20:41 Barundar wrote:Regarding Mattchew, these posts stroked me the wrong way: Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote:On May 15 2012 01:51 sandroba wrote:
@mattchew sorry i missed it. I would say yes, very town favored. 15 blues aren't guaranteed though.
I have a new adition to the denial plan
4.pardoner
He actually sends pardon through pms so we profit from knowing where it is. Ok.. so what if we assigned everyone to enter a number and also assigned them a role. It would create a pre-game accountability for people and we would have better shot of getting 10+ roles to town... theres something wrong with this plan that needs to be pointed out to me.. i just cant figure out what it is yet Doesn't push his plan, just suggest it and asks for it to be shot down. decon has definitely agreed to the plan, so why would he ask this? Could be to try and passively push the plan (that he hasn't really commented on) or role fish? That said I have yet to do any extensive digging through past games yet on him.
TL Mafia Area LIII as a scum game, I don't know any of his town games.
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Since there are people here, Would anyone want to discuss if we should/shouldnt get a role-cop?
and hider strategy.
The benefits I think would be that for example we could confirm the 1,2, &3 spots in the first 3 days effectively, as well as finding if the people actually agreed to the plan. The cons, nothing, I don't see any disadvantage to someone picking rolecop.
Also, I have thought of this but if a Veteran Player picks hider couldnt he just hide behind lurkers everyday forcing scum to either kill the lurkers or risk having said veteran player live longer, there is the possibility of scum getting this role though as this is advantegous to them as well, but it is more better for our vig's to destroy lurkers then them waster their 1 kp on lurkers every night to kill that veteran.
Any opinions and new ideas for role strategy are welcome.
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On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.
We had agreed on a plan. There was plenty of opportunity to voice any objections to it before the draft list was revealed.
On May 16 2012 02:03 deconduo wrote:
Is there anyone who does not agree with this plan?
On May 15 2012 11:37 Qatol wrote:
If anyone has reservations about assigning the roles as we are discussing, please bring them forward now.
It was also mentioned that there would be no changing after the draft was revealed.
On May 15 2012 06:16 deconduo wrote:
If we do decide to go with set picks, we need to have a solid decision before the draft order goes through. Mafia will change their preferences based on what positions they get so we can't have any more discussion once the order is revealed.
On May 15 2012 07:52 Qatol wrote:
I also agree that the assigned picks shouldn't be changed after the draft order is announced.
And yet you come out of nowhere saying you might not follow the plan, and you give no reasoning behind it. It looks a lot like a scum wanting to be able to use janitor without having any consequences. 'Oh janitor was used? I didn't like the plan so I didn't take it, it wasn't me.'
On May 16 2012 20:41 Barundar wrote:
decon has definitely agreed to the plan, so why would he ask this? Could be to try and passively push the plan (that he hasn't really commented on) or role fish?
Might be because my initial plan was to take GF, when I figured it was a bit stronger than it actually is. However its pretty obvious that I abandoned that plan ages ago, and agreed with the current one. No idea why he would bring it up again now.
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Yeah Mattchew gives a bad vibe but he usually does that as far as I can see.
Too early to say something about him imo. Will comment on him the next 48-ish hours.
Risk has basicly claimed traitor with his most reason post.
On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.
Because the only reason to think of "town could lose before d3" as a not persuasive argument is if you are not town or if you are considering to pick Traitor. Not sure if Risk is smart enough to do that on purpose as a townie to lure mafias into picking Janitor when he really never considered to pick something else and only wanted to look like he is considering something else.
Also take a look at how cocky he makes that sound. So really he either is a genius town right now who tries his best at wifom and uses fake-emotions on purpose to screw with mafia or he's mafia himself / willing to play mafia.
Sandroba is usually a really smart man. A really really smart man. He destroys mafia within 2 cycles of a game or even within the first.That's the usual Sandroba
So far what I saw from him pregame wasn't that smart as all because frankly he should have realized that making sure CPR is not in mafia hands has to be the #1 priority to at least have a chance as town.
So those 2 are my biggest problem right now.
Fancy conclusion
Sandroba looks really bad imo
Risk either looks incredible good or incredible bad. Not sure which one but there's pretty much nothing inbetween.
Prepost Edit: Oh and yeah. I said the rolecop looks more like a mafia role in this setup but given the situation I'd love a town rolecop to figure things out right now.
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and I'm off for now. Going to my parents place by train
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I personally feel that we shouldnt be talking about scum reads, not at this point when roles are confirmed. Doing so may influence a heavily scrutinized scum player to pick up something like GF giving them a free kill if they get lynched.
Also rolecop is definately useful for town.
Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up.
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On May 16 2012 21:21 zelblade wrote:
I personally feel that we shouldnt be talking about scum reads, not at this point when roles are not yet confirmed. Doing so may influence a heavily scrutinized scum player to pick up something like GF giving them a free kill if they get lynched.
Also rolecop is definately useful for town.
Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up.
EBWOP: Made an error
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Parity cop wouldn't seem too bad either, especially if you're a more out-of-the-way kind of guy who doesn't attract to much attention to himself and not too high on the draft order. After Night 2 you start getting results, especially if a townie can deny a framer role.
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Toad, yeah that might have been what I was doing, then again it might not. What is certain is you bringing it up was stupid (if you are town).
It's never to early to discuss scumreads. For instance we should probably shoot palmar from trolling which is him scumclaiming.
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Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.
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On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.
Umm, risk plz explain this post by answering these questions, this post is just random baseless bullshit thrown into the thread.
Why is denying cpr stupid?
Why is Janitor more dangerous?
Why does Toad got no idea what he's talking about?
Are you Mattchew? Your post's are exactly like his
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On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.
Denying scum an extra KP every night is stupid because...?
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Remember boys and girls, you have about 12 hours to get your roles in to me at this point! No PM from you = no role!
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A couple of things:
Palmar, please play the game seriously or don't sign up. You're just acting like a jerk at this point. I realize you're trying to make points by mocking/parodying other posts, but it really isn't a very nice way to play and it doesn't reflect well on you as a person or mafia player. You're better than this.
Everyone, just stick to the plan. Risk, even if you don't buy that CPR is dangerous, you mentioned yourself that Janitor is extremely dangerous for the mafia to have. There's your reason to prevent the Mafia from having the ability to use it. Just take it, please. You don't even need to worry about CPR, so just don't.
Marvellosity, don't let the discussion here confuse/WIFOM you. You should still be randomly generating (like random.org or dice if necessary) between Janitor and CPR. We want as little predictability as possible for the mafia in the role selection process.
I agree with zelblade that we shouldn't be talking about scum reads right now. I also agree with hiro protagonist that too much discussion of roles will just reveal what we are planning to pick. I also agree with PaqMan that complete silence is bad for the town because it allows the mafia to hide too easily. So I offer an alternative discussion topic which should allow some discussion of roles without revealing much about what you want to pick. Unfortunately, I couldn't figure out how to involve the people with middle picks easily because there's such a huge variance in the roles they could be selecting.
Proposed discussion topics for the day
Deconduo, risk.nuke, and marvellosity, feel free to jump in on any of these discussion topics.
[UoN]Sentinel, Mattchew, zelblade, Bluelightz, talismania, and misder:
What two pro-town roles would you like to see taken for sure by someone in the queue? These can be roles you are considering taking yourself. The point is you want to see this role in the game for sure and you think there is a chance the role will be passed over entirely.
hiro protagonist, Palmar, Snarfs, me, Sandroba, and Probulous:
What two roles do you think the mafia/SK want to grab early? These can be roles which will help the town a ton which you think the mafia/SK will try to deny or these can be roles which you think will help the mafia/SK significantly. These can still be roles you are considering taking yourself.
Players with the middle picks can consider the responses from both groups of players.
I'd like to see some comments on this idea (until say, 19:00 GMT (+00:00), which would give us 6 hours to talk about roles still, and we can speed this up if there is an overwhelmingly positive or negative response) before anyone answers these questions. I realize that it may cause a little more predictability for the mafia/SK, but it should also be effective in making sure that people in various parts of the queue are looking at important roles. More importantly, I'm a little worried that my not-quite-awake brain hasn't considered a major drawback to doing this.
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On May 16 2012 22:56 Qatol wrote:
Marvellosity, don't let the discussion here confuse/WIFOM you. You should still be randomly generating (like random.org or dice if necessary) between Janitor and CPR. We want as little predictability as possible for the mafia in the role selection process.
No, it's fine, it's more a combination of two things:
1) I didn't get involved in plan discussion, and mainly
2) I didn't expect to be in a draft position where it mattered (7,2 being third is a mystery to me)
I'm fine going along with the plan even if my initial reaction was more selfish - just ask sandroba what I was like in Space Station
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