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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 16 2012 02:41 GMT
#481
Sucks that after all that top 3 pick discussion, neither risk.nuke nor marvellosity had given any input to the plans.

Is it ill advised to talk about picks at this point? I'm debating with myself whether to try for a decent power that has a low (but non-zero) probability of getting passed up or just picking the worst power (imo) so that I at least have something.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 16 2012 03:13 GMT
#482
Qatol so what if there's a spammy page or two? At worst it is null for town and at best it helps. What if people try to use it to make cases? How and why they might do so would be interesting to see. Even if there is no surface information there's always something to be potentially gained by putting stuff out there for people to talk about.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 16 2012 04:12 GMT
#483
deconduo = CPR
risk.nuke = Janitor
marvellosity = rng CPR/Janitor

OK you three, you know what to do. Marvellosity, just in case its not obvious, dont tell us the results of the rng pick until after the picking phase is over. Thanks for taking one for the team

@Snarfs: I dont think talking about what you want to pick/will pick. We want Mafia to be as unsure of picks as possable. If town starts informing their picks, it makes it easy for scum to snipe better roles.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 16 2012 04:14 GMT
#484
EBWOP: should have said, I dont think talking about what you want to pick/will pick is a good idea.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 16 2012 04:19 GMT
#485
Yea, that's kinda what I was thinking and why I didn't mention which way I was leaning.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 04:21 GMT
#486
Yepp, I don't understand that. Some discussion is always better than complete silence. Makes it too easy for scum.

That said, my numbers were [2,2]. I didn't give much thought when I was choosing my numbers. I was originally going to do [4,2] but risk declared that as his number and I didn't want to end up at the bottom.

Also, lol at deconduo. Assuming that he went through with [1,1] I'm surprised no one else picked it. Idk why, I just thought that someone would troll him and pick the same number. Would have been pretty funny.
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
May 16 2012 04:22 GMT
#487
ebwop: sharing our number picks also doesn't benefit scum so I don't see why not.
t(ツ)t
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
May 16 2012 04:25 GMT
#488
It adds spam without much in the way of good discussion - I think the draft order is more important and discussion of numbers is a red herring.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 16 2012 04:36 GMT
#489
decon you taking godfather?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 16 2012 04:44 GMT
#490
If people are worried about being spammy with posting their numbers then just post them at the end of a non spammy post. As paqman says it can't hurt town or help scum.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 16 2012 05:31 GMT
#491
On May 16 2012 13:44 talismania wrote:
If people are worried about being spammy with posting their numbers then just post them at the end of a non spammy post. As paqman says it can't hurt town or help scum.

I'm okay with this attitude. Posting your numbers as part of something more constructive is fine. And to practice what I preach, I picked [5][1]. Regardless, a post such as this:
On May 16 2012 10:24 talismania wrote:
I picked 15,1
does nothing for the town except add one more post on that page. I want people to try and read the entire thread. I also want people to remain as active as possible. Spam encourages people to skim or not read the thread right now because "there are too many pages to go through." I don't want the thread to have that effect on people.

On May 16 2012 13:21 PaqMan wrote:
Yepp, I don't understand that. Some discussion is always better than complete silence. Makes it too easy for scum.
The problem is posts such as the one I pointed out don't even qualify as "discussion." The only thing worse than silence is spam. Spam allows the mafia to blend in but still remain completely useless to the town (which is what they want to do anyways in an ideal situation). Plus, like I mentioned before, then people are less likely to want to read the thread or read the thread less carefully and miss important posts.
Uff Da
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
May 16 2012 09:22 GMT
#492
I hereby define everything that's been said in the thread as pointless spam.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:52 GMT
#493
On May 16 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
I hereby define everything that's been said in the thread as pointless spam.


no u
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:53 GMT
#494
P.S. Do I have any option other than to retardedly RNG a role? I'd quite like to pick one, actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 09:54 GMT
#495
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 16 2012 10:04 GMT
#496
[1,1] Almost changed at the last minute but decided against it. Glad I didn't now

On May 16 2012 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?


CPR and Janitor are probably the most dangerous mafia roles, so we want to know exactly where they are and who has them. This is why we assigned them to #1 and #2 picks. This is fine if town are #1 and #2, but if there is a mafia there, they can claim they picked CPR/janitor, when in reality they picked some other good mafia role, and had a teammate who is at the bottom of the draft pick CPR/janitor instead. This way they get 2 strong roles instead of 1 strong 1 weak. However if you claim you will RNG between CPR/janitor then its a huge risk for mafia to drop down a role. They have a 50/50 chance of both getting killed AND losing the pick, being left with a man down and another with a vanilla pick. It keeps them honest and stops them from dropping strong roles down the draft list.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 10:06 GMT
#497
On May 16 2012 19:04 deconduo wrote:
[1,1] Almost changed at the last minute but decided against it. Glad I didn't now

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
Shit, now I'm going to have to read back why 3rd is supposed to be RNGing. Anyone care to summarise?


CPR and Janitor are probably the most dangerous mafia roles, so we want to know exactly where they are and who has them. This is why we assigned them to #1 and #2 picks. This is fine if town are #1 and #2, but if there is a mafia there, they can claim they picked CPR/janitor, when in reality they picked some other good mafia role, and had a teammate who is at the bottom of the draft pick CPR/janitor instead. This way they get 2 strong roles instead of 1 strong 1 weak. However if you claim you will RNG between CPR/janitor then its a huge risk for mafia to drop down a role. They have a 50/50 chance of both getting killed AND losing the pick, being left with a man down and another with a vanilla pick. It keeps them honest and stops them from dropping strong roles down the draft list.


An unexpectedly quick and understandable explanation, thank you. I should have paid more attention to such things but my draft pick wasn't designed to place high :/

I'll go along with this as it seems pretty sensible, if a bit sucky for me
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
May 16 2012 10:07 GMT
#498
On May 16 2012 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. Do I have any option other than to retardedly RNG a role? I'd quite like to pick one, actually.

Problem is then the most dangerous roles can go lost in the depths of the list. You will still get a role if top spots lied. I've been where you are, consider it a team game where your most important task is annoying but will be a big part of your impact on the game. In any case, you are inviting scum to gamble on you not following the plan by expressing doubt.

I'm keeping a list of numbers for my own use, and just by the knowledge of my numbers [3] [1] I'm able to reconstruct the remaining players first number, with the exception of an unimportant detail. So there is no reason to post more numbers.
Bartundar
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
May 16 2012 11:13 GMT
#499
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 16 2012 11:15 GMT
#500
On May 16 2012 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
So many plans, I'm going to think on this. I may or may not follow them. I may or may not tell you if I decide to follow them. Honestly though, your arguments arent nearly as persuasive as you think they are.


Explain why not then, don't just state it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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