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On May 16 2012 06:16 Crossfire99 wrote:
Hmmm, curiously I just noticed in your last post, you leave out Anacletus and Bio in your reads. Why? Are they your scumbuddies?
On May 16 2012 03:42 austinmcc wrote:
Bio and Anac are going to take me a little more work, but I wanted to go ahead and post this. I guess right now I'm looking at a scumteam of Dahdum/Crossfire/+1, which might come out of Bio or Anac. I need to look more at BioSC and Dahdum's little spat with each other, perhaps they're both intentionally making weak cases on the other to fill the thread, and if one got lynched the other could try to turn that into some town cred. Will read over Anac, I'm not as confident in my newbie town read as I was D1, but I want to find some actual reasons why and look harder.
Gave my reasoning there.
Anac I want to really sit and think on, that's going to take me some time. I post from work during the day, and can't set aside the time to drill down on his posts, analyze them, type out thoughts. That's gotta wait for me getting home. It's easy to analyze those who haven't been too active, but it's more difficult to actually give analysis on Anac, because he was very active, we've had a lot of accusations/suspicions concerning him, and a lot of OTHER reads depend on what his alignment is. Anac's alignment really determines a lot of people's reads from what I can tell.
Left out Bio because, as I said, I want to look more at the exchanged between him and dahdum and see what I get.
Also, let's say I left the two of them out and we're all scumbuddies. That sure seems like a TERRIBLE PLAN. Why on earth would I telegraph something like that? I've given reasoning for my reads, made arguments, I haven't been illogical so far. Why would I randomly go, herp derp I don't want to make reads on mafia, maybe nobody will notice. IF i die tonight, you'll know I'm not scum. IF i don't, AND I don't post anything on the two of them, THEN come talk to me.
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On May 16 2012 06:24 Crossfire99 wrote:
Now he conveniently states that he is still suspicious of Anac, but not suspicious enough to warrant a vote. Hmmm? I definitely think you are trying to defend your scumbuddy, but still trying to keep your hands clean if he is lynched over your wishes by saying you were still suspicious.
Pretty much half the players were suspicious of him D1 but didn't vote for him? Go read the thread. We had a lot of "I'm still not convinced, but he can't hurt us D2" (Yes, I argued that and others accepted it).
Here's Shiao. Goes from - + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 00:22 ShiaoPi wrote:
@austinmcc: Considering your thoughts on Anacletus: There is always the possibility of bad town play instead of scummy play. But doesn't the defense of Anacletus (or more the lack of) seem weird to you? Also his lack of good contributions? I guess bad townie play is always a possibility, but for now I stand by my vote.
On the accusations on BroodKingEXE: You bring up some good analysis. I guess I overlooked those aspects of his posts because I was more busy defending my posts against him than analyzing. I'll have to reread his filter thoroughly though, before doing anything.
On May 12 2012 04:42 ShiaoPi wrote:As it stands right now, Anacletus will get lynched as he has the most votes. And a lynch on him is fine on my watch as well. Just want to get something more telling from BroodkingEXE. He seems to have conveniently vanished as pressure against him mounted up. As crappy as it was Anacletus did try to defend himself. He still is one of the bigger scumreads right now and as austinmcc argued correctly he has absolutely zero credibility right now. So as scum, who might attempt to sway town's discussion he is worthless at the moment until he steps it up and starts to give us reasons to believe him again. BroodkingExe on the other hand just disappeared, ignoring the case completely and if you examine the last two posts of his you will see the recurring things austinmcc mentioned in his case. He again shifts a bit of focus on other people who have not really been called out until now, but does not start his own case (see this: + Show Spoiler +Okay I've looked at the filters and have come up with two other people I view as posting scummy.
Jailbreaker. So far he has offered nothing to the conversation at all. He pointed out lurkers, defended himself, and gave a bunch of half-ass responses along with another unsupported scum list. He's trying to point fingers with no real direction, scum behavior to me.
BioSC. His posts have for the most part been defensive. Even his big post against Darkfire was like that. He starts off saying that Dark is trying to push attention toward him, but then goes on to try and justify his past actions. The conviction seems more like a diversion to save his own hide than to lynch scum. ) His other post calls out austinmcc as scummy for repeating his beliefs on Anacletus (that he is a bad townie but not necessarily mafia). BroodkingEXE's post were done after austinmcc's case against him and yet he managed to ignore it completely. So either 1) He did not see/read austinmcc's post (highly unlikely) 2) He did read it and chose to ignore it as he seems safe enough with the current votecount So the only way to get him into talking seems to be to unvote one by one and making him think of his own position of less than secure. I just want to hear more from him, if we do not get him to talk and Anacletus is lynched, at least we will know Anacletus' role and from there on we have more room to expand our discussion. Either way they are both top priorities for pressure/questioning regardless of whom we lynch today. On May 12 2012 07:09 ShiaoPi wrote:
In the end (with less than an hour to lynchtime) if I have to pick between Anacletus and BroodKingEXE I'll have to go with BroodKingEXE, his lynch seems more useful to me. Since even if we mislynch we gain more information from his flip than from Anacletus'
##vote BroodKingEXE
Unless something drastic happens, my vote stays.
Here's dahdum - + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote:
I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned).
Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count?
Here's BioSC - + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 04:14 BioSC wrote:
Yes, we are close to lynch time, and Brood hasn't shown himself for 2+ hours. However, I don't like the precedence swapping the bandwagon onto him says about play. I feel like it gives scum an out.
"Well, even though my posts were scummy, and the majority of town have been calling me out on it, and I've yet to offer anything positive to town, you guys forgave Ana, why not forgive me?"
For now, my vote stays as is. As we wind down to time, though, what does that mean if Brood doesn't show up till night starts? What is our plan before then? Do we all switch the bandwagon to Brood for a last minute lynch? Or is it a last minute ploy by mafia to save scum that has been playing badly? On May 12 2012 04:45 BioSC wrote:
Which is a fair conclusion. I am also voting for the person I believe is the most scummy, which is Anac. Your points on Brood, however, haven't been lost on me. Reading through his filter along with your case against him definitely raises my suspicions towards him.
My second half of the post was more of a discussion starter than a concrete plan for us to follow. As of right now, the only people on and even discussing the case this close to lynch is you, me, and ShiaoPi. If you want to get your lynch case through, the best way to do that is discussion, and by trying to convince the 4 non-voters as of yet to vote your way, but even then, I feel like the case against Anac is already too stacked against him to change. On May 12 2012 05:45 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote:
I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned).
Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count? Your tunnelling on me makes absolutely no sense. We've had pretty much the exact same reads on people, excepting of course that for whatever strange reason you believe I'm playing scummy. I've already asked you for reasons on why you think I'm scum, but frankly they are pretty tame and only serve to distract and cause more arguments. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 12:57 dahdum wrote:@biosc Sure, this is why I think you're scummy: Show nested quote +
Sounds like a solid strategy. Basic, but solid. Getting rid of lurkers/low content players seems like a win/win. If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
You're agreeing with me here, but then the "they would be as bad as scum" phrase really seems out of place. My first suspicion based on that. Show nested quote +
While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game.
Show nested quote +Read what I posted again. I threw my suspicions towards him as well. Not sure what about my post was defending him.
By throwing your suspicions I assume you mean the phrase "back half of his post is worthy of discussion". Super passive and non-committal. Show nested quote +Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. Sounds like something one scum says to another. I'd also like to hear more on who you think is suspicious beyond Analectus? What is your goal here? You believe I'm scum, but have the same reads as a scum? I'm not even sure you follow your own logic. We are discussing the lynch of Anacletus or BroodKingExe, Why would you bring me into this discussion, if not to distract from what we are discussing. If you have a case against me, make it. So far your suspicions of me have been weak at best, so I hope that if you are making a case, it's better than "He said some cryptic things on day 1", and "He had a scum read on one of my reads, but said something I believe to be scumtalk" Honestly this whole half-assed commited case you have against me just strengthens my case for you being scum. Back to the case at hand. I've stated multiple times that I believe Anacletus to be scum, however, with the recent case against BXE, I'm inclined to swap my vote to him. The biggest reason I am to swap my vote over, is this line in Austin's case. + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote:
If that makes sense, and recent action just doesn't support a scenario where Anac is scum and Brood is town, then we should take out Brood. We can deal with Anac later if he IS scum, because he's got no chance to be really disruptive after his start.
Both players have had people call them out on being scummy. However, due to Anac losing all credit with the town, regardless of affiliation, it would be tough for him ,should he be mafia, to get any ball rolling on someone else in town. It's not a forgiveness for bad play, its a delay in action for a scum target appearing more scummy near the end of the day. ## Unvote## Vote BroodKingEXE
In fact, here's YOU on D1 - + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote:Sorry for being so inactive, I’ve been very busy today. I haven’t been able to keep up with the thread very much, so I’ll focus on two things. My current position on Anacletus and this newfound suspicion on BroodKingEXE In relation to Anacletus: So far he has said he has had no information + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 09:16 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anacletus, What have you been doing? Has the pressure vote brought any information? Scum hunting means analyzing responses to stuff like this, I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt if you provide useful information. I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? . Then he goes on to have a suspicion of BioSC + Show Spoiler + My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. backed up with little evidence. He also calls dahdum a bit suspicious because he posted his reads on everyone. (Note: I sort of agree with him here. I don’t think it is necessarily scummy, but a list of your reads on someone is not as helpful as a case against a few people. These posts also allow an easy for scum to hide and seem like they are doing work. In the end this quote goes in his favor.) Lastly he defends himself by saying is just a bad townie and doesn’t have any reads on everyone, just guesses + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 01:01 Anacletus wrote:
Yeah, it's just bad town play. I really hope you guys don't lynch me and let the cop check me or something.
In the beginning I was just being reckless to start up the conversations. I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again, I have no interest in hanging anyone yet as everything is just inconclusive guesses. . This isn’t a good defense because we have to lynch someone day 1 and since we have to lynch someone, he should put in work looking for scum instead of whatever little effort he has been giving so far. Right now he is just making excuses for not scum hunting. -------------------------------------- Now onto BroodKingEXE: I will start with this quote from ausitnmcc. It is his case against Brood. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 22:38 austinmcc wrote:My thoughts on Anacletus: His play does not feel like good townie play. I brought that up earlier, we've all discussed it by now, and I think we all seem to come to the same conclusion. While I would support a lynch of Anacletus, I think we have better targets. I'll look through his responses more today, but for now I would prefer to look elsewhere, and see how Anacletus continues to play. Right now, "not good townie play" is my read, but I'm not convinced that his play is scummy and not just bad townie play. However, we've got a quarter of D1 left, and I want to throw this case out and push it a little, see what comes of it. My top scum read: BroodKingEXE. BroodKingEXE filter - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&user=233869Skip 2/3 of the first page. It's pregame. He's active, vocal, chatting a lot with everyone in the pregame. Doesn't really mean anything. First posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 12:53 BroodKingEXE wrote:
/confirm
Lynching lurkers in the early game not a good idea. My reasoning is that people need to be able to post before we persecute them. Something to think about lurkers, Mafia will try to lurk, but their posts will have more intent behind each one. Why? Every post they make is going to push its own idea of an agenda, but the more they post the more the idea could be misinterpreted. Before we lynch a lurker let's look at the intent of the post: a Mafia agenda push or a helpful Townie post. On May 10 2012 13:18 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Not true, lynching an inactive is a waste. Scum wants us to not lynch them. We can call lurkers out, and they have to respond. They don't respond, we start looking at them. Lynching, because they are lurkers is stupid. On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again ><
I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. ##Vote: Firm Tofu These aren't entirely incompatible. Lynching lurkers bad, pressuring them good, let people post before we jump to conclusions. That seems townie, fine and dandy, but then he fires off the very first vote of the game on FirmTofu. Why? Because FirmTofu posted + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again ><
I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. Look at the bolded part of Broodking's first post. Now back to me. Now back to the bolded part of FirmTofu's post. Now back to me. Anything? That's the same exact thought process. And yet when FirmTofu vocalizes that, Broodking fires off the first vote of the game. I still don't agree with that vote at all, even if it was just to "pressure" someone, because there's absolutely no grounds for voting someone because they express a thought you just expressed slightly earlier. From then on out, it's a series of one-liner and response posts, but never really DOING anything. Last night (eastern time), BroodKing had one of the longest filters, and yet the only substantive post was him voting FirmTofu off the bat. For example: + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 03:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:
You can withhold your vote but you still need to scum hunt. On May 11 2012 04:01 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This post makes sense, Anacletus' play has been pretty wierd. I need to hear a response from him before I vote though. This line stood out to me. BroodKing threw out of FIRST vote of the game on Tofu, before there was play to analyze and before Tofu responded to anything. Why does he need a response now to vote? After that, he starts giving responses to other people, specifically ShiaoPi's reads, but doesn't really add anything of substance. scummy+ Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 04:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Hyaach Why did you put your vote on Ancletus? You had just as much reasoning as him. That is none. On May 11 2012 04:33 BroodKingEXE wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! ShiaoPi are you defending Hyaach? A null read? He has provided zero evidence for his vote. Your whole list is terrible, it provides nothing more than a bunch "I'm leaning town, but you can never be sure reads". I smell a scumwagon. On May 11 2012 05:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Your big post brings up a list of null reads. Its misleading due to its size when its content is a bunch of reiteration of events. Scum will make posts like this to make themselves seem useful. If you actually read your reasoning for voting for anacletus it is: he was not eager, a post lacking logic, and a bandwagon. The first two could be townie mistakes and bandwagons aren't very effective when people have strong objections to the canidate. On the other hand, you have voted with the person you first thought was scum and had dropped your suspicions based on...nothing. On May 11 2012 09:09 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Just needed explanation for your vote/post. This canidate seems really rushed though, people haven't looked at his latest posts for signs of scumminess. I agree that his past posts are suspicious, but we need to look at his current posts. Too much like a wagon for me to vote for him yet. Note that at this point, ShiaoPi has just thrown out the first real list of reads we had from anyone. BroodKing posts a couple times concerning the list, but doesn't really add anything. While he gets information out of ShiaoPi, he doesn't really provide any himself. At no point in those posts does he agree with a read or disagree with a read, rather, he simply acknowledges that reads were made and ShiaoPi voted. This is also the first point we begin to move AWAY from the Anacletus discussion (which has run its course at this point), and BroodKing continues to ask for information based on ShiaoPi's vote for Anacletus. Finally, compare his filter from this game with his filter from Newbie VIII, where he was town. + Show Spoiler + There are some posts in a similar style to his posts here, but a LOT of @x and @y, what do you guys think about z. Lots of longer discussions, paragraphs, lists. SOME of that is because he was the lynch target D1 and so had to be active and defend himself. But his townie posts from VIII feel more robust and they contribute, whereas his posts so far in XIII do not. ------------------------------- Anacletus's play still feels more bad than scummy. I would like to let him live for now, and see if he starts to really contribute. Right now he has 0 town cred, so if he's mafia he can't actively muck up town discussion. If we back off the pressure, MAYBE he mounts a decent defense and provides some good reads, because...he's got to do that to get any cred back. If not? We lynch him later, or we see if we can get any information N1 from blue roles that push us forward. Compared to Anacletus though, BroodKingEXE looks actively scummy. So far he hasn't contributed anything of note except the first vote of the game, which made little sense. He's supports getting responses before voting, but then votes without a response from FirmTofu. He wants scumhunting and reasoning, but has provided none. Again, I'm not opposed to an Anacletus lynch, but I would prefer to lynch the player that seems scummiest, which is BroodKing. ##Vote BroodKingEXE
##FOS: AnacletusDahdum, I'm especially interested in hearing your thoughts on this, as you read BroodKing to be scummy as well. I didn't really notice him until I looked through all the filters last night and realized he was my best scumread. Do you agree with my reasoning? Did you have different reasoning? I agree with some of what Austin has said because when I did my own read through of Brood’s filter, it is just a mess of garbage posts. He also hypocritically accuses Firmtofu and votes for him because Formtofu said to wait until everyone has posted before judging them evev though he said the same thing. But, I will say that his redeeming quality is that he is pretty active and is suspicios of these giant “here are my reads for every person in the game” posts. I don’t like these posts that much because as he pointed out, they are an easy way for scum to hide and seem like they are doing work, but in reality they aren’t. This means that he is less scummy in my eyes than Anacletus, but I am going to keep my eye on him in the future. ##Vote Anacletus
So yes. I "conveniently" state I'm suspicious of Anac, but voted someone else. Oh no. Turns out practically half of us were suspicious of Anac but voted elsewhere. In fact, YOU were suspicious of Brood, "keeping your eye on him," but voted Anac. If being suspicious of one of those two and voting for the other is a scumtell, then we're in big trouble because we're ALL scum.
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Some quick math for everyone.
1.Mufaa
2.austinmcc
3.Dahdum
4.Crossfire99
5.FirmTofu
6.Unforgiven_ve
7.BioSC
8.Anacletus
9.Hyaach
We know a town will die tonight. To all you townies, you know that YOU are not mafia. Therefore, with 4 town and 3 mafia you will have exactly a 50/50 chance of getting the lynch right if you pick a random person that isn't yourself. Additionally, we will have to get it right or we lose.
I want everyone to make a list of their top three candidates for mafia. We can cross-reference everyone's lists to figure out who might be lying.
Here's mine in no particular order:
1) dahdum
2) BioSC
3) Mufaa
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Vote for BioSC people! TT
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I'm pretty sure I'm 100% dead by tonight because I can't see mafia killing anyone else besides austin. However, austin is suspected of mafia for his actions, so I doubt he'll be dying today.
Please contribute. It's perfectly okay if you think I'm mafia, just tell us who your three top candidates for mafia are.
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On May 16 2012 10:58 Anacletus wrote:
Vote for BioSC people! TT
Do you have an argument for suspecting him, or are you just bandwagoning off of what dahdum says? Until you provide me with some credible evidence I can't just trust you like that.
The only reason I have him on my scum list is because of his voting patterns and the single-dimensional nature of those who want him dead(mark of a town). It's more of a guess than anything based on evidence, but I'm willing to put myself out there for more information from others.
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On May 16 2012 10:59 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm 100% dead by tonight because I can't see mafia killing anyone else besides austin. However, austin is suspected of mafia for his actions, so I doubt he'll be dying today.
Please contribute. It's perfectly okay if you think I'm mafia, just tell us who your three top candidates for mafia are.
Been expecting you to be the target as well. No sense taking me out when I'm sure I'll get some heat tomorrow.
As for my reads, right now they're the same as above: dahdum, crossfire, _____
Got stuck out later than I wanted, so will have to fill in the third tomorrow. Since we've got some suspicions on Bio, I'll really need to take a look at him.
Firm, you suspect both dahdum and Bio?
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uh? i came in to check the night post and i hasnt been made?
My top 3:
austincc
Anacletus
Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire ... lol, thats all of us but me i guess 
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Day 3
Dahdum, Vanilla Townie has been shot!
Mufaa, Mafia Godfather has been shot!
Sorry for being late on the Day post! Voting ends in 1.5 days, Thursday at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter.
In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess.
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So 7 alive, with a 5/2 town/mafia split. Takes us out of MYLO for one day. Nice shot vigi, really saved our asses. Any chance you breacrumbed the role/shot well?
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Nice shot vig. GG guys was fun.
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i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game.
does that bother you austin?
im not taking any chances now
##Vote austinmcc
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I'm still convinced of BioSC.
##Vote BioSC
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Hey Austin, what do you think of BioSC? Would he be a good lynch? I'm on the fence right now, maybe you could share your thoughts?
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Just got back in, gonna be looking at that now. Right now I'm on the fence about one of the lurkers from D2 vs. Bio. But dahdum being town screws up the team that I was picturing, so...guess I need to look more at the lurkers. I just can't believe we had 3 townies miss an entire day of discussion, not to mention our numbers are low. Thinking one mafia there, and either the other is also in that group or would be Bio/Anac. I'll have specific Bio thoughts up tonight.
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Lets just pause for one second. Are we really going to vote with someone who multiple confirmed townies have called out since day 1, has had inconsistent posting patterns, and is now tunneling against the person who has been calling him out since day 2?
Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it.
This post in particular stood out to me:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote:
Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made.
Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this.
If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him.
I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment.
Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close?
##Vote Jailbreaker
This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip.
We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked.
The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0
Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum)
I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote:
I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.
I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/
I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.
I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town.
Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me.
This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know:
1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum?
2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot?
3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town?
## Vote Anacletus
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I have a suspicion about who our vigi was. Maybe I'm just imagining things, but if you were the vigi, find some way to get it out there.
Okay, so I read back through things looking at BioSC and his interactions with others. The most notable thing that pops out to me, and, granted, it's not a lot to go on, is that both dahdum and dark were suspcious of BioSC. They've both flipped town.
dahdum started off thinking bio was scummy. Supported a Bio or Brood lynch D1, voted Bio quickly D2. There's not a ton there though, mainly talk of him playing passively and then getting defensive when challenged. My own thoughts kind of support that, Anac and Dark both suspicious of Bio D1 and he then turns around on them and is suspicious of them.
Darkfire starts out suspicious of Bio for semantics, which I don't find particularly convincing. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. On May 14 2012 12:16 Darkfirex5 wrote:
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BioSC filter my last few posts, i havent been talking about you. I've been trying to look into Mufaa and dahdum. I've shifted away from you and i still want Analcetus to be lynched becuase if he pops mafia, it will be easy to track who saved him from the first lynch. In response to you directly, I was on edge with you being mafia but i began thinking you were protown. Again recently I've begun looking at dahdum and Mufaa. Also i was trying to poke at your defensive play, becuase you seem to always respond hyper defensive. I was trying to get more information out of you by knowing that i had an FOS on you. But now, moving ahead i think the biggest target is mufaa dahdun and Anacletus. I'll look to analyze material when i get back from school. On May 15 2012 07:55 Darkfirex5 wrote:
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With this i now find Dahdum townie as well because though he had suspicions on BioSC and Anacletus. I havent been able to clear BioSC though which is why i dont think that dahdum is more likely to be mafia. I think that dahdum as well is pro town more so. WIth Mufaa though he has waited twice now to join a majority vote. Well shit now, i think mufaa is townie as well, debatably now because of the defense on Anacletus. Huh well now that leaves BioSC and lurkers....
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im hoping i gave you some insight austincc. I'm going to remain a FOS on Mufaa, but because i have this basis on Anacletus being town Mufaa seems more town pro. I'd like to know for sure though somehow because this remains on the basis that Anacletus is a townie. Meh shit i feel like i dodged your question in a way, but now rereading more and more im geting new ideas and now i feel like you will think that im voting BioSC because there is 2 votes on him. Ask it again if you feel like i didnt answer you "correctly" its hard now that i have this different insight rereading some of Mufaa's older posts during day 1 On May 15 2012 07:58 Darkfirex5 wrote:
when i pop townie cause thats the way it seems, other townies look at dahdum, mufaa and Anacletus, they to me seem the most pro town. Austin is iffy look into him. I was pressuring BioSC because i thought hey why not get things roling because this could pop up as something. Welp meh i dont have a case against you Tofu but you've been chilling back for a while reading these posts <-- dont like
And again, it's not a ton to go on, but here's N1 and On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote:
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Darkfire: I still haven't gotten an answer for this post. Mind filling me in on the details? Like how you are trying to shift blame off of one of the scummiest players at the time to someone else on such a triviality?
Unvorgiven_ve: Where the hell have you been, and why is it that the person the mafia hit has you #1 on their list?
DahDum: I've still got my reasons for suspecting you, and having Brood call you out only to not respond for 1.5 days adds to the suspicion.
There IS some defensiveness there, and I don't really have a leg to stand on and make the argument "He suspected townies, therefore he's mafia," but 2/3 of his suspicions have flipped town. Firm you seem to pick something up there, during D2, somewhere on P19 (too lazy to find now), you note that you think dahdum/dark are mafia because they team up and attack Bio.
I don't get any giant read off of his filter though. It does feel a little defensive. I mean, very defensive. Until his most recent post, EVERYTHING was dahdum/dark/anac, except for the one time he called out dahdum/dark/unforgiven. I don't love the way that feels.
At the moment then, I guess I'm on the fence as well. I see him very suspicious of townies, but it's tough for me to get a scumread off that when I've been suspicious of townies. I don't love that he's not really contributing, just being defensive and OMGUSing. Wouldn't hate a lynch on him, could maybe get behind it. I want to keep looking around.
Another consideration is that a Bio lynch maybe tells us something about Anac. Seems like if Bio flipped scum, Anac would feel more townie. That's some serious commitment if Anac was pushing Bio so hard D2 and then D3, perhaps a bit too long and too focused to be a bus?
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I'm not the vigi. I also have a suspicion, and that it is whomever randomly got the power from our modkilled townie way back when. Honestly a roleclaim to that vigi would be a huge discussion point, and shouldn't be done lightly.
Also, with regards to DahDum, yeah, I admit I was suspicious of him. Obviously, I was wrong, but I had never voted for him, only the person I found scummy at the time. As to Anac/Dahdum, I've responded as well as I thought I could have to Anac's case against me, and I feel like mine against him is stronger.
I wish I could comment on Dahdum, but he never actually laid out anything significant. Honestly I believe he was just on the wrong track, and simply bandwagoning.
What do you think of my post towards Anacletus?
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What I'd really love, since we only have 24 hours left, is some frigging contribution from our lurkers. One of the main reasons I'm not set on Bio is that we've still got so much inactivity. So, to everyone not contributing, KNOCK IT OFF. You're hurting town here. We NEED discussion. There are enough people rarely contributing that you can't even all be mafia...so someone out there is town and actively making this difficult. Time zones, mother's day, all of that contributes to absences, but you've got to help out here.
So. Get active. Help us out. Otherwise I really just want to policy lynch you over Bio, and that's a terrible mindset.
HEY LURKERS
Unforgiven
+ Show Spoiler +Unforgiven seems to pop on once a cycle, post a single post or just a tiny flurry of them, then disappear. I have no clue what On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game.
does that bother you austin?
im not taking any chances now
##Vote austinmcc means, so feel free to explain that. You voted for yourself D1, then swapped to Brood. You voted for yourself D2. Your main scumread seems to be...yourself. What were you right about? You mentioned mufaa a few times, but every time you mentioned him you ALSO mentioned about 900 other players. + Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote:My god Anacletus, of course i give you some credit, but i dont undertand ANYTHING you post, your contributions makes no sense, they are contradictory and change everytime someone points his finger at you. You need to understand this is a TEAM GAME, you just cant convince people saying " My plan so far is more of a cluster-fuck spider-web of ideas written in a language that I don't know." are you really THAT bad of a player? if you turn mafia im gonna laugh, really. I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, I'm going to withhold my vote until later when everyone has a chance to post everybody already posted and im still waiting, and
posting this now, going to formulate a new post based on BroodKingEXE, ShiaoPi, Hyaach (page 7 to 8)
and being under the radar in general)Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day On May 12 2012 07:12 Unforgiven_ve wrote:I think anacletus did us not good playing the way he has, i want to belive its a mafia "strategy" but its just too risky(¿?), after reading austinmcc and seeing Anacletus doesnt represent a thread anymore ( im sure this will strike us some other way in the future), if BKE flips blue/town as Shaopi says, we are at 0 again thanks to Anacletus. I repeat, i dont like to be guided this easily, but i see a case, i see reasons, and i see lack of response from the accused party. I have made up my mind after readin all posts and seeing RKE lacks of defense after the high pressure...also, this is golden Mufaa, it just raised my "interest" on you.+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote:
Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made.
.... and i agree 100% on your jailbraker FOS as i stated hours before, pointing a friend maybe?... but i think we should wait a little more. ##Vote BroodKingEXE On May 13 2012 08:31 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
My list in case i die.
suspicious of mufaa, jailbreaker, crossfire because at the time they hadn't really posted
suspicious of anacletus because of his play
suspicious of shaopi because at the time he posted a big list of names with his opinions but nothing really happened yet so there wasn't much to base that on On May 16 2012 13:23 Unforgiven_ve wrote:uh? i came in to check the night post and i hasnt been made? My top 3: austincc Anacletus Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire ... lol, thats all of us but me i guess First post you suspect Mufaa, but also Anac, Jailbreaker, and ShiaoPi. Second post Mufaa raises your interest, but you throw your vote on Brood. In the third post, you're suspicious of 5 players, half the non-you players. In the last post, you seem to be suspicious of SIX players now. Can you narrow down your reads? I don't care if you narrow them down to me and want to tunnel me all day, I'll respond. But we need you to contribute, because you haven't really given us ANYTHING in the last ~96 hours.
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+ Show Spoiler +You were gone all D2. N2 you pop in 2 hours before deadline, and do respond to my case. I appreciate that. But now you've dipped out for another 24+ hours. We're talking 2 actual posts over the last...96 hours.
I'm not holding the Probulous comment against you anymore. I got an answer to one of my PMs, and not to the other, so I can believe that Prob is just a bum and Adam is a way better coach. You're rightfully suspicious of Anac. But other than that, who?
Heck, what about other stuff -- Why do you think the night kills have been ShiaoPi and dahdum? What made them good targets for mafia? Why not kill Firm last night? Come in here, contribute, even if it's just answering that stuff.
Hyaach
+ Show Spoiler +Hyaach we basically haven't heard from you since N1. Again, 96 hours. Your suspects from N1 -- On May 12 2012 12:49 Hyaach wrote:
I will just say this out now.
High on my suspect list :
dahdum Anacletus Mufaa
ShiaoPi
and checks on Anacletus will be pointless as i've said his been claiming his town so far and could very well be mafia godfather. they appears innocent to checks. Self voted to appear as a last ditch effort to claim townie because the case on him was quite big. Kept insisting he wasn't sure voting BKE was a good choice. Then switch vote to BKE the moment people started pushing and BKE's case seemed lost. How does that change your reads? Heck, we know Mufaa was godfather, so that means Anac can't be gf (Unforgiven, don't get on mah nuts about this, go look at the way the roles are picked and none of the scumteam options have multiple gfs). If the possibility of him being a gf is out, how do you read him?
Hooray. Santy Claus has brought presents to all the lurkers. I'm going to keep calling you out all through D3. I keep focusing on people who have posted scummy content, and they keep flipping green. Maybe it's time I focus instead on people WITHOUT much content.
At the moment, I mainly support a lynch on:
(1) Crossfire
(2) BioSC
(3) Unforgiven/Hyaach
Order subject to change over the course of the day, but that's my current mindset.
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