EPTOn May 04 2012 13:44 johnnywup wrote:
I'm relooking into my other 2 scum but I'm pretty confident in Ghost scum.
ghost_403
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Before I get into the actual case, I'd like to address something. Ghost supported lynching a lot of people that flipped Green. But it's not only that. He consistently either says BM or St.Daniel are bad lynches, or avoids talking about them altogether.
I'll rephrase all this: "Anyone down for lynching Townies and not lynching BM or St.Daniel?"
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Now, onto to the actual case. First, a trip down memory lane, where we have ghost's response to my previous case. I dismissed it as a good defense, but after the ottox lynch it makes him look even scummier than before.
Since it's not a bus, pushing ottox so hard makes sense as scum. It's not "constantly bussing your scum mate for a week non stop to gain towncred", it's simply "lynching a townie". If Ottox did indeed flip scum, this would make ghost look a lot more townie. But now, it's looking likely once again for Ghost being scum.
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Now, I'm assuming you've read my previous case. Now we can continue on that case from where we left off.
Previous to this, he was criticizing me for having a town(ish) read on Ottox, who flipped town. He then attempts to brush this off as "I wish you made better cases". As if you made any good ones either Ghost.
If you think Mattchew is telling the truth, you lynch Sentinel. The only reason you wouldn't is if you think the person you're voting for is goon, which he is not if you believe Matt's claim. Not to mention suggesting st.daniels is scum is scummy. Actually pushing it is townie. Matt suggested it, making it look like he was scumhunting. But that will come later with the Mattchew Case. And as I've pointed out, Matt didn't actually push Risen until quite a bit after he "shot Risen".
Do you actually think we have a few days? We are at LyLO. That means if we mislynch we lose. We can't afford compromises in LyLO. You're asking for all towns votes on neither Sent nor Matt. As far as I'm concerned, if we lynch today we should have a 50% chance at least. Asking for a smaller chance (as town) doesn't make sense. If you know Risen is town, it makes sense though.
as pointed out, lol. that's basically a scum claim imo. i hate scum claims but really? Saying "oh yeah that post was scummy, sorry bout that!" isn't townie. That's scum trying to cover up their mistakes. Town would say their mindset in saying those things, scum wouldn't.
You aren't pushing either Sent or Matt either....
All this boils down to Ghost lynching every possible town and he is trying to lynch one now. Guess who he's voting now? Risen.
PS we're at mylo, not lylo, so why don't we no-lynch? we'll have a smaller pool of players to choose scum from and it gives sent another chance to prove his claim true
I'm relooking into my other 2 scum but I'm pretty confident in Ghost scum.
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Before I get into the actual case, I'd like to address something. Ghost supported lynching a lot of people that flipped Green. But it's not only that. He consistently either says BM or St.Daniel are bad lynches, or avoids talking about them altogether.
On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.
I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".
VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.
I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".
VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.
On April 23 2012 02:17 ghost_403 wrote:
@mattchew: But hes cahrazy, don't vote him.
Bill Murray is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it over there and leaving the town alone. VE is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it in such a way that the town cannot function efficiently. Disruptive insane play is far more lynch worthy than weird incomprehensible im-gonna-do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want play.
@paqman: If a vig shoots BM and he doesn't die, it makes sense that the vig would claim it in thread. A jail keeper would be forced to admit to jailing BM in thread, but I can't see that happening. If the vig claim is true, we lynch BM and he flips GF. If it's not, BM flips town, and the next day we lynch the counterclaiming scum. Win-win.
@mattchew: But hes cahrazy, don't vote him.
Bill Murray is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it over there and leaving the town alone. VE is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it in such a way that the town cannot function efficiently. Disruptive insane play is far more lynch worthy than weird incomprehensible im-gonna-do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want play.
@paqman: If a vig shoots BM and he doesn't die, it makes sense that the vig would claim it in thread. A jail keeper would be forced to admit to jailing BM in thread, but I can't see that happening. If the vig claim is true, we lynch BM and he flips GF. If it's not, BM flips town, and the next day we lynch the counterclaiming scum. Win-win.
On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote:
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.
The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.
@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.
The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.
@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?
On April 24 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote:
StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch.
@marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on.
StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch.
@marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on.
On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.
##vote ottoxlol
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.
##vote ottoxlol
On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote:
This post ended up orders of magnitudes longer than I intended. I have no idea how Ottoxlol has gotten away with being so scummy in this game for so long. Spoilers for your convenience and easy referencing.
(1) His content is almost completely filler.
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(2) He almost completely ignores St.Daniels throughout the entire game.
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(3) He makes stupidly scummy posts.
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This post is so scummy that any veteran player would have been immediately lynched. I was pretty happy to give him the n00b pass, but I don't think that's a good idea. In this post,
How gloriously scummy.
How did we get here?
You think Johnny is kinda sorta maybe sheeping because he doesn't give out any strong reads one way or the other (which is, ironically, the same thing that you're doing), and therefore he's scum. So what made you change your mind?
Johnny was sheeping away from you. Hey, isn't that why you wanted to lynch him in the first place?
"Don't blame me if the guy we flip isn't scum, because I'm just voting for not-me." This is such a terribly scummy post, it's not even funny. Mafia pro-tip: vote to lynch scum.
(4) He has completely sheeped on the last two lynches.
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Frankly, it's embarassing that the town has let Ottoxlol live this long in the game. As soon as tomorrow hits, I'm voting to lynch him for the third day in a row, and I hope this time, we can get a sucessful lynch and get this scum out of the game.
This post ended up orders of magnitudes longer than I intended. I have no idea how Ottoxlol has gotten away with being so scummy in this game for so long. Spoilers for your convenience and easy referencing.
(1) His content is almost completely filler.
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First of all, I would like to address the glaring fact that his filter has nothing of content in it. 7 pages. 7 pages, and I have almost nothing to say about them. They are mostly one liners and him giving excuses for everything that he does. It would be so much easier to prove that he was scum if he would just do something, anything. Unfortunately for him, at this point his lack of content now paints him as scum. 7 pages, and no content? Scum trying to pass off as useful without actually helping the town.
(2) He almost completely ignores St.Daniels throughout the entire game.
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It's interesting that now he claims that I soft defended StDaniels. It's the fourth time this game he's mentioned him. When were the first three?
I'm soft defending him by stating that I'm ignoring someone en route to being modkilled? No, I'm not going to even discuss someone who's not playing. It's a waste of time. What's your excuse for ignoring him literally the entire game?
- [Day 1] St.Daniel one post, + Show Spoiler + Loved that part, i feel like only scum would have drawn that way, if VE and [UoN]Sentinel can defend themselves I will vote him.
- [Day 2] Lot of people suggested Sent/Zeph, marv posted about Brood and St. Daniel.
- [Day 2] BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all.
I'm soft defending him by stating that I'm ignoring someone en route to being modkilled? No, I'm not going to even discuss someone who's not playing. It's a waste of time. What's your excuse for ignoring him literally the entire game?
(3) He makes stupidly scummy posts.
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On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
Ok, post it when you got it drawn. I feel like the pressure is on me because I did not make any useful post d2, and i feel its really unfair when no one really did so.
I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair.
Ok, post it when you got it drawn. I feel like the pressure is on me because I did not make any useful post d2, and i feel its really unfair when no one really did so.
I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair.
This post is so scummy that any veteran player would have been immediately lynched. I was pretty happy to give him the n00b pass, but I don't think that's a good idea. In this post,
- he gives himself an excuse for not contributing to the town
- claims that everyone else in the town is useless
- advocates lynching into the VE bandwagon "for information" without indicating who on the bandwagon is scummy
- claims that lynching one half of a pair will somehow magically reveal the alignment of the other half
How gloriously scummy.
How did we get here?
On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
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johnnywup
I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny.
##Vote: johnnywup
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johnnywup
I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny.
##Vote: johnnywup
You think Johnny is kinda sorta maybe sheeping because he doesn't give out any strong reads one way or the other (which is, ironically, the same thing that you're doing), and therefore he's scum. So what made you change your mind?
On April 26 2012 05:29 Ottoxlol wrote:
Because if he would be scum he wouldn't try to sway ppl from my vote (if zeph or sent is scum).
Because if he would be scum he wouldn't try to sway ppl from my vote (if zeph or sent is scum).
Johnny was sheeping away from you. Hey, isn't that why you wanted to lynch him in the first place?
On April 26 2012 05:33 Ottoxlol wrote:
My vote was wasted on him anyways because no one is voting for him. Since I am the vote leader atm, I have to vote for the 2nd guy, even if I feel like someone is more likely to be scum.
My vote was wasted on him anyways because no one is voting for him. Since I am the vote leader atm, I have to vote for the 2nd guy, even if I feel like someone is more likely to be scum.
"Don't blame me if the guy we flip isn't scum, because I'm just voting for not-me." This is such a terribly scummy post, it's not even funny. Mafia pro-tip: vote to lynch scum.
(4) He has completely sheeped on the last two lynches.
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This segues nicely into my next problem with Ottoxlol: His voting patterns.
But why he voted the way he did was much more interesting.
His reasons for voting VE have been beaten to death, so I'm not going to discuss it too much here.
For voting Zeph:
But wait! That doesn't say anything about why he's voting Zeph! You are an astute reader! I can't find it. Ottoxlol has no reason to vote Zeph, other than to sheep with the town.
For voting MG:
Another sheeping! "Here's someone else's case I found moderately compelling, and here's something that is kinda scummy." Well, MG flipped green and he's right. We found scum pushing for his lynch today.
- Day 1: VisceraEyes
- Day 2: Zephridd
- Day 3: MidnightGladius
But why he voted the way he did was much more interesting.
His reasons for voting VE have been beaten to death, so I'm not going to discuss it too much here.
For voting Zeph:
On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
I have to
##vote Zephirdd
The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.
But wait! That doesn't say anything about why he's voting Zeph! You are an astute reader! I can't find it. Ottoxlol has no reason to vote Zeph, other than to sheep with the town.
For voting MG:
On April 28 2012 07:19 Ottoxlol wrote:
BM on MG
also this post
I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals.
##vote MidnightGladius
BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all.
ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information
BM on MG
also this post
I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals.
##vote MidnightGladius
BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all.
ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information
Another sheeping! "Here's someone else's case I found moderately compelling, and here's something that is kinda scummy." Well, MG flipped green and he's right. We found scum pushing for his lynch today.
Frankly, it's embarassing that the town has let Ottoxlol live this long in the game. As soon as tomorrow hits, I'm voting to lynch him for the third day in a row, and I hope this time, we can get a sucessful lynch and get this scum out of the game.
On April 30 2012 10:56 ghost_403 wrote:
##vote ottoxlol
I buy Sentinel's claim, lest someone else would like to counterclaim. Too bad, I was sure ottoxlol was a goon. This means I have to reconsider the whole Risen conspiracy
It was such an elegant plan.
##vote ottoxlol
I buy Sentinel's claim, lest someone else would like to counterclaim. Too bad, I was sure ottoxlol was a goon. This means I have to reconsider the whole Risen conspiracy
It was such an elegant plan.
I'll rephrase all this: "Anyone down for lynching Townies and not lynching BM or St.Daniel?"
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Now, onto to the actual case. First, a trip down memory lane, where we have ghost's response to my previous case. I dismissed it as a good defense, but after the ottox lynch it makes him look even scummier than before.
Since it's not a bus, pushing ottox so hard makes sense as scum. It's not "constantly bussing your scum mate for a week non stop to gain towncred", it's simply "lynching a townie". If Ottox did indeed flip scum, this would make ghost look a lot more townie. But now, it's looking likely once again for Ghost being scum.
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On May 01 2012 23:45 ghost_403 wrote:
Okay, so let's see what terrible things people have been saying about me.
For reference, the case by johnnywup and the case by BroodKingEXE.
Johnny's case against me boils down to four points.
All of these points are easily addressed.
Okay, so let's see what terrible things people have been saying about me.
For reference, the case by johnnywup and the case by BroodKingEXE.
Johnny's case against me boils down to four points.
- Soft defending BM and attacking VE
- Kinda-sorta-almost-not really flipflopping on Risen
- Bad case on Sentinel
- Claiming I'm bussing Ottoxlol
All of these points are easily addressed.
- I have a history of defending insane players. (For reference, Aperture mafia and TL LI, soon to be added to my profile. Gotta use that thing for something.) Insane players are statistically not scum, and I see people who push for lynching insane players as scummy. They make the perfect target for the scum to push a mislynch. The perfect example of this is Zealos in TL LI. On Day 2, I asked him who he wanted to lynch. His reply was Kenpachi because he's nuts. That's not scum hunting, and a huge tell that he's not actually looking for scum. (Zealos ended up flipping scum.) However, I almost always advocate vig'ing these players. They are not helping the town, and area huge liability later on in the game, and very dangerous if they are in fact scum. See Bill Murray this game.
As far as attacking VE, I stand by it. VE played exceptionally poorly this game, and deserved to be lynched for what he did. It's regrettable that he flipped blue, but I stand by my decision. If you are playing scummy, I am going to vote to lynch you. - Here is the post that JW referenced. Here is why I started considering a Risen lynch. What was going on was Risen was claiming that he was against a Marv lynch, while he actually said (in this thread) that he was going to vote for him. His defense was that he didn't actually vote in the voting thread, and somehow this abdicates his responsibility in this situation. In my book, this ranks as scummy-as-hell, and that's why I was considering a Risen lynch. I had forgotten about that incident, thanks for bringing it up. We should lynch Risen tomorrow, after Ottoxlol flips red.
- On Day 1, I wrote a subpar case on a lurking player who had been acting scummy. I regret nothing. Sentinel's play has improved since then, perhaps because I called him out. If Sentinel had continued to do the same thing, that subpar case would have been an excellent starting point for pursuing a lynch.
- Your theory is that I've been bussing my scummate for a week now, non stop, to gain towncred? Well, stranger things have happened. Assuming we both were scum, I think that doing that would be suboptimal at best, but there's really no way to prove that until after we both flip. However, I would like to point out that I have been probably the loudest voice for lynching Ottoxlol for the last week, and I think quite a few people would agree that my case against him is what finally pushed the town over the edge. If I was scum, that sounds like a foolish thing to do.
- Numbah 5, because I love you guys so much <3
My "marv, flip town" post was a direct response to the fact that blzinghand promised to eat his hat should Marv flip town. I have yet to see blzinghand eat his hat. If I were iGrok, I would revive him, then modkill him again for failing to eat his hat.
Now, I'm assuming you've read my previous case. Now we can continue on that case from where we left off.
On May 02 2012 10:04 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, I wish you had come up with a better reason for not lynching him than "My gut tells me this is wrong." Maybe then we could have avoided it for the third day in a row.
Well, I wish you had come up with a better reason for not lynching him than "My gut tells me this is wrong." Maybe then we could have avoided it for the third day in a row.
Previous to this, he was criticizing me for having a town(ish) read on Ottox, who flipped town. He then attempts to brush this off as "I wish you made better cases". As if you made any good ones either Ghost.
On May 03 2012 23:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred.
In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen.
The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game.
I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there.
@mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen.
I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred.
In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen.
The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game.
I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there.
@mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen.
If you think Mattchew is telling the truth, you lynch Sentinel. The only reason you wouldn't is if you think the person you're voting for is goon, which he is not if you believe Matt's claim. Not to mention suggesting st.daniels is scum is scummy. Actually pushing it is townie. Matt suggested it, making it look like he was scumhunting. But that will come later with the Mattchew Case. And as I've pointed out, Matt didn't actually push Risen until quite a bit after he "shot Risen".
On May 04 2012 07:54 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch.
We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location.
I think lynching Risen is the best option.
Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both?
Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us.
@paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch.
We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location.
I think lynching Risen is the best option.
Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both?
Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us.
Do you actually think we have a few days? We are at LyLO. That means if we mislynch we lose. We can't afford compromises in LyLO. You're asking for all towns votes on neither Sent nor Matt. As far as I'm concerned, if we lynch today we should have a 50% chance at least. Asking for a smaller chance (as town) doesn't make sense. If you know Risen is town, it makes sense though.
On May 04 2012 08:14 ghost_403 wrote:
I've had a scum read on you all game, Risen. Don't believe me? Check my filter. Today, I am voting to lynch scum. As a bonus, it gives me more time to figure out which one of them is lying.
The reason that I want a compromise is this. This is lylo, which means that if the town doesn't work together, it loses. I want a compromise so that the scum agree to work with us, and can't screw up our lynch at the last possible moment.
Also, you're right. That post looks scummy as fuck. Don't blame you for pointing that out.
I've had a scum read on you all game, Risen. Don't believe me? Check my filter. Today, I am voting to lynch scum. As a bonus, it gives me more time to figure out which one of them is lying.
The reason that I want a compromise is this. This is lylo, which means that if the town doesn't work together, it loses. I want a compromise so that the scum agree to work with us, and can't screw up our lynch at the last possible moment.
Also, you're right. That post looks scummy as fuck. Don't blame you for pointing that out.
as pointed out, lol. that's basically a scum claim imo. i hate scum claims but really? Saying "oh yeah that post was scummy, sorry bout that!" isn't townie. That's scum trying to cover up their mistakes. Town would say their mindset in saying those things, scum wouldn't.
On May 04 2012 08:42 ghost_403 wrote:
What I find most interesting is the fact that Risen isn't really pushing us to lynch either Sentinel or Mattchew. If he was really town, wouldn't he say "You two are stupid, obviously this one is scum"? After all, lynching a town Risen would lose the town the game. We have to get this lynch right, and Risen's not helping us do that.
What I find most interesting is the fact that Risen isn't really pushing us to lynch either Sentinel or Mattchew. If he was really town, wouldn't he say "You two are stupid, obviously this one is scum"? After all, lynching a town Risen would lose the town the game. We have to get this lynch right, and Risen's not helping us do that.
You aren't pushing either Sent or Matt either....
All this boils down to Ghost lynching every possible town and he is trying to lynch one now. Guess who he's voting now? Risen.
PS we're at mylo, not lylo, so why don't we no-lynch? we'll have a smaller pool of players to choose scum from and it gives sent another chance to prove his claim true
I can get down with a no lynch but I would bet almost everything that scum would hold their kill again leaving us in the exact same spot tomorrow
