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PaqMan
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also i think he meant to say gf, based on the context of his sentence. Also, I'm still writing. This case is gonna take forever x.x | ||
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PaqMan
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On May 04 2012 11:32 johnnywup wrote: refresh and i see that. im not talking about his "scumslip", im talking about your reaction, paq. i think its much more likely that town isn't aware that theres only 3 blues than scum being unaware. this is because scum claiming revolves on a 1v1 scum vs blue situation, whereas town blue doesn't necessarily need to know how many other blues there are other than him. also i think he meant to say gf, based on the context of his sentence. Also, I'm still writing. This case is gonna take forever x.x can you make an estimate of how much longer it's going to take? Also I don't understand your post (bolded part). that's the same thing as saying "its much more likely that town is unaware that theres only 3 blues than scum being unaware". Everybody knows that there's only 1 blue, that's what the whole matt-sent bullshit is about. I dont see how Sentinel could accidentally say he believes Mattchew is a vig. He should be aware that he's the only blue alive.(assuming his claim is true) | ||
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On May 04 2012 11:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [...] And I don't believe Mattchew is a goon. I believe he's a vig. It would make more sense, both according to gonzaw's theory and the fact that he gets lynched he flips GF either way [...] it wouldnt make sense to say vig in that context. "he's a vig, makes sense because he flips gf either way!" makes no sense. saying "hes a gf, makes sense because he flips vig either way!" makes a lot more sense. | ||
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PaqMan
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On May 04 2012 12:01 johnnywup wrote: Yes, but it's more likely he's being a stupid town than a stupid scum. Scum looks that stuff over. Everyone should know theres only one blue left, yes. Also it seems obvious he meant GF in that context. it wouldnt make sense to say vig in that context. "he's a vig, makes sense because he flips gf either way!" makes no sense. saying "hes a gf, makes sense because he flips vig either way!" makes a lot more sense. Yes he probably did mean to say gf but how does he accidentally say vig instead? Because he knows his roleclaim is a lie. The bolded part makes no sense whatsoever. gf's don't flip as vig. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:01 johnnywup wrote: Scum looks that stuff over. not careless scum who are in a hurry to go to a party. | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:36 johnnywup wrote: are you really making a case based around psychology? Yes I am. Can you explain how he mixed up and said VIG instead of GF? | ||
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2. Because that's what Matt claimed And I do think Sent's a dumb townie (no offense!) | ||
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On May 04 2012 12:36 johnnywup wrote: are you really making a case based around psychology? this is super ironic considering your reasoning for your vote on BM I just got home from the devils game, I am not 100% sober. Ask me anything. Remember that time that Sent said that he's ok with a Risen lynch? If you believe him, he is OK with lynching someone he does not know to be scum. A town jailkeeper that "blocked" the KP would be pushing BM and only BM. This is why I have said that the choice is between BM and Sent for today's lynch. | ||
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ghost_403 + Show Spoiler + Before I get into the actual case, I'd like to address something. Ghost supported lynching a lot of people that flipped Green. But it's not only that. He consistently either says BM or St.Daniel are bad lynches, or avoids talking about them altogether. On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote: I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane. I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE". VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK. On April 23 2012 02:17 ghost_403 wrote: @mattchew: But hes cahrazy, don't vote him. Bill Murray is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it over there and leaving the town alone. VE is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it in such a way that the town cannot function efficiently. Disruptive insane play is far more lynch worthy than weird incomprehensible im-gonna-do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want play. @paqman: If a vig shoots BM and he doesn't die, it makes sense that the vig would claim it in thread. A jail keeper would be forced to admit to jailing BM in thread, but I can't see that happening. If the vig claim is true, we lynch BM and he flips GF. If it's not, BM flips town, and the next day we lynch the counterclaiming scum. Win-win. On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote: Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch. The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too. @ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane? On April 24 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote: StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch. @marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on. On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote: Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol. ##vote ottoxlol On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote: This post ended up orders of magnitudes longer than I intended. I have no idea how Ottoxlol has gotten away with being so scummy in this game for so long. Spoilers for your convenience and easy referencing. (1) His content is almost completely filler. + Show Spoiler + First of all, I would like to address the glaring fact that his filter has nothing of content in it. 7 pages. 7 pages, and I have almost nothing to say about them. They are mostly one liners and him giving excuses for everything that he does. It would be so much easier to prove that he was scum if he would just do something, anything. Unfortunately for him, at this point his lack of content now paints him as scum. 7 pages, and no content? Scum trying to pass off as useful without actually helping the town. (2) He almost completely ignores St.Daniels throughout the entire game. + Show Spoiler + It's interesting that now he claims that I soft defended StDaniels. It's the fourth time this game he's mentioned him. When were the first three?
I'm soft defending him by stating that I'm ignoring someone en route to being modkilled? No, I'm not going to even discuss someone who's not playing. It's a waste of time. What's your excuse for ignoring him literally the entire game? (3) He makes stupidly scummy posts. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote: Ok, post it when you got it drawn. I feel like the pressure is on me because I did not make any useful post d2, and i feel its really unfair when no one really did so. I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair. This post is so scummy that any veteran player would have been immediately lynched. I was pretty happy to give him the n00b pass, but I don't think that's a good idea. In this post,
How gloriously scummy. How did we get here? On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote: [...] johnnywup I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny. ##Vote: johnnywup You think Johnny is kinda sorta maybe sheeping because he doesn't give out any strong reads one way or the other (which is, ironically, the same thing that you're doing), and therefore he's scum. So what made you change your mind? On April 26 2012 05:29 Ottoxlol wrote: Because if he would be scum he wouldn't try to sway ppl from my vote (if zeph or sent is scum). Johnny was sheeping away from you. Hey, isn't that why you wanted to lynch him in the first place? On April 26 2012 05:33 Ottoxlol wrote: My vote was wasted on him anyways because no one is voting for him. Since I am the vote leader atm, I have to vote for the 2nd guy, even if I feel like someone is more likely to be scum. "Don't blame me if the guy we flip isn't scum, because I'm just voting for not-me." This is such a terribly scummy post, it's not even funny. Mafia pro-tip: vote to lynch scum. (4) He has completely sheeped on the last two lynches. + Show Spoiler + This segues nicely into my next problem with Ottoxlol: His voting patterns.
But why he voted the way he did was much more interesting. His reasons for voting VE have been beaten to death, so I'm not going to discuss it too much here. For voting Zeph: On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote: I have to ##vote Zephirdd The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools. But wait! That doesn't say anything about why he's voting Zeph! You are an astute reader! I can't find it. Ottoxlol has no reason to vote Zeph, other than to sheep with the town. For voting MG: On April 28 2012 07:19 Ottoxlol wrote: BM on MG also this post I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals. ##vote MidnightGladius BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all. ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information Another sheeping! "Here's someone else's case I found moderately compelling, and here's something that is kinda scummy." Well, MG flipped green and he's right. We found scum pushing for his lynch today. Frankly, it's embarassing that the town has let Ottoxlol live this long in the game. As soon as tomorrow hits, I'm voting to lynch him for the third day in a row, and I hope this time, we can get a sucessful lynch and get this scum out of the game. On April 30 2012 10:56 ghost_403 wrote: ##vote ottoxlol I buy Sentinel's claim, lest someone else would like to counterclaim. Too bad, I was sure ottoxlol was a goon. This means I have to reconsider the whole Risen conspiracy  It was such an elegant plan. I'll rephrase all this: "Anyone down for lynching Townies and not lynching BM or St.Daniel?" + Show Spoiler + Now, onto to the actual case. First, a trip down memory lane, where we have ghost's response to my previous case. I dismissed it as a good defense, but after the ottox lynch it makes him look even scummier than before. Since it's not a bus, pushing ottox so hard makes sense as scum. It's not "constantly bussing your scum mate for a week non stop to gain towncred", it's simply "lynching a townie". If Ottox did indeed flip scum, this would make ghost look a lot more townie. But now, it's looking likely once again for Ghost being scum. + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2012 23:45 ghost_403 wrote: Okay, so let's see what terrible things people have been saying about me. For reference, the case by johnnywup and the case by BroodKingEXE. Johnny's case against me boils down to four points.
All of these points are easily addressed.
Now, I'm assuming you've read my previous case. Now we can continue on that case from where we left off. On May 02 2012 10:04 ghost_403 wrote: Well, I wish you had come up with a better reason for not lynching him than "My gut tells me this is wrong." Maybe then we could have avoided it for the third day in a row. Previous to this, he was criticizing me for having a town(ish) read on Ottox, who flipped town. He then attempts to brush this off as "I wish you made better cases". As if you made any good ones either Ghost. On May 03 2012 23:19 ghost_403 wrote: I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred. In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen. The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game. I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there. @mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen. If you think Mattchew is telling the truth, you lynch Sentinel. The only reason you wouldn't is if you think the person you're voting for is goon, which he is not if you believe Matt's claim. Not to mention suggesting st.daniels is scum is scummy. Actually pushing it is townie. Matt suggested it, making it look like he was scumhunting. But that will come later with the Mattchew Case. And as I've pointed out, Matt didn't actually push Risen until quite a bit after he "shot Risen". On May 04 2012 07:54 ghost_403 wrote: @paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch. We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location. I think lynching Risen is the best option. Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both? Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us. Do you actually think we have a few days? We are at LyLO. That means if we mislynch we lose. We can't afford compromises in LyLO. You're asking for all towns votes on neither Sent nor Matt. As far as I'm concerned, if we lynch today we should have a 50% chance at least. Asking for a smaller chance (as town) doesn't make sense. If you know Risen is town, it makes sense though. On May 04 2012 08:14 ghost_403 wrote: I've had a scum read on you all game, Risen. Don't believe me? Check my filter. Today, I am voting to lynch scum. As a bonus, it gives me more time to figure out which one of them is lying. The reason that I want a compromise is this. This is lylo, which means that if the town doesn't work together, it loses. I want a compromise so that the scum agree to work with us, and can't screw up our lynch at the last possible moment. Also, you're right. That post looks scummy as fuck. Don't blame you for pointing that out. as pointed out, lol. that's basically a scum claim imo. i hate scum claims but really? Saying "oh yeah that post was scummy, sorry bout that!" isn't townie. That's scum trying to cover up their mistakes. Town would say their mindset in saying those things, scum wouldn't. On May 04 2012 08:42 ghost_403 wrote: What I find most interesting is the fact that Risen isn't really pushing us to lynch either Sentinel or Mattchew. If he was really town, wouldn't he say "You two are stupid, obviously this one is scum"? After all, lynching a town Risen would lose the town the game. We have to get this lynch right, and Risen's not helping us do that. You aren't pushing either Sent or Matt either.... All this boils down to Ghost lynching every possible town and he is trying to lynch one now. Guess who he's voting now? Risen. PS we're at mylo, not lylo, so why don't we no-lynch? we'll have a smaller pool of players to choose scum from and it gives sent another chance to prove his claim true | ||
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