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btw, I don't think it's that obvious to everyone that I picked you just for that.
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
##unvote btw, I don't think it's that obvious to everyone that I picked you just for that. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:01 KharadBanar wrote: btw, I don't think it's that obvious to everyone that I picked you just for that. It was pretty obvious.  Welcome to the party, Hiro. I'll give you a few minutes to read through the thread, but I'm interested in your thoughts on our policy discussions and such so far. The more discussion we have the better off we are. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
LaL seems to be a standard play. I'm all for lynching liars above all else. It sets a good tone that we won't allow scum to get away with it either. What do you mean by this? You say that lynching lying townies scares scum? I don't follow. | ||
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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KharadBanar
Austria463 Posts
Now I don't want to leave again... But seriously, I'm way too tired for this. See you in about 12 hours! | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:46 vonKlaust wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2012 09:37 BroodKingEXE wrote: He should be open about pressure voting! If he is going to pressure vote shouldn't we know as a town? That way we know that KB is thinks Hiro is not scum and that he isn't throwing his vote around randomly (like a scum). To be honest, I just read "A General Guide to Mafia" and on the subject of pressure voting it says: So what I was thinking was that it would be better to wait for a while, since it's pretty natural for people not to have posted yet, and putting out a vote later when the person you're pressuring have actually made posts which you can use in your pressure-attempt. I can't imagine that you would feel very pressured by the kind of pressure vote KharadBanar made. Thinking about it, what you say makes sense though. I guess throwing votes around seemingly lighly is a pretty good way to get lynched yourself. I disagree with some of the things in this guide(for example theorycraft which can get very WIFOM). My idea of a pressure vote is that it elicits a response from the target. It doesn't really matter if Hiro knows or not, if KB has his vote on Hiro, he will die if he doesn't respond. Like you agreed its better we all know KB's intentions rather than making assumptions. | ||
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ArcticFox
United States1092 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:17 HiroPro wrote: What do you mean by this? You say that lynching lying townies scares scum? I don't follow. It means that if we allow townies to lie without getting lynched, it sets a bad premise, as it allows scum to lie since that's "the new way to seem town." If we say to lynch liars, town won't lie, and the only liars left will be scum. Copied directly from the newbie guide, because he explains it better I think: "Don't lie, because if you do lie, you'll get lynched due to a metagame policy called Lynch all Liars. The policy is put in place to try to encourage townies not to lie. If we automatically lynch everyone who lies, the hope is that the townies would no longer lie so that the only liars are mafia." I would prefer not to have to policy lynch at all, but liars and lurkers is a good place to start if we don't have any solid scumreads by the end of Day 1. So in short -- more people should post so we have more information to go on and can avoid a policy lynch. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:17 HiroPro wrote: What do you mean by this? You say that lynching lying townies scares scum? I don't follow. Townies shouldn't be lying, what do they have to gain by that? If you see a lie you call it out to illicit a response. We have a better chance at getting a response if the liar feels pressured to respond. A a liar or a lurker is more likely to be scum so we target them if we don't have any reads by the end of today. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:49 Dittert wrote: All very good points that I did not think about prior to posting. I was just trying to get things flowing. As someone pointed out earlier, I saw someone suggest a seemingly "random" lynch in a couple other games, and in all of those cases the person doing the suggesting ended up getting lynched and being a townie. I thought this way we could get a discussion about lynching someone started without having to necessarily lynch whoever did the suggesting. I feel it's okay if I have a terrible idea, with this being my first game of mafia in my whole life, and all... We're all newbies at this game, why duck responsibility for your statement? And the discussion was already rolling why did you feel the need to redirect the topic? Trying to establish yourself as the topic starter after an active discussion was already going on: feels a little scummy to me. | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
I can't think of a more pointless discussion than the one we are having now. It is being led by Broodking, Kharadbanar, and Dittert. I have the most confidence in willz and to a slightly lesser extent arctic. I'm not sure what we SHOULD be discussing since no investigation abilities have gone out yet, but I doubt this is it. Getting people to talk just for the sake of it is great but my fear is that this discussion will bleed into day 2 when we will have some actual information. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:43 yomi wrote: Hi I just got back from lifting. I can't think of a more pointless discussion than the one we are having now. It is being led by Broodking, Kharadbanar, and Dittert. I have the most confidence in willz and to a slightly lesser extent arctic. I'm not sure what we SHOULD be discussing since no investigation abilities have gone out yet, but I doubt this is it. Getting people to talk just for the sake of it is great but my fear is that this discussion will bleed into day 2 when we will have some actual information. This is your first post, yet you do nothing to contribute. Why should we stop the discussion, it seems like people are already forming opinions on people based on the "pointless" discussion. Instead of trying to stop the talk, why dont you look over what has already been said and start forming ideas about the tone of the responses. | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:56 BroodKingEXE wrote: This is your first post, yet you do nothing to contribute. Why should we stop the discussion, it seems like people are already forming opinions on people based on the "pointless" discussion. Instead of trying to stop the talk, why dont you look over what has already been said and start forming ideas about the tone of the responses. nothing to contribute? I am one of the only people to post something substantive, specific, and concrete. I have looked over what's been said and formed ideas. For example I think you are mafia. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 12 2012 12:31 yomi wrote: nothing to contribute? I am one of the only people to post something substantive, specific, and concrete. I have looked over what's been said and formed ideas. For example I think you are mafia. Anyone who has spoken so far has obviously contributed as you have developed an opinion off our posts. At least you have moved the discussion onto a more directed plane. Something I dont understand is why you think Dittert has contributed all that much. Others have seemed to post more about the topics than him (he tried to redirect the topic, but has done nothing since then). Speaking up more is more of a townie behavior. Mafia will want to stay in the shadows, so as to not give away any information. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 12 2012 09:57 HiroPro wrote: I'm not an idiot Kharad. Also, lol @ anyone who thinks Kharad's vote is random. He picked me because he wants to compare the response from last game to this game. And this entire conversation about how and when to pressure vote is pointless, considering it's already been done in this game. It doesn't make sense. If KB can see a difference in tone helps the town figure out if he is scum. I want to Hiro to tell us why he isn't scum. Until then I'm going to continue to think he is scum. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Hello all just woke up and read through the thread so far. I'm kind of worried that a load of time was wasted discussing RNG votes. It seems a bit like Dittert was sending us down a bad path. I'm not sure if that's due to scummyness or newbness but it's definitely something to watch out for. As for Kharad's pressure vote on Hiro it makes sense if he is trying to get a read on him based on info from a previous game. I'm guessing he isn't that suspicious of him after his answer due to the unvote. Finally on lurker votes I'll reiterate what I said in my last game that lurker votes should be a last resort because you have a fair chance of lynching a blue that is hiding in the shadows. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
I strongly disagree with people saying this discussion has been "idle chat" or "pointless discussion". There's only so much you can do 7 hours into the game, but what I've got from these posts has been VERY useful: in fact, after reading all the posts in one go, I'm already ready to cast a vote (not just a fake pressure like KharadBanar). The person I want to lynch the most right now is: ArcticFox. Here is what I got from his filter so far: On April 12 2012 08:34 ArcticFox wrote: Let's not waste Day 1. Too many times I've seen people say it's not important. We can find out plenty as long as everyone posts. Please be active so we don't waste our first lynch on a bored townie. The sooner everyone posts, the sooner we can get to the real scumhunting. On the surface this looks like friendly advice to fellow townies, but this is EXACTLY the kind of posting I did on A Game of Thrones Mafia as a Mafia Framer. His attitude seems like he wants to appear useful, but he doesn't really say anything useful - the opposite of actual townies who want to be useful, but don't care as much about their appearance. The overall feel I get from this post is "please don't lynch me, I'm being useful!" On April 12 2012 08:58 ArcticFox wrote: I hope our blues this game are as clever as you were that game, KB. Discussion is good. Idle chat is not. As you newer people confirm, please post shortly after with your thoughts on these policies as well. First of all: why discuss about blue roles at all? This is the same mistake I did in A Game of Thrones Mafia - we kept talking about blue roles in the Mafia chat, so subconsciously I mentioned possibilities about the blue roles even in the normal thread. And what do you mean with "idle chat is not good"? So far this "idle chat" has been very useful (certainly much more useful than silence or the trolling/flaming we had in A Game of Thrones Mafia...). Also, you keep mentioning policies, which is something Mafia loves to do - you can appear somewhat useful without actually contributing anything. On April 12 2012 09:21 ArcticFox wrote: Verrrrry WIFOM reasoning. Be careful of that. It sounds logical, but discussing motive rarely leads anywhere. What if scum decides to bus? What if someone jumps up to defend because they think RNG is silly, or they have a blue read on him? This line of reasoning leads nowhere fast, and it's best to ignore it. You're tripping my scum-o-meter pretty hard right now. Got any better suggestions? There he goes again, talking about blue roles. It's too bad it probably ends now after I mention this, but I would have wanted to see how many times he can talk about blue roles / blue reads during the game, since this is the second time already in only 7 hours... And if you think Dittert is Mafia, why not vote for him or even put any real pressure on him? It looks like you just want to fake pressure an obvious target (a suspiciously acting townie) or put some distance between yourself and a fellow Mafia (if he gets lynched, you can claim you "pushed for his lynch" all along). On April 12 2012 10:28 ArcticFox wrote: I would prefer not to have to policy lynch at all, but liars and lurkers is a good place to start if we don't have any solid scumreads by the end of Day 1. So in short -- more people should post so we have more information to go on and can avoid a policy lynch. You look like you want to make a policy lynch, since you keep talking about policies, but still try to appear as if you "want" to lynch a Mafia player (if something too obvious comes along and you have to bus your teammate). I got a pretty solid Mafia read already in just a matter of hours, so this discussion is definitely not "useless"... ##Vote: ArcticFox Other people I'm going to keep a close watch on: Dittert, yomi. Neither have contributed to the thread, but still tried to appear "active" enough to avoid being lynched. yomi even had a strange OMGUS reaction to BroodKingEXE after being suspected, without ANYTHING to back up his counter-suspicion. Also, this: On April 12 2012 09:49 Dittert wrote: I feel it's okay if I have a terrible idea, with this being my first game of mafia in my whole life, and all... Exactly the same kind of tactic I employed in A Game of Thrones Mafia... You want to apologize for your mistakes and noobish play (why would a townie ever need the urge to make a public apology?!) to make people think of you as a noob townie. I can feel the fear and hesitation pouring from this post. I would also want to hear your opinion, Acrofales. You were VERY active and talkative in A Game of Thrones Mafia, but so far you have been inactive. What do you think about my case on ArcticFox? Do you have your own Mafia reads that I might have missed? | ||
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