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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On April 11 2012 11:27 EchelonTee wrote: @Jdub Mafia have 3 KP. I shot, so that means 4KP is accounted for. One more shot had to have come from a Vig, either scum or town aligned, for 5 to be accounted for. We don't know if Jackal or sputnik.theory managed to get their shots off as they didn't claim. Also, TL L had 4 vigilantes for 50 players. 3 vigilantes for 30 players is a slightly higher ratio, but considering the possibility of Mafia medic or vig (L had JOAT possible, but were 0 in the game), 3 or even 4 town vigs could be possible. If you think I am lying about being a town aligned vig, then have at me. I think it's very possible you're lying. I'm thinking its possible that you're scum that said you'd shoot michaelthe, but used it as part of mafia KP, to make it seem like you killed him. I think it's very possible for you to be scum. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Kenpachi
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Thoughts on more players are coming soon. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On April 11 2012 11:59 johnnywup wrote: I think it's very possible you're lying. I'm thinking its possible that you're scum that said you'd shoot michaelthe, but used it as part of mafia KP, to make it seem like you killed him. I think it's very possible for you to be scum. I really doubt this. Mafia only have 3 KP and I don't think anybody would choose to vig Sloosh/MG/Jackal over some of the other players. ET is extremely likely town at this point. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
VE, can you link us some games you've played as scum? At least 3+ games if possible. For some reason I can't search past 10 pages, and all of your recent games have been town. On WBG.... the latter half of his D1 play resembles how he looked in DF2(town), so there's that. I wouldn't put it past him to make big plays as scum, so even if Hassy flips red at sometime it doesn't clear WBG. WBG's scum play is fairly dangerous, but I wouldn't be pushing him atm as I feel he has been pretty townie. Can't ignore him, though. My head is spinning atm and I've got 2 term papers to write. Here are some thoughts about what can be done at this moment, I'll expand when I get back. 1. The Janaan vs. Hassybaby wagons. It's strange that the Hassy wagon was formed pretty much out of the blue by WBG, yet one of the main people against the vote switch, michealthe, flipped town so the resistance wasn't a fully concentrated effort to stop an attack on Hassy. I was planning on pushing Hassybaby hard today if micheal flipped red, but atm, the question of is Hassybaby scum should be on everyone's mind. 2. What is up with VE, and to some extent BH: I've seen both be loud, spammy, confident. While BH has been partly like his past town games, VE hasn't been at all. However have either pushed forth scum agendas actively? sloosh and jackal are two known good town players (sloosh belongs to be in the conversation, imo), so it makes sense that they were shot in that respect, but as time goes on, VE and BH should be under scrutiny. 3. Lurking?? Now is the time to halp town: A big problem with town atmosphere atm is that there are a lot of people lurking. I understand that people get busy and it's hard to keep up with a big game like this, but we REALLY NEED to be able to get reads and stances on the major lynch targets of the day. I especially have my eye on Tunkeg and Zealos; both put their votes down on people who had no chance of being lynched. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Whether ET is scum or not, it still means there's 1 unaccounted KP. Either it was made by a scum vig that didn't claim, made by another town vig that hasn't showed up yet, or it was made by Jackal, or maybe even ST (if he vigged someone else and scum killed ST, VERY unlikely). I doubt scum would have a vig that would rise their KP to 4 though, unless it's 1-shot, but still seems unlikely (and I don't think I've ever seen a mafia game with scum vigs). Grack, what are your thoughts on my cases against VE and Toad? And what about my thoughts on wbg? What do you think of wbg? | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:13 EchelonTee wrote: @I think your case on Toad isn't that good; the filter analysis does not conclusively show that Toad is acting scummy. He doesn't seem quite as townie as he did in TL L, but it was a much better environment then. I would say that it is really hard to read Toad because of the way he writes. It's not big and wide like your posting, or savagely ironic like FF, but it's really big and concentrated so it's hard to get intent from him. Overall though, I don't feel like he has been pushing scum agendas or been very disruptive. It's possible that Toad and VE have a scum connection of sorts, but I would be more suspicious of VE overall at this point. He isn't acting at all like he usually does as town. The reason why it's scummy in Toad's circumstance isn't just because it aligns with his meta-- you said it yourself, making a lot of large posts makes it hard to read people. Now gonzaw does this too (making huge posts) but this is his usual meta. Toad doing it is interesting which is why I'm going to vote for him. ##Vote: Toadesstern I g2g but I will look into WBG later. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
On April 11 2012 11:59 johnnywup wrote: I think it's very possible you're lying. I'm thinking its possible that you're scum that said you'd shoot michaelthe, but used it as part of mafia KP, to make it seem like you killed him. I think it's very possible for you to be scum. It is of course possible that I am scum. However, since no other vigs claimed their shots we cannot be sure if Jackal or S.T. managed to get their shots off; I'm not sure that you realize that Vigs can die without shooting, since you think that me shooting would cause there to be 6KP. Vigs aren't compulsive; I'm guessing that Jackal shot S.T, and S.T. didnt shoot (didn't have any scum reads). It's WIFOM whether or not you think I'm lying, but myself claiming a shot on a dead townie doesn't make much sense from a scum perspective. If I was scum and had shot michealthe, I wouldn't have claimed it simply put, and because Mafia vigs are possible, this doesn't give me any town credit in any respect. I'm a regretful town vig, you can believe me or not, but that is the truth. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:13 gonzaw wrote: I doubt scum would have a vig that would rise their KP to 4 though, unless it's 1-shot, but still seems unlikely (and I don't think I've ever seen a mafia game with scum vigs). Avoid assumptions like this. In TL LII JubJub, my scum team had a 2 shot day vig. People were like "caller HAS to be town, giving scum a 2shot day vig is OP". Anything can happen =/ | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Adam and Hassy are good choices for lynch today IMO. I'll be back later (either tonight or tomorrow) with more thoughts as I go back and reread. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I have only read the day post and the posts since then. I'll look at more and post my thoughts. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5202 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
At a guess its because of my small filter, which I have explained, I was sick. If that's not it, then ask me about something I have said and I will answer to the best of my ability as to why I said it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 11 2012 12:36 wherebugsgo wrote: hmmm wtf I lived :/ VE living as well is also really weird. I would've expected at least one of us to die, but I think that this could possibly mean VE is scum. Adam and Hassy are good choices for lynch today IMO. I'll be back later (either tonight or tomorrow) with more thoughts as I go back and reread. I could be convinced to switch to Hassy, but Toad has support and I think I can convince you that he's scum. I'm rereading D1. By my estimation, MidnightGladius was killed to incriminate me specifically. It's the only explanation I can reasonably believe. I think scum killed MG. The fact that you're still alive concerns me, but really only indicates that whoever is "leading" the scumteam is probably inexperienced, and therefore isn't you. That was a disproportional number of blue deaths though... We'll see what a reread brings. I'll explain my vote on Toad and give my other scumreads. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote: That's what I'd like to know. At a guess its because of my small filter, which I have explained, I was sick. If that's not it, then ask me about something I have said and I will answer to the best of my ability as to why I said it. If you were sick enough not to look at a computer screen why not replace out? I don't believe you. I used excuses to lurk all the time when I was scum. Seems like a legit vote to me. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:12 Risen wrote: If you were sick enough not to look at a computer screen why not replace out? I don't believe you. I used excuses to lurk all the time when I was scum. Seems like a legit vote to me. Judging by how many replacements have already happened, I didn't want to put GM in that position. My sickness was passing, so I decided to ride it out rather then request a replacement. If your case against me amounts to "I think you're lying about something that happened in real life", then that is not a case at all, and hardly a 'legit vote'. | ||
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