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On April 10 2012 03:13 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Gonzaw here is what we do and what we don't:
We do lynch people who are faking something, pretending to do think X while actually doing/saying Y.
We do not lynch random people who we think to be bad in a game were 90% of the playerbase is a mixture of some new guys. Sure there might be mafias in there but those guys could very easily be bad townies as well.
Therefore I am discrediting you. I think you're incredible wrong but I think you're honest with it. I'm fine with that for as long as I keep thinking that way.
That's the reason I think ghost is the best lynch imo. I think this guy is faking big time. What does the bolded part have to do with me? Give me your thoughts on Janaan and VE NOW! Really, me and other people find you suspicious because you don't post your thoughts on current events nor take stances, and here you are continuing to avoid posting your thoughts on current events nor taking stances.
Are you kidding me? You asked like 6 guys what they think about me and EVERYONE said they don't think anything you said about me is alignment indicating.
The bolded part has something to do with you because it apparently shows you have no idea what to look for when scumhunting because you think guy-plays-bad = mafia. You said me discrediting you while saying you're looking townish is something weird when it's actually not at all weird. You want me to OMGUS just because of your case that everyone in here agrees is bullshit? Would that make me look townish in your book? I hope not and I desperatly hope that you take a step back an overthink your stance here. You've been tunneling me all day long with no support at all yet you keep on doing that.
Again, that doesn't make you mafia, that makes you stupid and I'm going to quote my very first post
On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:
So I'd really like to have less of those "yo dude, I didn't accuse you in the first place - sure you did - no I didn't - WHAT?!?!" posts as they're pretty useless (useless like wbg's vote) and more of those "that's stupid, stop it" posts (as long as they've got at least a little tiny bit of an explanation so everyone can understand what's going on in your head) and if someone keeps doing stupid things although we told him to stop it we lynch him the next day.
You're going that road right now if you keep on like that. So please, I still think you're a townie. Take a step back and just for once try going after someone else. You've got more than enough resistance on your case about me (as in people telling you it's bullshit / it's a null), yet you keep on and actually tell me there's a couple of people thinking the same way.
About your question on VE and Janaan: I'm going to answer this question and it's going to be the last one I answer for you because you make it sound like I am trying to not answer questions (saying I dodged the question about tunkeg 10 times which is a blatant lie) when in reality I am answering every single question you guys are asking me to a point wbg said he thinks that I should ignore those things and post less. So PLEASE stop pretending I'm ignoring questions when I am not.
VE looks really weird. I don't think his play is off. However I had the same feeling about him in C9++ where I said that I'd probably instalynch VE as a townie based on the fact that he changed his style so weirdly in that game. So it's the same as Tunkeg: I'm getting a weird feeling and I'm not sure if I like that or not. I'd like to give him more time as well as I think I'm pretty decent in figuring out VE. I called him mafia in Storm (SK), I called him mafia in AC (mafia) and I called him a liar who's fakeclaiming on purpose in L which made me think he'd be a mafia in that game. The liar who fakeclaimed was right but the mafia read was wrong. So again, I'd like to see some more from VE to properly understand what I'm seeing from him this game.
Janaan is one of those new guys I've been talking talking about. I never played a game with him and lynching him to me looks like lynching any other scummy lurker. So I'd rather shoot him instead of lynching him as I said earlier but given we've got so many lurkers we might have to lynch into those due to cheer numbers.
I'd rather lynch into people like Ghost and Hassybaby right now. Ghost because I think he's faking. Hassy because he seems to be lurking on purpose. He did 1 or 2 posts d1 (RL d1) and did nothing today. I posted something about him and that he's one of the guys I like to lynch because he's not a classical lurker but rather someone who's barely above that edge of being a lurker. He delurks and responds with
On April 09 2012 23:34 Hassybaby wrote:
A good day to you all. First off, FourFace, I owe you an apology. I believe my opinions of your socialistic tendencies were misleading and I feel the opposite as of now. Since that specific comment, I feel that you have started to show your loyalty t the throne, and i will continue to consider you a valuable member of the court if you do so again.
You raise interesting points about sputnik. I admit, this is my first meeting with the young man, but it does feel like his emphasis on it being his first step into the major social circles of the courts is a setup for later faux pas incidents, and then we will reference back to that little statement, then laugh it off. That irks me greatly.
I am also still not convinced by the intentions of Janaan. His responses to the passivity that he has shown this game has not convinced me. He would be my second choice in our potential imposter list.
And yes Toad, I do agree that my integration has not been at the highest of levels in this party. I assure you that will change as of this moment.
which is still an empty promise he did as he never started to post something after that post except for his EBWOP to vote for someone.
I don't think lynching into lurkers would be bad but I think it's like a shot into the blue to some degree. I think lynching someone like ghost or Hassy would be more of an accurate move rather than shooting into a group of something like 7 or 8 people which mafia can easily manipulate into making us lynch the wrong guys.
However I have yet to see someone tell me what they think about ghost and hassy as people seem to ignore those 2 which is again, only making me feel more comfortable.
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lol got ninjaed. Hassy actually posted.
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The fact that the 2nd candidate for a lynch only has 3 votes on him, yet Tunkeg only has 9 votes on him and doesn't have a majority is very worrying.
I know that if this keeps up, people will start dumping their votes on Tunkeg to "avoid NL" (I know I will) and he'll get a last-minute bandwagon on him which will give us very little information, and on top of that I'm getting the feeling he will flip town of all things (considering the way people are voting for him, and because the people I find suspicious are voting for him with shady reasons).
I'm all for a Janaan switch, but even if Janaan wasn't the lynch, there needs to be more organization with the votes for christs sake; this will only be good for scum.
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@Risen - What makes you think Johnnywup is any more scummy than useless? Is it because earlier he wanted to kill you or what? However, all his recent posts HAVE been him explaining why hes not posting/talking about useless things (flavour over behavioural analysis) and he seems to just drag out useless conversation. Or just post a quick explanation that seems similar to whoever posted before him.
@ET - I would rather a Michael lynch still, but right now it's looking like Tunkeg will flip bad town. With the recent pointing out of Janaans wishy washyness. Making case/ abandoning case, lurking, not giving opinions on anything other than bandwagoning to save his own ass, rather than make a convincing case that will make him both look town and bring discussion towards scumhunting. Also what are your thoughts on michael.
@Sloosh - That connection theory is wayyyy early so WIFOM, and hard to grasp without any flips or solid information at the moment.
Still sticking with Michael for now but would rather a Janaan lynch over a Tunkeg lynch.
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EBWOP: I forgot sputnik who I also think is scummy.
I really think we'd hit scum if we lynched one of these guys. sputnik, johnnywup, katina, michaelthe, zelblade, VE. Those are my top 6 scum reads. Anyone who has read my filter from GoT knows I have no problems lynching stupid people, though. My hesitation for lynching someone stupid, like Tunkeg, is that I messed up with layabout last game b/c I missed a post of his explaining his vote (the reason I had swapped to him is I didn't think he explained his vote). Kind of messed up town from there on out, and when combined with my DT claim and subsequently being lynched b/c of it, borked us. So I'll lynch stupid if it comes down to it, but I don't want to.
Realistically I don't expect people to vote VE. I'd like it, I thought maybe he was just trying to get a bandwagon started on me so he could see who reacted to it but now it just looks like someone trying to start a bandwagon with the full intention of riding it. No one has said anything about zelblade, either, so I don't think pushing that will be very viable either. I'm begging you guys to take a HARD look at sputnik, johnnywup, katina, and michaelthe. Those 4 are my biggest scum reads (I know it's day 1, but maybe if you guys look hard at these 4 and tell me why they aren't as scummy to you as Tunkeg I'll be put at ease)
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On April 10 2012 03:51 Mementoss wrote:
@Risen - What makes you think Johnnywup is any more scummy than useless? Is it because earlier he wanted to kill you or what? However, all his recent posts HAVE been him explaining why hes not posting/talking about useless things (flavour over behavioural analysis) and he seems to just drag out useless conversation. Or just post a quick explanation that seems similar to whoever posted before him.
@ET - I would rather a Michael lynch still, but right now it's looking like Tunkeg will flip bad town. With the recent pointing out of Janaans wishy washyness. Making case/ abandoning case, lurking, not giving opinions on anything other than bandwagoning to save his own ass, rather than make a convincing case that will make him both look town and bring discussion towards scumhunting. Also what are your thoughts on michael.
@Sloosh - That connection theory is wayyyy early so WIFOM, and hard to grasp without any flips or solid information at the moment.
Still sticking with Michael for now but would rather a Janaan lynch over a Tunkeg lynch.
I've beat this drum a lot, but maybe you're just skimming my posts. It isn't that he said he'd be willing to swap to me. It's that he said he'd be willing to swap to me without ever having mentioned me a single time in a post previously. It was at a time when a wagon could have easily rolled onto me from VE pressure and it's highly suspect to me. More suspect than anything else in this game. Had he done the same thing regarding someone else I would still feel he was the scummiest. Last game I made the mistake of lynching layabout for making a very similar post, but upon reading his filter post-lynch I saw that he had given his reasons for his vote swap. johnnywup hasn't done that.
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OK guys, this will be my final posts, and I will try to do them as manner as I can (even how annoyed I am at this town). I play to win no matter what.
So for my scumreads I present scum nr 1:
gonzaw
This is a player I have played one game with, and that was one of these newbie games. He was scum there, and he was on the winning team. I somewhat think his play resembles that (ofcourse with some differences, for instance he isn't swearing as much  )
Now, what is it I find scummy about him in this game. I start with one of his first posts, where he goes after Janaan:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 06:54 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:51 Janaan wrote:
1.I see we started early. Excellent. This will be my first non-newbie mini game, so bear with me while I get a handle on reading and analyzing a much bigger thread with 3 times the players.
2.Only things that have really stood out to me so far: I like VE's initiative to get rid of lurking in a proactive way. My town games have pretty much been ruined by just a couple people lurking, and I imagine with more people playing, that problem could potentially be even worse.
3.Sl0osh, I know you're a pretty smart guy, I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic, at least well enough to have a basic understanding of it. The first thing that came to my mind when you asked for clarification? You could need more information because you ARE stealthy. I've got my eye on you.
4.Other than that, so far it seems to be mostly people posting fluffy first hour of Day 1 statements as people often do.
God Save the Queen! I found this post pretty bad 1.I don't like this tone. He tries to undermine his own play right here, saying "bear with me while I get a handle...". 2.Why say this about VE? You "like" him because he wants to get rid of lurking in a proactive way? Are you kidding me? You are telling me you never played a game where people discussed lynching and killing lurkers? It's more fluff to make it appear he's contributing. 3.Notice the words he uses. "I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic"; "I've got my eye on you". First of all, he finds that behaviour from sloosh suspicious, which is totally bullshit since no sane scum with the Stealthy trait will directly talk about it in the thread instead of PMing the mods in the first place. Second, he doesn't even seem to directly confront sloosh. He says "I find it interesting", seems too wishy washy to be an actual accusation. Again, seems like a classic scumtell of accusing someone without directly confronting them, hoping someone else will read it and confront sloosh about it; or to put some doubt in sloosh so he can come back to said suspicious later, while nobody notices said suspicion right now. 4. Again, more fluff. What motivation does he have to post this? Just more fluff (which is just a "retelling" of what's happening in the thread, it serves no purpose) to make his post look bigger. Each individual thing from your post isn't enough to make one think you are scum, but the fact that you made all of them in a single post looks very bad. I'd say you are scum, specially since you've posted almost nothing at all since, yet your post seemed to imply you were eager to participate and kind of "enthusiastic" about the game, which you clearly aren't. That isn't too damning though, maybe it's the time-zone or something, but whenever I find lack of participation when one was eager to do so before suspicious I'm generally right. ##Vote: Janaan
As I said earlier I think his case is forced. I also think he is nitpicking and making up a case that aren't there. He tries to pin him down for undermining his own play (newbie trait), for kissing VE's butt (also newbie trait), for the wording in his post (very forced) and last he calls his one line commenting about fluff for fluff. The sum of all this makes him scum he says. Come on it really doesn't.
He then gives his input on the other "lynch candidates".
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Regarding other lynch "candidates":
FourFace:
I still don't get what he's trying to do; but I don't see how his actions make him scum. He acted like this in previous games; I'd prefer if he's ignored, or at least the discussion is not about him. Saying he's "creating chaos" is only right if people start arguing about/with him and let the thread be clogged up with pointless "Oh 4face is anti-town oh oh" stuff.
Tunkeg:
His "win/loss ratio" list didn't do any good; but it's not an alignment tell.
I find his tone and posting style weird, like saying things like "Phone home, goddammed alien" and shit. That's certainly NOT the way he played when we played together; and apart from discussing his list/random lynch, and discrediting BH I haven't seen him contribute that much.
I don't know what to think about his behaviour (seems trollish, but again that doesn't determine his alignment); but I wouldn't be against killing him if he doesn't step up his game like I know he can do.
Wherebugsgo:
I dunno why, but I don't think he's scum because I think he would play better if he was scum; and I know some people think he plays "bad" as town.
Apart from some trolling of him, I don't find him scummy, and wouldn't want him lynched today.
Sputnik:
He's very aggressive, and so far he hasn't done anything scummy IMO.
Waiting for more contributions from him.
About Risen vs ET and other stuff:
The Risen vs ET thing has been fully covered I think.
2 players clogging the thread and going against each other because of some petty stuff. Nothing suspicious here, it actually makes me think both are town because of that.
I think Risen and ET are town for other reasons too (small ones actually), but if it doesn't help mentioning them I won't.
Although it was stupid for Risen to do so, but I can see where he's coming from (making "playful" posts, full of smileys, etc); but his execution was very bad.
I would like leaving him alone for now.
If you have any questions to me ask away. I chose not to comment on ALL interactions this game or ask questions to everybody since that didn't do very good last time I did it.
@sloosh: I'd like more contributions from you, you say that we shouldn't spend time arguing about the spreadshit, but you don't do anything yourself.
I wouldn't be against lynching Toad though; will post more about him after people comment on Janaan.
Very non commiting, and very vague. Leaving the door open to do whatever he wants later. Its also just a summary of what have happend with "the popular" view on the event, no controversy.
He later(in different posts)goes on to make non-commital cases on both BH, VE and a somewhat more commited case on toad. I think he is just namedropping everyone that have been mentioned in the thread. What for, to be seemingly accusing them?
So my strongest reasons to believe Gonzaw is scum is summarized:
Nitpicking on a easy target (a lurker basicly).
Very non- commital.
First jumped on my case when it was a dead giveaway that I will be dead (the bandwagon method).
Now jumping off to get towncred when I am dieing (or not wanting to see me dead as I will be the confirmed towny suspecting him.
A great case? Hells no. But it is day 1. Cases aren't all that great.
To follow. My case on BH.
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I would be happy with a targeting of Janaan, but I am becoming more and more convinced that Tunkeg is a man of honour and dignity, and a Queen's man through and through.
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Wall of text incoming. Brace the decks.
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Review of Janaan
I’ve just finished building this case after going over his filter. Below are the results. Call it OMGUS, call it whatever. I think it's a solid option at this point, and with everyone being so shaky, I feel this would be one of the more solid options to go to.
Re-reading his filter, there are a few things I want to hone in on. The first part is his obvious half-assed reason to cast suspicion on me. He barely comes up with any solid reason to do this, and shows unwillingness to believe in his reads and throw my name into the actual pool of candidates. He’s non-committal in his accusations, and almost looks like he doesn’t believe them himself. He barely comes up with any reason at all to give shove these accusations at me. For clarity, I will spoiler his accusation below.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 10:59 Janaan wrote:
After a quick re-read of the early game, I'd say Jitsu is a good candidate. His first two posts are totally worthless to me, consisting of nothing but "you scum?". Then he mentions Grackroni, but doesn't feel the need to give a reason until asked about it. His reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if for no other reason that he doesn't really explain why what he's saying is true. Even though he REALLY thinks Grackroni is scum.
From there on, all he really does is berate Risen for what he calls "the smiley face incident" which no one could really say was a good idea, and Risen himself admits that. Then he just dismisses Risen's post explaining himself, saying that it was something scum and town would both do, which seems to me to serve no purpose other than to cast doubt on Risen.
None of that is reason to have me killed – and beyond that, his reasoning to have me killed is what, because I think Grack is scum and I called Risen out on bullshit reasoning (which it still is, mind you)? There is no reason to even bring me up in any of this at all. It’s fairly evident that he doesn’t believe his own case.
So what motivation would a town player have to discredit another town player? Is there one? A valid one? I can’t think of any off the top of my head. However, I could validly see a reason for a scum player to try to cast doubt on a town player – 100%. I wasn’t brought up in the thread before this point, and he was the only one that had cast doubt on me, and doesn’t even commit to it.
The second point I wanted to touch on is the following post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2012 02:47 Janaan wrote:At this point in the day, just going by the latest vote count, the only real chance we have to lynch today is Tunkeg, myself, and MAYBE Sputnik, so I'll be focusing my attention on Tunkeg for the time being.He spent a lot of time defending his "random lynch" idea. It seems to me that if it was merely to generate discussion like he claims, it would have made more sense to drop it, after seeing that no one wanted to talk about random lynching. Instead, all he really did was inflate his post count, and stall actual discussion. He also seems a bit wishy washy on his stance on me when Gonzaw asked about it. + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 07:44 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:18 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan? Toad isn't as spammy as last time I played with him AC. Does this make him scum, I don't know. I don't see what some players see in him. I see him as pretty much null. Like almost every other player in this game thus far. Your case on Janaan. Well I think it is forced, and somewhat premature. Reading that much from one post. I put it in the same category as BH's posts. Are you wrong for doing it? Who am I to judge. Maybe your pressure will create results from Janaan, maybe not. Still I like your case on Janaan better then BH's pressure on ST. He just kept pounding on him, not giving him a chance to explain himself. He says the case was forced, reading that much from a single post was bad, but then he says he still likes it better than BH. Which is it? If it was bad, then does it matter if it's better than another bad case? Make up your mind. When asked by WBG who he would lynch, he shows that he hasn't really been scum hunting much at all by saying no one, and if he has been scum hunting, he doesn't believe his own reads. Then, just 4 hours later, he calls Gonzaw "obvious scum" and never gives a reason for it. Now he seems to have just given up. He says he'll post his reads later, but regardless, later will be too late if he really is town. I'll be back on long before the deadline, for now I'll be in class for a few hours, though. ##Vote: Tunkeg
Janaan comes up with three names that he believes to be solid lynch candidates. Tunkeg, himself, and maybe sputnik.
Previously, I was his best candidate to lynch. But here, he gives the top three candidates that he thinks would be a feasible lynch option – but then, he proceeds to make a case based around the fact that he thinks Tunkeg would be the best possible lynch option.
There is still plenty of time to come up with your own thoughts and reads in this game. Why would you take the person who is leading in votes, and make a case on them based on the fact that they are possibly one of the ones to be lynched, and form a case around that. You are pretty much trying to justify a reason to jump on the lynch bandwagon. I personally think this case is half-assed just as much as your first one on me.
Lastly, is his most recent post (at the time of this case). It's a catch all post, and will be copied and quoted below.
On April 10 2012 03:20 Janaan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:55 gonzaw wrote:
@Janaan: So, any other thoughts? Do you think anybody else is scum?
Like I said, I don't like people tunneling Tunkeg, voting for him and disappearing without commenting on anything else (which is exactly like you are doing).
I get what you're saying about people just tunneling Tunkeg, I don't have a lot of time right now, but I will say that one person I find suspicious is johnnywup. The biggest thing that I noticed from him is that he basically said he finds Risen scummy, but gives no reason. Instead, he says that he'll wait for other people to think he's scummy too, and THEN push him. Maybe he's trying to stay out of the spot light? I'd like to know from johnny if he still finds Risen suspicious, and if so, why? He also gave early reads on fourface and sputnik, but never followed up on them, even though fourface wrote the "scummiest post in the thread" at that time. Be back in a few hours.
Right after he votes for Tunkeg, he essentially admits that he understands people are tunneling Tunkeg and says that he finds another person suspicious, and this person is Jhonny. If he understands people are tunneling and training Tunkeg, why is he voting for him? This post says one thing, to me. He’s trying to absolve himself of any responsibility if and when Tunkeg flips townie. For someone who’s already flaky on his reads (jumping between three-ish people within four posts, with shaky reasoning to due so) it seems that he is looking to already distance himself from the responsibility of the lynch.
Overall Posting Behavior this Game
Very little posting. Has a total of five in his filter since the game started. Has shaky reasoning for put votes and accusations on other players and doesn’t seem to want to get too involved in the heavy pressed issues that are right up front and being heavily talked about. Is content to just float.
Previous Posting Behavior from Other Games
Janaan's Filter from Newbie Mini Mafia IV (He Played Town)
Janaan posts quite a bit, having a total of three pages of filter before he is killed Night One. He looks to actively contribute to town discussion – any discussion – and puts forth the effort to show he is a Town Aligned Player.
Janaan's Filter from Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VIII (He was Mafia)
Janaan has a total of two pages in a three day/night Game before winning in the end. One major point I see is that he looks almost detached from the game, like he is an ethereal spectator not really giving two shits what happens to the town. He jumps on a bangwagon with bogus logical reasoning and attempts to ride the wave.
I see a lot of the latter Janaan in this game, being very political like.
Let’s lynch him. I feel it would be a solid lynch option at this point.
##Vote: Janaan
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On April 10 2012 03:29 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 01:39 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Risen, did you happen to read my concerns about your earlier play? Any comments?
I think what I did wasn't pro-town itself, but I don't think it was anti either. I think the result of it was pro-town, though. That is, got discussion started. I think that answers it, you'll have to be more specific if it doesn't
I want you to give me your reasoning for voting EchelonTee in the very beginning of the game, and why you decided to do it.
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People, some of you are saying "I'm all up for a Janaan lynch but I'm keeping my vote on X".
X WILL NEVER GET LYNCHED, JANAAN WILL!
We are hours away from the deadline and there is no sight of a majority lynch happening soon, if you are okay with a Janaan lynch, and you see a lot other players are okay with his lynch, then vote him, michael/sputnik/etc won't get lynched.
You guys are actively trying to get a NL by being non-commital. It's like a bystander-effect, you find Janaan suspicious but you expect someone else to do something about it, while you keep your vote on the guy you think is suspicious.
That's not how majority-lynch works, specially not in a large game like this.
On April 10 2012 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Are you kidding me? You asked like 6 guys what they think about me and EVERYONE said they don't think anything you said about me is alignment indicating.
What does this have to do with anything?
That just means people don't find you scummy for some reason, that doesn't make them right.
The bolded part has something to do with you because it apparently shows you have no idea what to look for when scumhunting because you think guy-plays-bad = mafia.
I never said you were playing bad.
I said Tunkeg was playing bad, and FourFace was playing bad at some point. I am not tunneling both those players, rendering your point moot.
You said me discrediting you while saying you're looking townish is something weird when it's actually not at all weird. You want me to OMGUS just because of your case that everyone in here agrees is bullshit? Would that make me look townish in your book? I hope not and I desperatly hope that you take a step back an overthink your stance here. You've been tunneling me all day long with no support at all yet you keep on doing that.
Again, that doesn't make you mafia, that makes you stupid and I'm going to quote my very first post
Stop the misdirection please.
Yes, you are discrediting me, THAT'
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After reading the last few pages after I started typing this, I counted (off the top of my head) four people that said "I would switch to Janaan lynch if it's possible."
You are willing to vote for Janaan to die, yet don't vote for Janaan. Scummy as fuck. Put your money where your mouth is.
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On April 10 2012 04:03 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 03:29 Risen wrote:On April 10 2012 01:39 Jitsu wrote:
Hey Risen, did you happen to read my concerns about your earlier play? Any comments?
I think what I did wasn't pro-town itself, but I don't think it was anti either. I think the result of it was pro-town, though. That is, got discussion started. I think that answers it, you'll have to be more specific if it doesn't I want you to give me your reasoning for voting EchelonTee in the very beginning of the game, and why you decided to do it.
I don't think my pressure on him works without a vote. Right? I wanted to generate discussion, I wanted to flush out anyone looking for an easy wagon. I think I did that pretty well. Fourface jumped right on it as did wbg. I can't tell if wbg was being serious, though. He's so hard to read. Fourface on the other hand immediately followed it with some pretty scummy posting. He's since kind of redeemed himself to neutral territory in my mind, though.
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Blazinghand
This guy I have played one game with before. In this game he was the mr.spammy in yo face bitches kind of guy. His whole game there was leaning on lurkers. He have done somewhat the same here, leaning on lurker but is not mr. spammy. So have he evolved his game, yeah probably. But he should then also evolve his game on who he leans on, and why.
I find it strange that he leans on 4F and ST. I think this kind of play is anti-town as it may trick the newguys into mistakes that are wrongfully interpid as scumtells. Yeah, get them to talk, but try a more diplomatic way first. Not pin them to the wall. The veterans should be pin to the wall, thats the only way to get them to speak up, but not the new ones, they should be cuddled 
His first post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 01:51 Blazinghand wrote:Good morning ladies and gentlemen! At first you were probably like "what are we going to do?" but then you realized BH is here to save you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E5GUT.png) So I'm gonna go over this hard and fast, just like you like it baby 4F starts off in what is my opinion a wholly unlikeable and anti town fashion: linkHe almost immediately retracts his unbelievably bad idea, which I would give him credit for if he had any reason for other than "I don't want to get lynched, as I am scum and my wincon requires me not to get lynched" ( link) and I find his vote on S.T to be entirely unsatisfactory, much like my last girlfriend was ( link)
"Why is it unsatisfactory blzinghand" Here I show you. his reasoning for the S.T vote is a crappy quote a short, unfocused case. Was S.T a bit too wordy in his reply? Verbose in his defense? Well, then that's in S.T's court, surely. But let's take a look at S.T's filter for a moment: S.T Oh hay S.T is in fact a lurker. So... 4F doesn't like the idea of lynching a lurker, he says "lurkers are a weak faction" and that going after them is what scum would do. Personally I think that's wrong. But even assuming that's right, isn't that exactly what 4F is doing?
"What's going on here blzinghand I don't understand" Well, S.T is a lurker. Does he have some posts? yeah. but he's posted fuck all shit this entire game. Your post count doesn't determine your lurker status, your content count does. Assuming 4F is wrong, well, he's a moron scum trying to lynch someone who's inadequately defended himself. And assuming his thoughts on lurkers are right, then he's scum since he's trying to push a lurker lynch. Either way... ##vote fourfaceplease detour in my direction, my brother.
A bad case on a strange player. I would call it a placeholder vote, with some text behind it. Done to a easy target, to get towncred. I expect more from seasoned players like BH.
Then his next two posts are him going after ST. Another easy target, to gain some towncred.
But the most damning thing about BH is his activity he comes in, makes a couple of bad posts and dissapears. He is my secound highest scumread.
Summarized:
Going after the weak.
Not making an effort.
My metaview on him is that he would do more.
Another great case, yeah, whatever...
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On April 10 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
People, some of you are saying "I'm all up for a Janaan lynch but I'm keeping my vote on X".
X WILL NEVER GET LYNCHED, JANAAN WILL!
We are hours away from the deadline and there is no sight of a majority lynch happening soon, if you are okay with a Janaan lynch, and you see a lot other players are okay with his lynch, then vote him, michael/sputnik/etc won't get lynched.
You guys are actively trying to get a NL by being non-commital. It's like a bystander-effect, you find Janaan suspicious but you expect someone else to do something about it, while you keep your vote on the guy you think is suspicious.
That's not how majority-lynch works, specially not in a large game like this.
On April 10 2012 04:05 Jitsu wrote:
After reading the last few pages after I started typing this, I counted (off the top of my head) four people that said "I would switch to Janaan lynch if it's possible."
You are willing to vote for Janaan to die, yet don't vote for Janaan. Scummy as fuck. Put your money where your mouth is.
At the time of my vote, Janaan had 3 votes and Sputnik had 2. That's a one vote difference, and I feel sputnik is far scummier than Janaan.
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Since I have to go fairly soon and people seem to skipped over my Michael case or ignored it for some reason. I am switching my vote to Janaan. The strongest case on him has just been displayed by Jitsu and the last couple of points in his case were ones I was about to post as well.
##Unvote: MichaelThe
##Vote: Janaan
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Fuck, I pushed SHIFT instead of caps lock and inadvertently posted my post >_>
People, some of you are saying "I'm all up for a Janaan lynch but I'm keeping my vote on X".
X WILL NEVER GET LYNCHED, JANAAN WILL!
We are hours away from the deadline and there is no sight of a majority lynch happening soon, if you are okay with a Janaan lynch, and you see a lot other players are okay with his lynch, then vote him, michael/sputnik/etc won't get lynched.
You guys are actively trying to get a NL by being non-commital. It's like a bystander-effect, you find Janaan suspicious but you expect someone else to do something about it, while you keep your vote on the guy you think is suspicious.
That's not how majority-lynch works, specially not in a large game like this.
On April 10 2012 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Are you kidding me? You asked like 6 guys what they think about me and EVERYONE said they don't think anything you said about me is alignment indicating.
What does this have to do with anything?
That just means people don't find you scummy for some reason, that doesn't make them right.
The bolded part has something to do with you because it apparently shows you have no idea what to look for when scumhunting because you think guy-plays-bad = mafia.
I never said you were playing bad.
I said Tunkeg was playing bad, and FourFace was playing bad at some point. I am not tunneling both those players, rendering your point moot.
You said me discrediting you while saying you're looking townish is something weird when it's actually not at all weird. You want me to OMGUS just because of your case that everyone in here agrees is bullshit? Would that make me look townish in your book? I hope not and I desperatly hope that you take a step back an overthink your stance here. You've been tunneling me all day long with no support at all yet you keep on doing that.
Again, that doesn't make you mafia, that makes you stupid and I'm going to quote my very first post
Stop the misdirection please.
Yes, you are discrediting me, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU ARE DOING. But still, you are doing it and yet you think I'm town. That means you are putting all your effort into someone you don't even think is scum, while not putting any effort whatsoever in more important matters, even when people ask you to.
You're going that road right now if you keep on like that. So please, I still think you're a townie. Take a step back and just for once try going after someone else. You've got more than enough resistance on your case about me (as in people telling you it's bullshit / it's a null), yet you keep on and actually tell me there's a couple of people thinking the same way.
So, you think that the case on you having resistance is a point IN YOUR FAVOR?
Really? Let me remind you that generally cases on scum are met with resistance while cases on bad townies just flow through and let bandwagons happen. I don't get why you would even say this.
Now please stop this over-political and over-aggressive bullshit and contribute and add something to town.
About your question on VE and Janaan: I'm going to answer this question and it's going to be the last one I answer for you because you make it sound like I am trying to not answer questions (saying I dodged the question about tunkeg 10 times which is a blatant lie) when in reality I am answering every single question you guys are asking me to a point wbg said he thinks that I should ignore those things and post less. So PLEASE stop pretending I'm ignoring questions when I am not.
I don't need to ask for your thoughts on VE/Janaan or your thoughts on other lynch candidates, you ought to post them on your own.
And yes, you've dodged the question when you went against ghost, and you never seemed to try to contribute or even care about it.
My point about you not caring about this game still stands, and I hope other people look at it as well.
Also, you would want to lynch ghost (for faking what?) and Hassybaby, 2 players that have absolutely no other votes on them other than yours. Yet you know this is a majority lynch, where someone needs 16 votes on them to get lynched, not 1.
So, knowing this, please start doing something helpful to town and decide which lynch candidate you would want to lynch, or decide if you would want a NL instead. Don't try to act all rebellious and say things like "Fuck the system! We lynch whoever I want to lynch" and vote someone who won't ever get lynched, which is basically a way to force NL without appearing to do so
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Very well. A death must happen this hour, and Janaan is my preference. However, I maintain sputnik should be next in line for the gallows
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I'm not a lynch candidate either. gonzaw, you need to calm your shit down sir. I'll post my thoughts soon...in the meantime, consider switching to Tunkeg and getting onboard the victory train.
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