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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12973 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
Also I want to see what the lurkers who are still voting for me are going to do. I want them to be very careful which candidate they choose because spontaneous late voting to change or support an outcome so close to the deadline, even though you failed to file a case against your candidate this whole day, is about the scummiest thing you can do in this game. So those are the people that have to watch out not to be spontaneous at this point in time .. as for the rest I think everyone who has been posting seriously can do whatever the fuck they want and it wouldn't even be suspicious to get off the Tunkeg or Janaan train. So you guys just chill out and grab some popcorn while the lurkers make their way on the stage. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:21 FourFace wrote: gonzaw started the lynch Janaan fad and following his lead the most lurky players in the game are lining up behind it. Jitsu, Jackal and Kenpachi ? OMG and who is going to take all the heat if he flips town... gonzaw. Now think about it one more time and tell me you don't think sput is a better candidate, the only candidate I see besides MG who's like this redneck texan type of guy who's all racist and only cares about people not stepping out of line. Also I want to see what the lurkers who are still voting for me are going to do. I want them to be very careful which candidate they choose because spontaneous late voting to change or support an outcome so close to the deadline, even though you failed to file a case against your candidate this whole day, is about the scummiest thing you can do in this game. So those are the people that have to watch out not to be spontaneous at this point in time .. as for the rest I think everyone who has been posting seriously can do whatever the fuck they want and it wouldn't even be suspicious to get off the Tunkeg or Janaan train. So you guys just chill out and grab some popcorn while the lurkers make their way on the stage. I'm one of the most lurkey players in the game? I just posted a massive three page word document about a case of Janaan. If you think Gonzaw is going to take the brunt of the responsibility for voting for Janaan, then I think you have another thing coming. The post you just made makes absolutely no sense, especially since I'm not following a fad, and created an original opinion on his filter and overall flow of posting. Come off it. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
If I thought Tunkeg was a good lynch I would have told you so. I won't defend people when accused because I as well want to see how they react nevertheless. My reads could be wrong after all. There is no reason to run around and rub your thoughts about people in someones face if you're unsure about that guy or even think that guy is town. You're just wrong again. Not to mention that I am way more open about my reads than I should be to make sure everyone knows what I am up to... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not a lynch candidate either. gonzaw, you need to calm your shit down sir. I'll post my thoughts soon...in the meantime, consider switching to Tunkeg and getting onboard the victory train. Well, that's not what I meant. I said he had to post his thoughts on you or on other lynch candidates, I didn't try to imply you were one, since you aren't one (even though I want you dead). Defense against Tunkeg: On April 10 2012 03:55 Tunkeg wrote: OK guys, this will be my final posts, and I will try to do them as manner as I can (even how annoyed I am at this town). I play to win no matter what. Good, that's what we would expect of you if you were town. Now, I'll try to address those points you made of me gonzaw This is a player I have played one game with, and that was one of these newbie games. He was scum there, and he was on the winning team. I somewhat think his play resembles that (ofcourse with some differences, for instance he isn't swearing as much  )Actually, that game was a LONG time ago. If you want to compare games I've been scum, check Sum of all Fears, or Newbie IV, which were more recent. As I said earlier I think his case is forced. I also think he is nitpicking and making up a case that aren't there. He tries to pin him down for undermining his own play (newbie trait), for kissing VE's butt (also newbie trait), for the wording in his post (very forced) and last he calls his one line commenting about fluff for fluff. The sum of all this makes him scum he says. Come on it really doesn't. So you don't think that was a very bad 1st post of his? I said that post was enough for him to be lynched on D1, and it was enough for me to think he was scum taking 1st impressions into account. Very non commiting, and very vague. Leaving the door open to do whatever he wants later. Its also just a summary of what have happend with "the popular" view on the event, no controversy. Okay now you are just copying what ET said. Go check my responses to his case against me. He later(in different posts)goes on to make non-commital cases on both BH, VE and a somewhat more commited case on toad. I think he is just namedropping everyone that have been mentioned in the thread. What for, to be seemingly accusing them? I'm posting my thoughts on who I think is suspicious. Not everything posted is a "case"; just thoughts and reads that I want to share with town. As you can see I'm trying to deal with a lot of things this game, I can't be "committed" to most of them because I don't have the power or time to do so, so I have to give some players like BH, etc some slack because I can't pressure everybody, and that's something I tried to do in Aperture but failed. So my strongest reasons to believe Gonzaw is scum is summarized: Nitpicking on a easy target (a lurker basicly). Very non- commital. First jumped on my case when it was a dead giveaway that I will be dead (the bandwagon method). Now jumping off to get towncred when I am dieing (or not wanting to see me dead as I will be the confirmed towny suspecting him. When I get the lynch on Janaan and he flips scum you'll think otherwise, believe me. About Janaan: Yes Jitsu, good post. I think people have been ignoring what I posted earlier, here: So you just forget about Jitsu, the guy you thought was scum and you made a case against previously. He says the other person he finds suspicious is johnny, yet he completely ignores Jitsu, the guy he thought was suspicious before, here: On April 09 2012 10:59 Janaan wrote: After a quick re-read of the early game, I'd say Jitsu is a good candidate. His first two posts are totally worthless to me, consisting of nothing but "you scum?". Then he mentions Grackroni, but doesn't feel the need to give a reason until asked about it. His reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if for no other reason that he doesn't really explain why what he's saying is true. Even though he REALLY thinks Grackroni is scum. From there on, all he really does is berate Risen for what he calls "the smiley face incident" which no one could really say was a good idea, and Risen himself admits that. Then he just dismisses Risen's post explaining himself, saying that it was something scum and town would both do, which seems to me to serve no purpose other than to cast doubt on Risen. About this "bandwagon" on Janaan: Okay, I'm happy with this. The players voting for Janaan right now are ones I think are most likely town, and the ones I think are scum are either voting Tunkeg or trying to force NL by voting someone completely irrelevant. I think we have a good chance for Janaan to flip scum. Even if he was town, at least I'm thinking Tunkeg is most likely town based on his last posts and behaviour, so at least he wouldn't get lynched and has more time to contribute more to the game. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
-Any lurker really (no need to say anything day one the way this have panned out). -adam: because he of all are suspicious of me on day one, him being the one knowing most of my meta. Also very non.commiting in his ways thus far. -grackaroni - for his quick defense of bh, and for him still nagging on about that chainsaw defense (can it be that you are the one doing a chainsaw defense). - VE for voting me based on nothing. My suggestions to town when I am gone is: Check adam, VE and WBG asap. They hold the key to this game (the townies between them will probably die night one though). Also for the love of the queen try to focus more on actually scummy behavior instead of going after the ones who behaves in a way you don't like. What should be dead giveaways to me being town, and being a regular town is: a) Drawing silly amounts of attention to myself, when I easily could go under the radar and just post some wishy washy analysis that allready have been posted. b) The targets I have gone after. I have gone for the big guns. I went after jackal first, who is the one with the most games here. Next I went after BH (who weren't here to reply). Which sane scum would do that day 1. It would either be brilliant scumplay (with loads of metalevels) or just townplay (good according to me, bad according to you). c) The way no one at any point have had my back. It would be easy to create a diversion or to give me some headway in my arguements without it being suspicious if I were scum. d) How day 2 of day 1 have been, me slinging my pooh at all of you (with good reason imo ). Any scumteam would have stopped me looooong ago. And unless I am a complete idiot I would have tried to let it blow over. I would never ever gotten this pissed off as scum (partly because then you would have been right, and I aknowledge skill, and partly because I would have hurt the team).So why do I post this late. Well, I was to pissanty earlier to do it. And the way this game have evolved now I think town is almost forced to lynch me. With this many players on my lynch, and with all the players I have pissed of it got to go down like this. I would anyways be dead to town if I survived and you would have the uncertanty of having me alive. Lynching me will atleast reveal that I am town. And that my reads are my true reads and not just something I came up with. Also hold on for my last will, and my last post. oh and btw ##Vote: gonzaw And gg ttyn (or in some other game ) | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
@Toad. Drop the shit, nobody gets what you got to say about Tunkeg, ghost or gonzaw because you made it hard to overview. It's time to finnish this thing and ignore this 3% of the game that has to do with you and gonzaw in order to make some room for clarity and efficiency | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
@Mementoss: 2/3 people on your list are from last game. You are tunneling me, and I beat you last game. Let's put that game behind us, I won, moving on. The only person to comment on your list was Gonzaw, there isn't anything he HASNT commented on yet. We can talk about this more on day 2 if you insist... And to clarify in regards to day 1 lynch- we are unlikely to hit a scum (I'd actually say only 20%, equal to random). But it is useful insomuch as it helps us gain info for day 2 or removes an element we dont want. Re Fourface: Thank you for not posting under two names, I actually found your above post helpful. Gonzaw: You have been posting EVERY case and asking EVERYONE, what do you think of X, or Y, or Z. I understand that getting people to respond about other people can be very helpful in the scum hunt. But let's be honest, I doubt you found 4/6 scum on day 1. Your posting has even lead fourface to suggest you are scum attempting to intentionally flood the thread. Janaan: The initial case against him was pretty bad, and based on only one post. Then he defended himself, which Gonzaw admitted he would do whether scum or innocent. I just found the case very forced, and I don't think much of it. /e I just read Jitsu's post of Janaan. It is much better than the initial case on him was, especially when looking at his filter in other games! I appreciate qualitative analysis. I think he may be a decent target tonight. Tunkeg: Your list was terrible. You defending it for so long was bad. But we have three options: 1- You thought it was a good strategy to promote discussion. 2- You thought it was a good strategy, as scum, to kill a townie. 3- You actually thought it was good. If 1 or 2 were it, you would have dropped it A LOT sooner. I think you actually thought it was a good tool. Your defense of it was too long, but I find it unlikely it was a scum plot. I think there are better targets tonight though. Re: Mafia Vets I was expecting more from some of the big names, despite never having played with them. It's clear other people thought the same. Toad posted he has had good reads on VE in the past, so I am looking for that post. I also found it odd that VE basically wanted to lynch lurkers rather than vig shoot em(as he has suggested in the past?) He then bandwagoned with ease to Tunkeg. I also thought it was odd that Katina posted nothing since this: On April 09 2012 03:44 Katina wrote: I think he is using the multiple personatlities to help get his point across. I don't think he is mafia at the moment. I have others that interest me more. It's not very concievable that he's mafia and created this plan to push an agenda. Lynch Vote: There are only a few possible targets today. I think Tunkeg isn't a great target. Jitsu's case, esp. filter analysis of previous games, makes me think Janaan is a decent target. If he does flip green (which I still think pretty likely) this lynch gives us info as to who said what about him. ##Unvote: FourFace ##Vote: Janaan | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
Help me help you and vote for sputnik. I take full responsibility. I have to go now, I have classes from 8 am same as this morning. Good Night | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Post your thoughts on Janaan (disregard the fact that I was the one that FoSed him initially, just post your thoughts on him from an objective point of view, or check Jitsu's case), and if you find him scummy vote him. @Toad: For christ sake stop talking about irrelevant stuff. It's obvious you are not caring about this game and you want people dead for bad reasons (ghost), and you are not pushing them enough if you really think they are scum. If you are really town stop this bickering and post your thoughts when pressured, push the people you think is scum, take a stance on the Tunkeg vs Janaan vs NL deal, and contribute more to town and stop acting all butthurt against me and spend all your efforts trying to discredit me. You are convincing me more and more you are scum. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
##unvote: Tunkeg ##vote: Janaan Toad is also acting stupid but I think it's just that: stupidity and not scumminess necessarily. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:21 FourFace wrote: gonzaw started the lynch Janaan fad and following his lead the most lurky players in the game are lining up behind it. Jitsu, Jackal and Kenpachi ? OMG and who is going to take all the heat if he flips town... gonzaw. Now think about it one more time and tell me you don't think sput is a better candidate, the only candidate I see besides MG who's like this redneck texan type of guy who's all racist and only cares about people not stepping out of line. Also I want to see what the lurkers who are still voting for me are going to do. I want them to be very careful which candidate they choose because spontaneous late voting to change or support an outcome so close to the deadline, even though you failed to file a case against your candidate this whole day, is about the scummiest thing you can do in this game. So those are the people that have to watch out not to be spontaneous at this point in time .. as for the rest I think everyone who has been posting seriously can do whatever the fuck they want and it wouldn't even be suspicious to get off the Tunkeg or Janaan train. So you guys just chill out and grab some popcorn while the lurkers make their way on the stage. I believe I was the first person to call Janaan scum. Chill out man. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
What about the other vets like BH, wbg, etc? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:43 Jackal58 wrote: I believe I was the first person to call Janaan scum. Chill out man. do you honestly believe lynching janaan is a good move? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:45 gonzaw wrote: Jackal my man, what are your thoughts on VE and Toad? What about the other vets like BH, wbg, etc? I think Visc is town atm. I don't know what to make of Toad yet. I always want to kill BH and WBG so my opinion of them is very biased. I wouldn't cry is somebody shot either of them at night. On April 10 2012 04:46 Toadesstern wrote: do you honestly believe lynching janaan is a good move? I think it's a better move than lynching Tunk. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On April 10 2012 04:46 Toadesstern wrote: do you honestly believe lynching janaan is a good move? The only reason you dont think lynching Janaan is a good move is because you haven't played a game with him before, and see him as just "any other scummy lurker". If you acknowledge that he is a scummy lurker, then I don't see why would you be opposed to his lynch. Believe it or not, there is a difference between scummy lurking and plain ol lurking. | ||
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