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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:11 alQahira wrote: FYI, Crucial M4 128 GB is on sale at newegg for 129.99 with promo code. EMCYTZT1401 for 48 hours. Sold out lol )= | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:38 Tarrius wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys. I currently have this case: http://apevia.com/ProductsInfo.asp?KEY=X-Cruiser2-BL I sold the side panel to a friend because she has the same case and her side panel broke, and I want a new case anyway. I currently have a P8P67 Asus mobo with an intel i7 2600 which is liquid cooled, a radeon 6850 graphics card, a 700w PSU, an SSD, regular HDD, and 2 optical drives. I wouldn't mind some suggestions on a new case, I have a few ideas, but I'm looking for something that has some pretty lights (I love my LED's) but isn't overstated and super flashy. I'm curious as to the position of the PSU in relation to the MOBO and the radiator for my liquid cooling unit. Assuming I stick with the same size tower, is it going to matter if the new case has a bottom mounted PSU instead of top mounted? It kind of looks to me like it would get in the way of the GPU or radiator, and I don't want to go spending money on something, then taking my whole comp apart only to find it doesn't all fit. Thanks! Why would a bottom mounted PSU get in a way of the GPU.... you realize you wouldn't even be able to mount the motherboard if that was the case? Radiators can be mounted anywhere so it doesn't matter. Probably not the best idea to have it bottom mounted anyways. | ||
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Tarrius
United States37 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:46 skyR wrote: Why would a bottom mounted PSU get in a way of the GPU.... you realize you wouldn't even be able to mount the motherboard if that was the case? Radiators can be mounted anywhere so it doesn't matter. Probably not the best idea to have it bottom mounted anyways. Just wanted to make sure before I went a facked it all up. Thanks though. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
So the Lian Lu pc-05fn will be perfect for my needs (can be taking as cary on in airplane, fits perfectly in the standards, which i much prefer for travelling...) So i will be getting this as a replacement to the top, and will be getting a Noctua NF-S14 FLX to go with it. But I do not yet understand fully how airflow works. Should i be getting this fan as inflow or outflow? Will also getting the side window for funsies Another thing i wanted to know, if i were to go with some of Nvidia's cards, with no custom cooling yet, would it be worth it to get some ? Even if i don't want to spend too much on this build, i'm still going to spend all my money into it (yeah, when i like something i don't count, my last gf is a bad experience about that), so as long as it's not like 1k just for the cooling, idc. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:08 Rachnar wrote: So concerning my futur computer build, I've done more and more research not about the components now but about the case (as gpu will maybe evovl with nvidia's release and cpu will be ivybridge...) So the Lian Lu pc-05fn will be perfect for my needs (can be taking as cary on in airplane, fits perfectly in the standards, which i much prefer for travelling...) So i will be getting this as a replacement to the top, and will be getting a Noctua NF-S14 FLX to go with it. But I do not yet understand fully how airflow works. Should i be getting this fan as inflow or outflow? Will also getting the side window for funsies Another thing i wanted to know, if i were to go with some of Nvidia's cards, with no custom cooling yet, would it be worth it to get some ? Even if i don't want to spend too much on this build, i'm still going to spend all my money into it (yeah, when i like something i don't count, my last gf is a bad experience about that), so as long as it's not like 1k just for the cooling, idc. If you're not sticking a water block on the GPU, I tend to suggest leaving it alone unless you want to maybe add VRM cooling and re-paste it. You're not going to have room for most of the more efficient aftermarket solutions anyway, just because they tend to be more efficient because they're fucking massive to make airflow easier. As for the top, I assume you'd just let it hang open, or maybe stick a low RPM exhaust on it. An intake there will just create obscene turbulence and fight natural airflow, since heat rises. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
And gotcha for the airflow, that much less to spend there, more somewhere else i guess^^ | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:30 Rachnar wrote: How much would the water block and everythign that goes with it cost? Is it easy to install/maintain? just curious as i doubt i would do it And gotcha for the airflow, that much less to spend there, more somewhere else i guess^^ Well, if you decide to do a custom loop, you're going to need a LOT of shit. It's not cheap, and you need somewhere for the rads to go. You'd be looking at heavy case modding in something like that. I guess you could always rip the acrylic out of side panel and stick rads there. But that's a hassle if you don't have some sort of disconnects set up, if you need to open anything. You tend to need something like 120x240mm per component being cooled to get good cooling power out of liquid. (Better than air on thermal, anecdotally.) Ignoring small stuff like chipsets, and stupid things like RAM. At least in PCs you'd even consider sticking in a case this size, you probably won't be OCing far enough to need to go underwater on more than the CPU and GPU. You have to price by components, frozencpu has a decent selection here in the states, no idea for anywhere else. There's a TON to consider, like not mixing copper and nickel, distilled water vs non-conductive PG, barbs vs compression fittings, different brands of rads. In other words, it could cost between ~$200ish and infinity dollars. EDIT: I guess the short version of this is: Go to a dedicated cooling board for better info. I don't know enough of the specifics myself, just the basics. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
Even if as i said i probably won't do it, i would at least like to know how to, to have the possibility to. And as for the space for that, i could get rid of the top cage, even use the bottom of the case i supose, i saw pics of someone having done this with a H100. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
Will be checking that out asap | ||
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AAyeR
United States138 Posts
I have a I have a vpcf11fx vaio running an i7, what should i get? | ||
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Nabutso
351 Posts
On April 05 2012 14:34 AAyeR wrote: Hi I need more ram I have a I have a vpcf11fx vaio running an i7, what should i get? How much ram do you currently have and what do you use your pc for? Chances are, you aren't really running out of ram unless you have like 2gb... | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
1) Is the thing reliable. 2) Is it significantly faster than a mechanical hard disk. 3) How cheap is it. Considering OCZ's history of having shitty reliability and that small period of dishonesty, I'm going to wait for people to guinea pig these new drives. Its a fast drive is great but a fast drive is pointless if the firmware is going to fry your data or if sleeping your PC will cause the SSD to lock itself. Edit: I do occasional photoediting for a photographer friend and we use SSDs to back up field data now. Hence price and reliability is an issue, speed being less so since they're all stupid fast these days and they generally have zero stuttering. Our solution is just to buy depreciated gear. Really, I honestly cannot tell the speed difference unless we're doing huge writes. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 06 2012 00:21 Womwomwom wrote: I literally don't give a shit about SSD benchmarks. All I care about is: 1) Is the thing reliable. 2) Is it significantly faster than a mechanical hard disk. 3) How cheap is it. Considering OCZ's history of having shitty reliability and that small period of dishonesty, I'm going to wait for people to guinea pig these new drives. Well said. Even the "slow" known good models blow the best HDDs out of the water on performance. And where your OS and productivity app installs are concerned reliable is worth a fair amount of performance that at best isn't measurable without synthetic benchmarks, and at worst isn't even the performance I need. Besides, I'd rather have them working on bringing down price/GB with reliable drives than trying to push the envelope on sequential read/write on drives with smallish capacity. Having everything loading from SSDs would be more noteworthy than having my OS and adobe load 2-3 nanoseconds faster. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 06 2012 00:21 Womwomwom wrote: I literally don't give a shit about SSD benchmarks. All I care about is: 1) Is the thing reliable. 2) Is it significantly faster than a mechanical hard disk. 3) How cheap is it. Considering OCZ's history of having shitty reliability and that small period of dishonesty, I'm going to wait for people to guinea pig these new drives. Its a fast drive is great but a fast drive is pointless if the firmware is going to fry your data or if sleeping your PC will cause the SSD to lock itself. Couldn't agree more with you (and what JH said). Well said. I'd happily take a half-speed Samsung 830 or M4 or whatever for half the price per GB (or even just 70% of the price per GB). I mean, I use one of the slowest possible SSD's that anyone could have these days (40GB Intel 320 series) and the few things that I do have on it (W7, anti-virus, Skyrim) still load blazing fast. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
 EDIT: Also what JH said below++ | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:06 Myrmidon wrote: Some day I'm gonna invent the machine that transforms an SSD controller into a gimped one while materializing extra NAND flash out of thin air. Well, yes, I'm aware that it's entirely different components, but my point is that they're prioritizing a bit funny. Speed over reliability and size. If they weren't investing as much into R&D for fast iterations for speed most people don't need, price/capacity ratios WOULD come down a bit faster. Conservation of energy isn't the ONLY rule that effects the economics of something like this. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:11 JingleHell wrote: Well, yes, I'm aware that it's entirely different components, but my point is that they're prioritizing a bit funny. Speed over reliability and size. If they weren't investing as much into R&D for fast iterations for speed most people don't need, price/capacity ratios WOULD come down a bit faster. Conservation of energy isn't the ONLY rule that effects the economics of something like this. Well of course I feel the same way you do regarding what I wish the products and prices were, but I don't really agree with your description of misaligned priorities. Flash manufacturers pushing the boundaries of process size about as fast as they can. Higher density per chip, so higher capacities, is what reduces $ / GB. The ones developing new controllers and firmware are often not even the same companies as those making the flash; even if they are from the same company, it's not like they can push the flash development to be faster. It's in the best interests of the controller designers to keep making faster ones regardless. And it's easier to design something faster than do extensive validation and testing (and be late to market) for reliability. Also consider that extra speed really is important for some markets, and a lot of consumers want to buy the product with the higher numbers regardless of whether or not it makes sense. The other thing that could reduce costs is if the players with higher profit margins--Intel, Samsung, Toshiba maybe, Crucial, others? it's the ones that make controllers and/or flash for SSDs--need to get in a tough price war against each other. That's not going to happen if their products are selling fine at current prices. | ||
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