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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
April 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#20181
isnt that what happened to the 560 ti 448?
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#20182
On April 02 2012 08:32 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
isnt that what happened to the 560 ti 448?


Yes the 560ti w/448 has nothing to do with a 560ti. It is in fact a 570 with an additional shader module cut out.
twitch.tv/medrea
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 01 2012 23:42 GMT
#20183
On April 02 2012 08:23 Medrea wrote:
Correct.

In fact pretty much any tech product in the last 10 years you can think of is either a binned product or a product that is then binned to give other products. Somewhere around the pentium 4 era people realized they can sell defective products as different products and still make money as long as they make sure it doesn't blow up.


Also consider that back in the day before they started doing this (for CPUs / GPUs; it's very common in other fields too), the percentage of a die that could be defective and leave you with a working product, would be relatively small. There weren't multiple CPU cores, the CPU cores were larger relative to the cache, and of course GPUs looked nothing like they do now.

Hard drives, memory, etc. are binned as well.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 01 2012 23:48 GMT
#20184
Yeah thats true. IIRC GPU's have been doing it the longest, or at least help popularized it.
twitch.tv/medrea
Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
April 02 2012 02:35 GMT
#20185
Thoughts on this motherboard?

Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3

There's a deal on where you basically get 8GB of ram for free with it, just wondering whether this is something I should jump on right away, or if it's not a big deal. I'll be building a PC with an i5-2400 and a gtx 460 which I plan to overclock. Hoping this motherboard won't cause any issues there.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 02 2012 02:43 GMT
#20186
So that's like $170 for a motherboard and 8GB of DDR3 RAM (rated 1.65V, 1600 MHz)? Unless you have an urgent need to be able to run SLI and have a USB3 internal header and 4 SATA3 ports and so on, you could easily get a different motherboard instead.

Both the motherboard and RAM prices are high compared to alternatives of equal features and quality; furthermore, depending on what you really need, you could probably use a motherboard in the range of $60-100 cheaper and be no worse off.

So no, that sounds like a pretty bad deal. There aren't exactly $45 of savings there, despite what it looks like.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 02 2012 02:44 GMT
#20187
That's a terrible deal. You're not overclocking so you shouldn't be looking at Z68 or P67 motherboards anyways. And even if you were, definitely not $170 boards...
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 03:22:07
April 02 2012 03:16 GMT
#20188
So I came across this while surfing newegg i5-2550k.

So basically its a 2500k without a IGP that is stock clocked 100Mhz higher. From the review's, I gathered that it should be able to OC higher. Any grain of truth to this?
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-02 03:21:35
April 02 2012 03:21 GMT
#20189
Not really. Being binned higher for frequency = better overclocker in most people's minds but overclocking really just comes down to RNG. Pretty terrible purchase at $230 btw.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 02 2012 03:24 GMT
#20190
I have no idea why they are selling 2550k for MORE than a 2500k when its the same thing with IGP binned, the higher clock speed is so irrelevant. Seems like opposite land.
twitch.tv/medrea
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 02 2012 03:26 GMT
#20191
Lol I really hope they don't do this (selling those with non functional IGPs) with Ivybridge.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 02 2012 03:27 GMT
#20192
Im fine with it. But only if the binned product is CHEAPER than the original. Paying more money to have Intel remove features is so silly.
twitch.tv/medrea
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 02 2012 04:50 GMT
#20193
i7 vs i5 for gaming, what's better and what's the difference? Cost, of course but what else?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 02 2012 04:51 GMT
#20194
i7 has hyperthreading, i5 does not.

Games do not utilize hyperthreading so both would be similar in gaming, the negligible difference would come from the negligible difference in cache and frequency.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 02 2012 05:03 GMT
#20195
Well said, thanks skyR.
Drmooose
Profile Joined March 2011
United States390 Posts
April 02 2012 08:30 GMT
#20196
So I've had my build now since December and have finally decided to overclock the cpu. Is there any problem using ASrock extreme tuner? Or should I just do it through BIOS. Never OC'ed before and the extreme tuner seems too easy...

(Basic budget build. Some of you helped me with it. i5 2500k, 560ti, etc etc)
I have a question...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 02 2012 17:45 GMT
#20197
Using Windows software to do CPU overclocks are never recommended.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 02 2012 18:32 GMT
#20198
If you dont know what you are doing just adjust the multiplier a little and leave vcore set to auto. Just dont go crazy.
twitch.tv/medrea
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 02 2012 21:49 GMT
#20199
On April 02 2012 01:55 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 01:52 Alryk wrote:
Is the multiplier (47 that he used) = to the clock the processor will run at? (In his case, 4.7)?


huh? isnt it the multiplier * fsb?


I had no idea that's why I was asking XD
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Tapatio
Profile Joined November 2011
United States9 Posts
April 03 2012 06:14 GMT
#20200
I'm looking to stay current with my computer build and was wondering what upgrades would be necessary now, or what would be the next logical upgrade.

I currently play Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Star Wars the Old Republic.

I have about $400-$500 to mess around with.

Motherboard: Foxconn P45A-S LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 Yorkfield 2.5GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80580Q8300

GPU: EVGA 768-P3-1360-TR GeForce GTX 460 Video Card - 768MB GDDR5, PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, Mini HDMI, SLI, DirectX 11

RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

PSU: Rosewill Xtreme Series RX750-S-B 750W Continuous @40°C ,80 PLUS Certified, ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91, SLI Ready CrossFire Ready, Active PFC Compatible with Core i7, i5 Power Supply

OS: Windows 7 (64 bit)
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