Firstly, I have reconsidered and you're a stupid idiot. I hope mafia shoot you and get PGO'd in the face, NOW STOP SCARING ME.
Now on to your bullshit case, because I might as well get rid of this crap.
On March 23 2012 06:01 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.
Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. Everything about this post screams emotional overreaction to being voted with something that is clearly not a serious vote.
Yeah. Had I mentioned this is my first game? Oh yeah. Only like umpteen billion times.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote:Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me: On March 21 2012 18:51 Acrofales wrote:Hi everybody! Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie  My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win. And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time. ##Vote: AcrofalesGumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game. What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started: On March 20 2012 18:13 Acrofales wrote:Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages. As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway. That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful). For reasons I can't put my finger on, I get the feeling from this post that Acro is either horrible, horrible town, or trying to just talk with mattchew so they can generate discussion that looks pro-town. Makes me feel like Acro and mattchew are both scum.
I like to think I have improved my play during the course of this game, but if you like to call me horrible horrible town, go ahead. The important part in this post was, and I will reiterate: is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day.
Now that I have achieved that, I would like to add that I want to live past the first night too. I like your read on Mattchew, though. Since then he has been somewhat useful, but I'm still suspicious of him. I hope you are too. In fact, why not kill him instead of me, in the offchance that you are what you're claiming to be.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.
PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum Because I'm town. How about you? More proof of my earlier feeling. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 06:13 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.
PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum Because I'm town. How about you? so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information? i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me. Even more...
Even more what? How is this any kind of anything except Mattchew throwing one-liner accusations? I stand by my initial defense: I was being trolled by a fake vote and one-liner accusations. Even Mattchew, the chobo throwing them has backed off. We'll get to your WIFOM about Mattchew and me in a minute.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote:Why we should lynch Mattchew: First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 03:26 GreYMisT wrote:
Explain to us why he is. over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] +On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.  Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.
Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.
Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.
##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] +On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote:lol Show nested quote + yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure. so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town Entire post is about how he wants to lynch Mattchew... but the last line is telling. He's clearly giving himself an out for when he decides miraculously not to vote mattchew because "someone more scummy" has come along.
Oh ffs. I'm not allowed to tell the truth anymore? I should lie just so my case is stronger? I thought lying was a scumtell? I actually DID (and do) think his post just prior to me posting my case was actually quite townie, but that does not exculpate him from all the other crap he posted, which was SCUMMY AS HELL. My scumometer looked like this:
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and as a small addendum at the end of my post I stated that he had done something useful, so my scumometer looked like this:
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If it's not reasonable to post what I truly think, then yeah, just kill me now, because I WANT OUT. I have been calling everything exactly like I see it from the get go.
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 03:47 Acrofales wrote:On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote:
Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have) Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads. A legitimate post calling out a lurker.
Yay. Thank you for your honesty here. See, I'm not all bad.
My feeling: [r]scum[/r]
He's the most scummy read I have thus far.
WHY? Have you read anything by Gumshoe? AT ALL?
Anyway. Somewhat later you say:
On March 23 2012 06:30 Risen wrote:
MrZentor pretty much made my case against mattchew/acro, but as someone pointed out earlier those two were already major targets, so it's not very impressive that he's decrying them.
How and where does MrZentor make any case at all against me? Please point me to it, because it has magically disappeared from his filter. If your ENTIRE CASE is based on these posts in which he is DEFENDING ME, then WTF?!!!!
[spoiler MrZentor to the rescue!!!]
On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party. Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.
Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.
Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.
##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.
On March 22 2012 06:13 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 05:43 DoYouHas wrote:
Interesting MrZentor. Why do you lean town for Acro? Is it because you think Matt is likely scum and they are opposed to each other? Or have Acro's more recent posts been townie in your eyes? If so, what in them, specifically, strikes you as townie? I want you to expand your reasoning on why you consider Acro innocent.
After that, I would like to hear your take on Gumshoe and those of us attacking him. Ooooooo, a fun project to occupy my time while people post more things! This post, especially the part in bold, made me think he was innocent. His reason for overreacting seems genuine. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote:Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me: On March 21 2012 18:51 Acrofales wrote:Hi everybody! Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win. And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time. ##Vote: AcrofalesGumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game. What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started: On March 20 2012 18:13 Acrofales wrote:Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages. As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway. That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful). He also deflects gumshoe's attack by clearly explaining his thought process and shows why he thinks gumshoe look scummy. Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:08 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 22 2012 02:17 DoYouHas wrote:
I have already said what I think about Acrofales. He hasn't posted anything new that would change my opinion.
Mayor elections are built into the game by the mod (at least I think so). This game doesn't have it, meaning you would need consensus from most players to get it going. You won't get that, and you would be wasting your time to try. Stop talking about mayors imo. Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured. Acrofales + Show Spoiler +As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable) Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place? My reason for not going after Mattchew (or Chaoser for that matter) is precisely because I have since realised it's a random vote to troll me and get a reaction. I think he got quite the reaction, so it succeeded rather well. It also got lots of other people talking, which is a double plus! I am still interested to know why he voted for me, but I am smart enough to know that that is not a reason to suspect him of being mafia off the bat. In fact, it's not enough for me to decide either way. YOU, however, have done nothing but spread misinformation with your posts. You spend three entire posts (not short either) on Littlefinger: + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons  Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum. For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps. Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon? On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here. Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum. Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game? On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here. What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game. /sandroba Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster. moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) in which you claim not to have read the D1 post properly, but you might equally well be trying to confuse any productive discussion happening in the thread. On top of that you ask about the mayor election, which even I had gathered does not happen unless Curu says it does: more misinformation and confusion to be cleared up, rather than spending time on useful stuff. You end the last post with a request to talk about policy, but instead, as Oberyn put it nicely: On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia. And now, to top it all off, you decide that I am scummy for backing down from a fight with someone I have no information about one way or the other. I'm inclined to call that an attempt at getting me bandwagoned. On top of that, you ask for me to roleclaim, which serves no point whatsoever, because nobody has any reason to believe me one way or the other this early in the game. So no, I won't play your scummy games. Gumshoe skips the day post, says we should talk about policy, doesn't discuss policy, asks some questions, and then accuses the person who is easiest to attack, Acrofales. My guess as to why he skipped the day post is that he got a powerful role(blue or scum) and was excited to use it. He is either a lazy townsperson with a powerful role or scum. Overall, I think he seems a little less scummy than Mattchew.
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Next post. I will call it WIFOM: The Phantom Menace (yes, it is bad enough to get a new trilogy title).
I am going to try to follow your logic, but feel free to correct me if I err at some point.
On March 23 2012 23:08 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote:
lol coming from littlefinger i dont suspect it will hold much weight Unfortunately it does not, we don't know his sanity. If someone were to check you tonight and confirm then maybe it would. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 20:00 Acrofales wrote:
Risen: wtf did you do to this thread. You posted an entire page of posts with largely useless analysis and ended up sheeping the Mattchew vote. While I agree with your final choice, your reasoning is completely out of wack. In your giant walls of text, you say I am more suspect than Mattchew, yet you vote for him. Why?
There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't.
Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea? Policy vote the guy who posted huge swaths of analysis on players and is contributing? K. I wasn't 100% on mattchew, and after reading this post it's pretty much confirmed that acrofales is scum in my mind (or he's just a townie who's harming us more than he's worth). If you had bothered reading anything after my initial analysis (which I'm sure you did, and then just decided to not pay attention to because it helps make you look like you're contributing) you would know why I voted for Mattchew.
This is the only part that I can almost agree with, but I have already responded. It is your COMPLETE overreaction to my frustration at the number of retarded cases made against people. Most of your analysis was not as bad as risk.nuke's case against Greymist, or Sinensis' case against MrZentor, but you managed to spam up the entire thread with it, so I put you in the list. You then went WTFBBQ I DON'T WANT TO BE POLICY LYNCHED. While in the same post I proposed NOT to policy lynch, but lynch Mattchew instead.
After I posted my analysis on you, I posted this. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 06:02 Risen wrote:EBWOP for acro analysis On March 23 2012 05:58 Mattchew wrote:On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer:
EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!
He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this: On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them? is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia. I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes.
Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?
This is COMPLETELY untrue. I NEVER said that 1 of you had to be scum, I simply stated that I don't think its possible both of you are scum, there is a HUGE difference. I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction. I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one) Hey look, it's the miraculous post that will change acro's mind. Seems to be working in collusion with you, but you don't need him to be working with you in order for you to find a post that will allow you to change your mind.
I can't even follow this reasoning, but lets try.
Assume Acro is mafia.
If Acro is mafia, then he will change his mind about Mattchew.
There is SO much wrong with this. Firstly it only works if Mattchew is also mafia, because if he's not then why the hell would I bother changing my mind. Secondly you are WIFOMing that the only possible reason that I could change my mind about Mattchew is because I am mafia. EVEN if Mattchew is not mafia. WTF?!
Then I made this post. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 13:45 Risen wrote:
Yeah sorry about that, wasn't thinking entirely. The rest of my analysis and anything further will be compiled into spoilers. Having said this, I'm going to place my vote on mattchew and suggest a vig hit on acro for now. This is by no means my final position. Mattchew just screams scum to me right now. Also, a different possible vig hit imo is Lyter, since all he is doing is lurking. Nicolas is out of the game, btw. Pretty clear to me that anyone who was scum wouldn't find the game boring, ergo he's almost confirmed town to me.
Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure.
##vote Mattchew With supporting evidence in the form of... Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality.
btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person Which, to me, looks like someone scrambling to discredit me. Then again, someone who is town would be just as freaked out. My vote would still be on him had you not made that horrible, HORRIBLE post. How about instead of saying, oh hey his analysis is weak, you say, oh hey his analysis is weak for X, Y, Z reasons? I'll tell you why, because you're scum just looking to discredit me quickly. Yeah, I shit up the thread with all my posts and should have spoilered them into one post, but you're construing that as mafia play? You're attempting to say that someone who is posting analysis (whether I went about it in the correct manner) is playing scummy? Then what is town to you? Policy lynch someone who is posting analysis that can easily be looked back at day2,3, etc? Or lynch someone who is contributing nothing useful and is just tunneling the shit out of Mattchew (then calling out people who vote for him with "shoddy reasoning" that he never points out)...
What the fuck am I reading here?! Anyway, I need to post this now, so I will analyze this properly in the followup post in 10 minutes or so, but basically this is you getting stuck in your own convoluted WIFOM thinking. Please drink the cup with the poisoned wine. FOR ALL OUR SAKES.
I was wrong earlier. You don't need to get off Mattchew, you just need to start up the wagon a little bit and then discredit anyone who agrees that Mattchew's play was scummy. I think Mattchew overreacted to your focus on him if he's town and he's going to have to be looked at by someone. You can sit back and say, "oh I don't like your reasoning. You're doing that for the wrong reason." etc, etc, etc and bully people off of him and onto another wagon. So Mattchew, maybe you're town and acro is using you as his "oh I contributed and I'm covering my tracks by calling the other people who vote for him bad" it's an OMGUS waiting to happen (he actually did OMGUS me with his mentioned post). Then again, maybe you're scum and acro's plan for people to get off you isn't going to work out and you're lynched. I don't want to help acro in either of those situations, I want him dead. I think mattchew is a prime target for checking tonight, but not for lynching. As always, feel free to point out why you disagree with this post with a reasoned analysis. You'll note that I haven't called a single person out in this thread when they were suspicious of me if they had their opinion backed up. I probably messed up somewhere in here, and you can point out where I did so, and I can respond with a reasoned post explaining more thoroughly anything you have issue with. That's how town plays, that's how town wins. We post and post and post and explain ourselves until we see someone who's fucked up their web of lies.
Acro, your posting doesn't have any substance. That makes this an easy decision for me since I never actually placed my vote on Mattchew.
##vote Acrofales
Yeah, this will also be dealt with in the followup post.
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