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Starcraft 2 came out nearly two years ago. Two years ago tournaments for $500 were the norm and anything more was just gravy. The community was close knit and growing fast, people from all walks of life were taking up Starcraft 2 as their game. When you played somebody there was friendly banter back and forth and by the end of the game you felt challenged but you had fun. Somewhere along the line that changed, the prize value in tournaments went up, the level of corporate investment went way, way up and even the average player changed. The current player of Starcraft 2 takes the game very seriously and it's not uncommon for somebody to rage at you after a game instead of simply gg'ing and leaving.
I'm personally extremely disappointed in the way the Starcraft 2 community is started to act. The reason Starcraft 2 is so successful as an esport is a combination of things, one of which being how much fun the game is to watch and how important quality casters are to the experience but even way above and beyond that the game grew fast because of the community. Spearheaded by guys like Day9 the Starcraft 2 community took on his personality and just wanted the game to grow. They loved watching people succeed more than anything and the amount of support the players and fans of the game showed some people was amazing.
Things change. The Starcraft 2 community is no longer about watching other people succeed but it's started to fill with jealousy for those that do succeed and there is no greater example of that than the absolute witch hunt of Orb. Orb's stream was entertaining to watch, he'd rage and swear (although I'm not a fan of that) but you knew what you were getting into when you watched him stream. Orb worked hard, he started casting small tournaments and then eventually got his shot at the big time with EG.
What Orb did and said in his ladder games is inexcusable, you simply don't use the words he did. However I don't think it was about that, he didn't even get a chance to "keep clean" on his own stream, people hunted down old, old examples of him saying stuff he should not have said. They found three examples in nearly two years of streaming and saved replays. The people that spent hours looking for examples of a human being making a mistake were doing it only to watch somebody else lose something they worked so hard for, not because they were deeply offended by it. If people were truly offended by what he said they would have simply stated the facts and then not watched him stream for EG, but they went way too far. Mailing EG's sponsers and hurting the brand for nothing more than old ladder games is insane. People are calling him out for being bad for the community and bad for the image of Starcraft 2 but the fact is the examples of Orb doing that were extremely hard to find and not common at all. There's far bigger members of the community that on first exposure are horrible for the image of Starcraft 2.
Lets use a couple of examples from early in the games release now to contrast how things and the community has changed as it's grown. If I was just getting into starcraft 2 and looking for Starcraft stuff if I google "day9 commentary highlights" the first thing I get is CombatEx vs. Chill commentated by the one and only Day9. While Day9 isn't dropping Nbombs in the video it's safe to say that the video is not something you want to show your mom. Day9 talks about all kinds of weird stuff highlighted by bear semen and buttfucking, not exactly the best first impression somebody can get of the nicest guy in our community. Does anybody try to get Day9 to step down and stop him from going to events? Hell no because he established himself a long time ago and has given back a ton to the community. He's also already successful and extremely popular meaning a Day9 witchhunt wouldn't succeed and people would just get exiled from the community for even thinking about it.
The second example is Destiny. If you come on to TL.net for the first time and look for user streams chances are the one with the most viewers is Destiny. I used to watch his stream but I stopped, and I stopped because of the way he spoke to others. I'm not a Destiny fan at all and he does things that make Orb look like an Angel. Nobody is calling for Destiny's team to drop him and nobody wants him to fail at supporting his kid. He's a sympathetic figure but man does he say some vulgar things. Imagine coming from a game like LoL (which has a reputation for a poor community) and hearing Destiny's stream for your first exposure. The amount of damage to the reputation of Starcraft 2 from somebody who sees these things before they watch iNcontrol, Artosis and Day9 could be insane.
Orb's done. He's finished in Esports. He's finished because people for whatever reason want him to fail, but what they fail to realize and see is that Orbs just like any of us. His dream is to work in Esports and cast Starcraft 2 and that's been taken away from him even after all his work at his craft to earn a shot. He needs to take responsibility and never say the stuff he did before again, and I think he's realized how big of a mistake those things were but it took an unbelievable amount of effort in one of the worst witch hunts I've ever seen to uncover very few examples of his actions, and examples from literally a year ago.
When you have some taken away from you because of mistakes that you made in the past it hurts, and it hurts a lot. It can make you a bitter person sometimes and make you want to watch others fail when you see them start to succeed. I think we've all been there, whether it's seeing an exgirlfriend marry her dream guy when the only reason you broke up is because of a mistake you made a month into a 3 year relationship or if it's a place of work where you got held off a promotion because of how you were when you first joined the company, not because of your current merits. It hurts, it hurts a lot and while you know it's your fault it doesn't feel fair.
I really want to believe that the Starcraft 2 community is something special, and I personally think we need rethink why we wanted Orb fired. I will be mailing the EG sponsors about the events that took place and letting them know my thoughts and that they should show support of EG and of Orb. I will also be mailing EG about the incident and I think they should give Orb another shot to live out his dream, and hopefully provide us some enjoyment too.
I encourage everybody who reads this, even the people that originally sent messages to EG sponsors, to strongly rethink why they did and what they think of the overall Starcraft community. The thing is Orb is an excellent commentator with a very solid amount of game knowledge and could be a future asset to get people into the game. Send your messages to EG and their sponsors to give Orb another shot, I think he deserves it.
Here's the bottom line. This ones for everybody who has ever worked for something only to have it taken away through no fault of their own, or through something from their past that they're not proud of. We have a chance to change somebodies fate who is as of right now in the same shoes we were once in at some point in your life. Imagine if you got that second chance with a girl, or another shot at the promotion at work how hard you would work to keep what you thought was lost, then translate it over to Orb and give him that opportunity. This is a community of second chances, this is a community of boosting people up and not trying to tear them down. At least I hope it is.
Please read the entire post before responding, and please keep it extremely civil. Even if we can't make a difference at least show that the community can be civil and is as great as it once was, show that we want success not trying to force others to fail.
 
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The bigger a community gets, the worse things it drags out of people. Combination of filth coming in and the less filthy becoming desensitized to filth and unknowingly incorporating it into their own attitude.
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People are so hungry for Drama, look at the whole Naniwa thing. It's sad that Orb was pretty much Ruined by this experience but these things are going to continue to happen.
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I was honestly pretty shocked at the community over this whole thing. And imo EG just had to wait a little bit for this to blow over and it would have been fine. I think this was completely ridiculous.
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i do love what that you care about the community but i must disagree with your post. the hatred of orb came out of many things but i do not think jealousy was one of them. people have a chance to call someone out. im not wuite sure what you expect from the commuity my friend? for us to grow and be a group of saints at the same time? impossible, the larger the community the more trolls, fact. in regards to destiny he has been bounced around from team to team for a while, he has had people backlash at him, but the thing is people still watch him and he is still marketable. orb was not marketable after the discovery of his comments. our commuity is growing as good as it can i believe.
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Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place.
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On March 10 2012 08:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
The bigger a community gets, the worse things it drags out of people. Combination of filth coming in and the less filthy becoming desensitized to filth and unknowingly incorporating it into their own attitude.
I think its more like the bigger a community gets, the less homogenous it becomes which leads to a bigger chance that there will be some very vocal minority of people who get extremely butthurt over X matter.
Haters gonna hate.
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I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success.
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On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success.
He used such a denigrating term that it truly was terrible. Where's the respect and decency?
Also, orb clearly knew he had done what he did (as suggested by the posters on reddit) but chose to purposely hide this, continue to deny it, and even insulted Totalbiscuit for believing that orb actually did use such an offensive term (which orb in the end did).
Respect. Integrity. Accountability. I don't know, they teach this stuff in elementary.
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I dont know what he exactly did in his stream and i dont care about him at all (didnt knew that he has a featured stream at all)
But I am curious that why people cared so much and did things to get him fired from eg? You can just close the stream and watch something else, it is not like that you are forced to watch him
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If WC3 is any indication SC2 will die off in a few years and we'll be left with Korea + a few random tournaments + a few weekly european cups. Then we can go back to not caring about being "professional" and worrying about the "growth of esports."
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On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place.
yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well.
You can't give that stuff a free pass.
The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances.
This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way.
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On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way.
People don't get banned on TL for posts from 3 months ago after they achieve success in the community.
I challenge you to name one positive thing that has come from the Orb incident. People have been ripping on people over and over for things they do and it's doing a lot more damage than good. This whole incident has nothing but make the community look like a mindless mob out for blood, damage the EG name and hurt the sponsors image and brands.
EG was forced into releasing Orb by the mob mentality, and yeah what he said was bad. Yes trying to hide it was bad but still is he really going to come out and say after the first incident that it may have happened in a couple of ladder matches before? The fact that people ran through hours of video looking for proof and checked all their replays is insane.
If your workplace could look through everything you've ever said or done and if they found 2 or 3 questionable things there would be a mob looking for your blood how many of us would actually have a job?
It saddens me that somebody has to deal with this on such a huge scale. It's okay for popular people but it's not okay for Orb to try and get past what happened? Lets go through all the streamers and check for nbombs, racial remarks, sexist jokes and anti-gay slurs get rid of them all, get their blood! It doesn't matter if Artosis said something at a tournament in 2006 he should be fired from GOM for it!
It's stupid and childish and does nothing but hurt the community, game and Esports to go for blood like this. In the thousands of games he played, in the hundreds of hours of streaming we found three incidents. I hope people hold themselves accountable to that high of a standard.
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On March 10 2012 09:22 Filter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way. People don't get banned on TL for posts from 3 months ago after they achieve success in the community. I challenge you to name one positive thing that has come from the Orb incident. People have been ripping on people over and over for things they do and it's doing a lot more damage than good. This whole incident has nothing but make the community look like a mindless mob out for blood, damage the EG name and hurt the sponsors image and brands. EG was forced into releasing Orb by the mob mentality, and yeah what he said was bad. Yes trying to hide it was bad but still is he really going to come out and say after the first incident that it may have happened in a couple of ladder matches before? The fact that people ran through hours of video looking for proof and checked all their replays is insane. If your workplace could look through everything you've ever said or done and if they found 2 or 3 questionable things there would be a mob looking for your blood how many of us would actually have a job? It saddens me that somebody has to deal with this on such a huge scale. It's okay for popular people but it's not okay for Orb to try and get past what happened? Lets go through all the streamers and check for nbombs, racial remarks, sexist jokes and anti-gay slurs get rid of them all, get their blood! It doesn't matter if Artosis said something at a tournament in 2006 he should be fired from GOM for it! It's stupid and childish and does nothing but hurt the community, game and Esports to go for blood like this. In the thousands of games he played, in the hundreds of hours of streaming we found three incidents. I hope people hold themselves accountable to that high of a standard.
If you dared to say the N-word at work in front of your company's clients, you'll be fired. If you think otherwise, give it a shot.
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On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way.
this characterization of TL moderation is completely wrong. we give many chances, unless the offense is just too bad. the overwhelming majority of users progress through warnings, then string of tempbans/warnings, then get permed. even then it's not an ip ban; people return all the time on new accounts to try to start anew.
quick, rash action like immediately writing sponsors disgusts me. yeah, the kid can be fucking dumb but he's not some horrid human being who deserves to have his career switch flipped off. suspend him, ridicule him, make him look dumb and yell for justice like every other public figure on reddit. but it's almost.. unfair to go straight to sponsors. disappointed in everybody involved.
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I don't understand how people feel it was pure mob rule that got orb fired. The man clearly shot himself in the foot multiple times by denying denying denying, and insulting TB over the 'slander'... I mean, I forgive orb, but you people seem to conveniently ignore some facts. EGs CEO even explained how it was the combination of both the n-word and the extreme denial.
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On March 10 2012 09:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 09:22 Filter wrote:On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way. People don't get banned on TL for posts from 3 months ago after they achieve success in the community. I challenge you to name one positive thing that has come from the Orb incident. People have been ripping on people over and over for things they do and it's doing a lot more damage than good. This whole incident has nothing but make the community look like a mindless mob out for blood, damage the EG name and hurt the sponsors image and brands. EG was forced into releasing Orb by the mob mentality, and yeah what he said was bad. Yes trying to hide it was bad but still is he really going to come out and say after the first incident that it may have happened in a couple of ladder matches before? The fact that people ran through hours of video looking for proof and checked all their replays is insane. If your workplace could look through everything you've ever said or done and if they found 2 or 3 questionable things there would be a mob looking for your blood how many of us would actually have a job? It saddens me that somebody has to deal with this on such a huge scale. It's okay for popular people but it's not okay for Orb to try and get past what happened? Lets go through all the streamers and check for nbombs, racial remarks, sexist jokes and anti-gay slurs get rid of them all, get their blood! It doesn't matter if Artosis said something at a tournament in 2006 he should be fired from GOM for it! It's stupid and childish and does nothing but hurt the community, game and Esports to go for blood like this. In the thousands of games he played, in the hundreds of hours of streaming we found three incidents. I hope people hold themselves accountable to that high of a standard. If you dared to say the N-word at work in front of your company's clients, you'll be fired. If you think otherwise, give it a shot.
Orb wasn't 'at work', so that's a pretty poor analogy.
I don't think this is specific to the SC2 community: it seems all gaming communities love petty bullshit and drama. SC2 is becoming more 'mainstream' in that the same population is part of its community as the others, and so we end up in the same old place - except with more self-righteousness because ESPORTS.
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On March 10 2012 10:05 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 09:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On March 10 2012 09:22 Filter wrote:On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way. People don't get banned on TL for posts from 3 months ago after they achieve success in the community. I challenge you to name one positive thing that has come from the Orb incident. People have been ripping on people over and over for things they do and it's doing a lot more damage than good. This whole incident has nothing but make the community look like a mindless mob out for blood, damage the EG name and hurt the sponsors image and brands. EG was forced into releasing Orb by the mob mentality, and yeah what he said was bad. Yes trying to hide it was bad but still is he really going to come out and say after the first incident that it may have happened in a couple of ladder matches before? The fact that people ran through hours of video looking for proof and checked all their replays is insane. If your workplace could look through everything you've ever said or done and if they found 2 or 3 questionable things there would be a mob looking for your blood how many of us would actually have a job? It saddens me that somebody has to deal with this on such a huge scale. It's okay for popular people but it's not okay for Orb to try and get past what happened? Lets go through all the streamers and check for nbombs, racial remarks, sexist jokes and anti-gay slurs get rid of them all, get their blood! It doesn't matter if Artosis said something at a tournament in 2006 he should be fired from GOM for it! It's stupid and childish and does nothing but hurt the community, game and Esports to go for blood like this. In the thousands of games he played, in the hundreds of hours of streaming we found three incidents. I hope people hold themselves accountable to that high of a standard. If you dared to say the N-word at work in front of your company's clients, you'll be fired. If you think otherwise, give it a shot. Orb wasn't 'at work', so that's a pretty poor analogy. I don't think this is specific to the SC2 community: it seems all gaming communities love petty bullshit and drama. SC2 is becoming more 'mainstream' in that the same population is part of its community as the others, and so we end up in the same old place - except with more self-righteousness because ESPORTS.
People get fired over things they do in their personal lives all the time. It's because they are representing a larger company or entity, so others will view their actions and see it as being the actions of the company. Infact I remember reading a blog a week or two ago about a guy who felt so betrayed because a guy from work, over a long period of time finally managed to get some 'dirt' on him or got him to say something within his personal realm that was unfortunately passed along, resulting in him being fired.
When somebody is in the public eye, they can easily get screwed over by actions or words that happened within their private life. Watergate, Mel Gibson and his offensive rants, etc etc... People don't necessarily separate the personal from the public.
EDIT: And one thing: if the person whom the accusations surround decide to deny until there is irrefutable proof, they are only hurting themselves and are causing the end result to become that much worse.
And I would also like to add I have absolutely nothing against orb. I will continue to watch his casting (if its ever around anymore), and I don't see why I would think anything less than him.
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On March 10 2012 08:57 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success. He used such a denigrating term that it truly was terrible. Where's the respect and decency?
Here's the thing. People pretended to be Orb on ladder and said that shit. Orb denied it, and people, going on an absolute witch hunt mode and started scanning thousands of vods trying to find any example of him saying something vulgar, and found examples from 1-2 years ago, before he was even considering talking to EG. Yes, the word is reprehensible and should basically never be used. But people in this community are fucking piranha's when it comes to drama.
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On March 10 2012 10:14 Naeroon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 10:05 Dfgj wrote:On March 10 2012 09:32 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On March 10 2012 09:22 Filter wrote:On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way. People don't get banned on TL for posts from 3 months ago after they achieve success in the community. I challenge you to name one positive thing that has come from the Orb incident. People have been ripping on people over and over for things they do and it's doing a lot more damage than good. This whole incident has nothing but make the community look like a mindless mob out for blood, damage the EG name and hurt the sponsors image and brands. EG was forced into releasing Orb by the mob mentality, and yeah what he said was bad. Yes trying to hide it was bad but still is he really going to come out and say after the first incident that it may have happened in a couple of ladder matches before? The fact that people ran through hours of video looking for proof and checked all their replays is insane. If your workplace could look through everything you've ever said or done and if they found 2 or 3 questionable things there would be a mob looking for your blood how many of us would actually have a job? It saddens me that somebody has to deal with this on such a huge scale. It's okay for popular people but it's not okay for Orb to try and get past what happened? Lets go through all the streamers and check for nbombs, racial remarks, sexist jokes and anti-gay slurs get rid of them all, get their blood! It doesn't matter if Artosis said something at a tournament in 2006 he should be fired from GOM for it! It's stupid and childish and does nothing but hurt the community, game and Esports to go for blood like this. In the thousands of games he played, in the hundreds of hours of streaming we found three incidents. I hope people hold themselves accountable to that high of a standard. If you dared to say the N-word at work in front of your company's clients, you'll be fired. If you think otherwise, give it a shot. Orb wasn't 'at work', so that's a pretty poor analogy. I don't think this is specific to the SC2 community: it seems all gaming communities love petty bullshit and drama. SC2 is becoming more 'mainstream' in that the same population is part of its community as the others, and so we end up in the same old place - except with more self-righteousness because ESPORTS. People get fired over things they do in their personal lives all the time.
Yes, I know. That doesn't make his analogy correct, though, which is what I was disputing.
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