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On March 10 2012 08:57 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success. He used such a denigrating term that it truly was terrible. Where's the respect and decency? Also, orb clearly knew he had done what he did (as suggested by the posters on reddit) but chose to purposely hide this, continue to deny it, and even insulted Totalbiscuit for believing that orb actually did use such an offensive term (which orb in the end did). Respect. Integrity. Accountability. I don't know, they teach this stuff in elementary.
I'm not defending orbs actions, I'm merely stating that mob mentality can be just as reprehensible. I don't understand how people can be proud to say that they were part of a mob that intentionally ruined a mans life. A mob ignores due process and I frankly think mob mentality is straight up barbaric at its worst. People need to think rationally about situations and not jump to action on the drop of a hat, especially on things this serious. An angry mob has nothing to do with integrity or accountability.
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On March 10 2012 11:06 Gecko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:57 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success. He used such a denigrating term that it truly was terrible. Where's the respect and decency? Also, orb clearly knew he had done what he did (as suggested by the posters on reddit) but chose to purposely hide this, continue to deny it, and even insulted Totalbiscuit for believing that orb actually did use such an offensive term (which orb in the end did). Respect. Integrity. Accountability. I don't know, they teach this stuff in elementary. I'm not defending orbs actions, I'm merely stating that mob mentality can be just as reprehensible. I don't understand how people can be proud to say that they were part of a mob that intentionally ruined a mans life. A mob ignores due process and I frankly think mob mentality is straight up barbaric at its worst. People need to think rationally about situations and not jump to action on the drop of a hat, especially on things this serious. An angry mob has nothing to do with integrity or accountability.
Mob mentality manifested this time around because Orb's behavior was at such a level of reprehensibility. I don't think it would have gotten to this point if Orb had simply been BM, but his overall idiocy in both throwing around racial and homophobic slurs and in responding to his being called out on it were both completely stupid and worthy of the treatment he got.
The mob mentality can be dangerous and bad, but in this specific scenario, the community coming together and rising up against Orb's behavior was a good thing.
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On March 10 2012 11:45 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 11:06 Gecko wrote:On March 10 2012 08:57 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster. I would comment on idra but angry mobs don't harass EG's sponsors over Idra.
I feel that a lot of this outrage was manufactured, the original posts on reddit bringing up orbs behavior were clearly made with malicious intent towards orb and the incident had happened months before. It's no coincidence that the OP posted that right after orb was hired onto EG as a full time caster. Its shameful for people to get all bent up and allow themselves to be manipulated like this. It seems to only take a few angry people to start a reddit mob and It saddens me that /r/starcrafts rules against public shaming and witchunting never feel enforced in any meaningful way.
This communities love of public shaming volunteers and burning sponsors is too much sometimes. People organize awesome tournaments and all we give are complaints. We only seem to contact sponsors out of anger, what happened to thanking pepsi for GSL? We need more stuff like that. The community needs to stop being so vile towards sponsors and volunteers if it wants to see long term success. He used such a denigrating term that it truly was terrible. Where's the respect and decency? Also, orb clearly knew he had done what he did (as suggested by the posters on reddit) but chose to purposely hide this, continue to deny it, and even insulted Totalbiscuit for believing that orb actually did use such an offensive term (which orb in the end did). Respect. Integrity. Accountability. I don't know, they teach this stuff in elementary. I'm not defending orbs actions, I'm merely stating that mob mentality can be just as reprehensible. I don't understand how people can be proud to say that they were part of a mob that intentionally ruined a mans life. A mob ignores due process and I frankly think mob mentality is straight up barbaric at its worst. People need to think rationally about situations and not jump to action on the drop of a hat, especially on things this serious. An angry mob has nothing to do with integrity or accountability. Mob mentality manifested this time around because Orb's behavior was at such a level of reprehensibility. I don't think it would have gotten to this point if Orb had simply been BM, but his overall idiocy in both throwing around racial and homophobic slurs and in responding to his being called out on it were both completely stupid and worthy of the treatment he got. The mob mentality can be dangerous and bad, but in this specific scenario, the community coming together and rising up against Orb's behavior was a good thing.
This is the problem.
Someone PRETENDED to be Orb and said shit on ladder, when he denied it they scanned through every single vod he had and thousands of videos to find a situation where he said a bad word 1-2 years ago. The point of what is being said here isn't that what Orb did shouldn't be considered reprehensible.
What is being said here is that no one in this community is doing it for the betterment of the community and its image, they are doing it because they love drama and have a bloodlust for causing it.
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People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. People found proof he did a bad thing, what about this is objectionable? Mob mentality and the presence of contemptible persons such as instigators and drama connoisseurs can be useful to the functioning of any large group of people. There are times when they take inappropriate action and need to be curbed but I see no reason to think this is one of them.
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On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. People found proof he did a bad thing, what about this is objectionable? Mob mentality and the presence of contemptible persons such as instigators and drama connoisseurs can be useful to the functioning of any large group of people. There are times when they take inappropriate action and need to be curbed but I see no reason to think this is one of them.
Because people were hungry for blood and wanted drama so they combed through every video he ever did, found vods from 1-2 years ago (before he even was thinking about casting) where he said it and got him fired over it. Not because they wanted justice, but because they wanted to see someone they didn't like fired and they love drama. If they wanted justice they would have gone to EG, not email these pictures to the sponsors so that EG would be forced to fire him without any due process.
How you don't see the issue here is beyond me. We're not saying what he said should not have been punished. What we are saying is that the means it was done, and the motives behind it only show the way this community has changed.
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I've personally talked to Orb, this isn't the end for him.
It's a setback sure, but if he quit now he'd just be giving these people what they wanted.
He's still going to be casting and I respect him all the more for it.
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On March 10 2012 09:07 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 08:43 Enervate wrote:
Firstly, it's debatable whether Orb was an excellent commentator.
Secondly, the Starcraft community should be praised for its actions in this matter. I fail to see how the community did anything wrong. The only person at fault is Orb.
Thirdly, here's a scenario. Imagine that a country just impeached its president. Why don't we give him a second chance immediately and elect him into office again? Because we don't think he should be in that office. That's why we impeached him in the first place. yup. if we want esports to grow and became viable, such actions must have consequences. Any soccer coach making a similiar comment would be fired and never hired again as well. You can't give that stuff a free pass. The best example is Team Liquid. It's probably one of the best eSports related site on the planet. Why? Because of harsh ban policy. No second chances. This is how it works and I am glad that it works this way.
I'm a PBU and I've been here a while, so yeah you do get second chances.
and in due time if Orb is still passionate towards casting he will too, its a learning experience.
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The SC2 community has shifted to an Esports community damning other Esports.
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On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter.
Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you:
*For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult 
EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves.
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Funny how OP joined in Nov 2010.
You dont know what the SC community was like back then. Your just romaticising it. If you look back through the old posts, theres still (Well, more) shitposting, people calling out others over stupid shit. We just didn't have a stupid amount of people that will never be part of the bigger community, and so have to rely on being part of the large crowd to get their opinion heard.
I do agree that Orb should not be removed from Esports entirely. Also I apologise for taking such an agressive stance, but you sounded quite pretenous in your first few paragraphs.
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He lied to his boss, where as Destiny is completely transparent with what he's saying, he doesn't attempt to 'frame' other people. Everyone knows that how he talks. Orb tried to put the blame on someone else and also liedto his boss, therefore he deserved to be fired.
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On March 10 2012 08:48 Gecko wrote:
I don't personally like orbs behavior or his casting but I think what the community has done is just sickening. mob justice left EG no choice but to drop orb before he even had a shot to prove himself as a professional caster.
That's not true. He lied to EG about it, and I personally think if he'd come out and said "yeah, I said those things, it's not acceptable and I am sorry" then the outcome would not have been the same.
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On March 11 2012 11:05 Host- wrote:
He lied to his boss, where as Destiny is completely transparent with what he's saying, he doesn't attempt to 'frame' other people. Everyone knows that how he talks. Orb tried to put the blame on someone else and also liedto his boss, therefore he deserved to be fired.
Where did Orb lie? The original pictures posted WERE fake and were not actually him, and Orb rightfully denied it so people went on a witch hunt through his old vods and found a few pictures from 1-2 years ago. There was no lying involved. Again, the issue here is NOT that Orb should not have been punished.
The issue is that no one here cares about justice or bettering the community. People did this solely for the drama, because that's all this community cares about anymore. Is the drama. If they wanted justice they would have gone to EG first and not over their heads to the sponsors and forced unnecessary hand. If they wanted justice and the improvement of Esports they would not have turned this into a witch hunt. This has nothing to do with Orb deserving or not deserving to be punished for what he did. This has to do with the community caring more about drama, and going to any lengths to make sure that they get it more than the progression of the game and esports.
I support Orb in his future endeavors just so these kids in this pseudo-bloodlust won't get what they want in him losing his career in what he loves forever. But it doesn't matter, because 3 months from now (at maximum) something else will come up and everyone will swarm on X person simply for the drama and controversy. Just look at the whole Naniwa thing, and now this.
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On March 11 2012 00:17 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you: Show nested quote +*For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves.
Unless his post was just bullshit, Garfield would have fired Orb anyway. That's clear enough.
NOWHERE does he say he was forced to fire Orb in any sense. You are extrapolating because that is what you want to think.
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On March 11 2012 13:01 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 00:17 bonifaceviii wrote:On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you: *For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves. Unless his post was just bullshit, Garfield would have fired Orb anyway. That's clear enough. NOWHERE does he say he was forced to fire Orb in any sense. You are extrapolating because that is what you want to think.
It's funny how you extrapolate something not without actual knowledge, but because it's what you want to think and then accuse someone of the very same thing in the same breath. Orb was fired because people sent pictures of him saying "Nigger" to the sponsors and EG was forced to act because of the overwhelming amount of emails and shit being sent to said sponsors saying for Orb to be fired and whatnot because of the pics.
I wish Orb the best though. It's a shame we live in a society where people are more concerned about punishing people than rehabilitating and fixing the issue. Because we, as a community and society, would rather watch someone burn and enjoy the drama than actually try to make things right.
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On March 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 13:01 UniversalSnip wrote:On March 11 2012 00:17 bonifaceviii wrote:On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you: *For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves. Unless his post was just bullshit, Garfield would have fired Orb anyway. That's clear enough. NOWHERE does he say he was forced to fire Orb in any sense. You are extrapolating because that is what you want to think. It's funny how you extrapolate something not without actual knowledge, but because it's what you want to think and then accuse someone of the very same thing in the same breath. Orb was fired because people sent pictures of him saying "Nigger" to the sponsors and EG was forced to act because of the overwhelming amount of emails and shit being sent to said sponsors saying for Orb to be fired and whatnot because of the pics.
Where did Garfield say he would not have fired orb if people hadn't done that? Go ahead, quote him.
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On March 11 2012 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On March 11 2012 13:01 UniversalSnip wrote:On March 11 2012 00:17 bonifaceviii wrote:On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you: *For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves. Unless his post was just bullshit, Garfield would have fired Orb anyway. That's clear enough. NOWHERE does he say he was forced to fire Orb in any sense. You are extrapolating because that is what you want to think. It's funny how you extrapolate something not without actual knowledge, but because it's what you want to think and then accuse someone of the very same thing in the same breath. Orb was fired because people sent pictures of him saying "Nigger" to the sponsors and EG was forced to act because of the overwhelming amount of emails and shit being sent to said sponsors saying for Orb to be fired and whatnot because of the pics. Where did Garfield say he would not have fired orb if people hadn't done that? Go ahead, quote him.
You don't make a claim, and say it's on the other person to prove you wrong.
The burden of proof is on you. You said Garfield would have fired him anyways. You simply do not know that, none of us know that. All we do know is that thousands of people emailed EG's sponsors with a picture of Orb saying nigger (probably completely out of context of the fact that they were from 1-2 years ago) and demanding he be fired/punishment be given and EG was, for all intents and purposes, forced to fire Orb to satisfy their sponsors.
Why the fuck am I even responding to this, I'm only encouraging this further. All you people want is fucking drama. You don't care about what's right, you don't care about fixing the issue, you don't care about rehabilitating the problem or Orb. All you fucking care about is having the next "big story" to make 500 blog posts and general threads on Teamliquid about. What is going on now is exactly what people like you strive for. Drama. You know what? I won't give you the pleasure of it.
If you, or others, feel that what happened, this mob mentality, bloodlust, witch hunt was necessary and, as others have said, "brings out the good" in this community -- I truly feel sorry for you and hope you never even consider taking a career in the criminal justice system in this country or even hold a true position of power. I agree Orb should have been punished, perhaps a suspension or something for what he did.
However, it should have gone through the correct channels. It should not have gone down the way it did, and the way it did happen only proves the mentality of the current community. If, at the end, Orb was fired through the proper channels I would have absolutely no issue with it and would be perfectly okay with the decision. But the fact that it went down in the manner it did absolutely disgusts me. It disgusts me even more that people think it's okay.
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On March 11 2012 13:13 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 13:06 UniversalSnip wrote:On March 11 2012 13:05 Candadar wrote:On March 11 2012 13:01 UniversalSnip wrote:On March 11 2012 00:17 bonifaceviii wrote:On March 10 2012 13:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
People who pretend EG was 'forced' to fire orb in any sense or pressured into it by mob outcry obviously did not read or did not understand alex garfield's post on the matter. Saying something like this makes me think you didn't read all of Alex's post and stopped at the fact that he's a black studies major. Here, I'll even quote the important part for you: *For those of you who complained to our sponsors: if you're satisfied with what I've written here, please re-contact them to let them know you're happy with us - really, please do it. For those of you who didn't initially complain, but are satisfied with this post nonetheless, I'd also ask that you contact our sponsors to let them know you support us. I would also ask that, in the future, if you're unhappy with something that happens in eSports, you guys give the offending party a chance to respond and/or act before seeking vigilante justice via contacting said party's sponsors. In this case, I promptly informed everyone that we'd be issuing a statement and were taking the matter seriously, but some of you still decided to contact out sponsors before hearing me out. I don't think that's fair. Please try to be more patient in the future. It's hard enough to bring sponsors into eSports as it is - we as an industry don't need angry, pitchfork-wielding mobs making that task any more difficult EG's hand was forced because morons on Reddit went over EG's head and straight to the sponsors, which should not have been involved unless EG was unable to resolve the situation themselves. Unless his post was just bullshit, Garfield would have fired Orb anyway. That's clear enough. NOWHERE does he say he was forced to fire Orb in any sense. You are extrapolating because that is what you want to think. It's funny how you extrapolate something not without actual knowledge, but because it's what you want to think and then accuse someone of the very same thing in the same breath. Orb was fired because people sent pictures of him saying "Nigger" to the sponsors and EG was forced to act because of the overwhelming amount of emails and shit being sent to said sponsors saying for Orb to be fired and whatnot because of the pics. Where did Garfield say he would not have fired orb if people hadn't done that? Go ahead, quote him. You don't make a claim, and say it's on the other person to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you. You said Garfield would have fired him anyways. You simply do not know that, none of us know that.
The fact that he says he's proud this occurred, that this is a matter of his personal political views, the general tone of the post, these things run completely contrary to what you are saying.
Why the fuck am I even responding to this, I'm only encouraging this further. All you people want is fucking drama. You don't care about what's right, you don't care about fixing the issue, you don't care about rehabilitating the problem or Orb. All you fucking care about is having the next "big story" to make 500 blog posts and general threads on Teamliquid about. What is going on now is exactly what people like you strive for. Drama. You know what? I won't give you the pleasure of it.
What the hell? I'm offended (EDIT: not actually offended. more amused.) by your characterization of me, which, not to my surprise, seems to be based on assumptions you have made that support the position you wish to have. The first thing I heard of this was Garfield's post, I read that, a thorough recap and orb's apology, and that is my total involvement with the matter and the complete extent of my 'bloodlust'. I haven't howled for anyone's nuts to be cut off or commented on the matter before this.
If you, or others, feel that what happened, this mob mentality, bloodlust, witch hunt was necessary and, as others have said, "brings out the good" in this community -- I truly feel sorry for you and hope you never even consider taking a career in the criminal justice system in this country or even hold a true position of power.
lol
However, it should have gone through the correct channels. It should not have gone down the way it did, and the way it did happen only proves the mentality of the current community. If, at the end, Orb was fired through the proper channels I would have absolutely no issue with it and would be perfectly okay with the decision. But the fact that it went down in the manner it did absolutely disgusts me. It disgusts me even more that people think it's okay.
The problem here is that you are attaching a few different unrelated ideas to each other. You think that because it's bullshit for people to email pictures of an offensive word to EG's sponsors, this necessarily means that orb would not have been punished or would have been punished lightly otherwise, and that orb should not have been punished or should have been punished lightly. These are three separate things. Why don't you just take your reasonable argument and run with it instead of getting inflamed and being rude to people over the internet when they're skeptical of your poorly constructed ones?
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I wonder who were the sad fucks that looked through hundreds of replays and vods just to find that one moment,
its just sad to know that there are people in this community who only seek for the downfall of others. thinking that by doing that they are more of a person than orb because they were not the ones to say nigger yet they dont realize that crushed a mans dream. agree with everything you said.
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Of course Starcraft community has changed.
That's what you get with "mainstream" and being a "successful esport".
As long as SC2 is this popular in the west, we're going to keep seeing all kinds of fake bullshit going on from all sides on weekly basis. Better get used to it, I certainly have.
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