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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Very few players are that gutsy as scum, IMO. Just look at regular trolls here: Kurumi only trolls when he's town and then when he's scum he's all serious because he's afraid of getting caught. Trolling brings you negative attention and I don't think he would do that unless he wasn't scared. Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote: At the moment I have no way to tell but I lean inactive town based on the fact that I doubt he'd have the balls to troll and post gifs as scum. Very few players are that gutsy as scum, IMO. Just look at regular trolls here: Kurumi only trolls when he's town and then when he's scum he's all serious because he's afraid of getting caught. Trolling brings you negative attention and I don't think he would do that unless he wasn't scared. Also I suppose I'm biased since BH attacked risk and I think BH is scum. On a slightly related note, based on the way BH refuses to comment on RoL he makes both himself and RoL look terrible. don't make him comment on Rol bugs... if he does I have no idea what's going on anymore. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:37 kitaman27 wrote: There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch? You were afk around that time and bugs was not here either. I somehow got the feeling you were afk on purpose the way you posted what I just quoted. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:37 kitaman27 wrote: There was a time yesterday when BH was a legitimate lynch candidate, yet I can't really find you commenting on him. Was there a reason that changed your mind or was it simply because you felt red was the better lynch? BH became a lynch candidate while I was gone. I basically wasn't around for 15ish hours prior to the lynch; sleep + class + shit. When I came back I noticed the BC counterwagon had grown to like 6 votes and BH randomly had votes. I didn't really even look at BH day 1, I was mostly concerned with redFF, Dr. H, and VE. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting. Tyrran: After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification. Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said. ;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote: Can we please lynch Blazinghand? +1 still no thoughts on RoL, BH? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
lol | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Go sit on a carrot | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out. Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor. Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn. Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud. Lurks it the fuck up. Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote: Can we please lynch Blazinghand? You aren't going to make me read through his filter are you? I think one of the reasons nobody looked at jayjay in arkham was because his filter was too long as well -_- | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 25 2012 06:37 kitaman27 wrote: You aren't going to make me read through his filter are you? I think one of the reasons nobody looked at jayjay in arkham was because his filter was too long as well -_- A town move would be to actually read my filter, or at least read other people's cases against me, and determine what you think about it. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On a more serious note, I had a midterm earlier today and during that time I was studying and intermittently posting. I didn't want to invest time into reading a filter and posting a read. This is something I have done in the meantime, and you can find it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=55#1084 + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote: So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear). He has a few posts that are less lurkey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498 But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this: This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful. He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._. This is his only case: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post.+ Show Spoiler [Post on VE] + On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. + Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] + On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: Ok am back. Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 25 2012 06:16 Jitsu wrote: Just got back for the day. Saw a few things that struck out at me. It seems a lot of this RoL train has to do with his meta of being inactive. I'm not entirely privy to this. That being said, he's another one that is basically sitting back and letting the town attack each other without doing anything groundbreaking to prove his innocence. He comes back after lurking, to post OMGUS reads, then peaces. I haven't read the entirety of his case on DrH yet, only saw that he had posted it, so I will go back and check that out. Dirkzor is floating somewhere between null and scum to me. I think part of it is confirmation bias, but since DrH has stated a lot of things the same as I have in my first case against him, I feel confident in my read. That, and I have received very little criticism about it, other then the fact that it was [defended?] by Dirkzor. Risk.nuke. Guy is giving me negative vibes, mannnn. Guy calls me out Day1 and says he would support my lynch. Doesn't give reasoning other then my Dirkzor case wasn't heartfelt. Laugh Out Loud. Lurks it the fuck up. Then he comes back, and either A) disregards my request to answer me about the above lynch support, or B) isn't reading the thread. To me, and to everyone else, he's acting anti-town. How has anything he has done supported town discussion or behavior? cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 25 2012 07:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: cool thanks for the summary of what is happening no one cares I care! Jitsu still playing in a sub-optimal fashion, in stark contrast with his D1 play. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote: Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this So i read this and thought i would check out his other post. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] + On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. + Show Spoiler [ regarding BH] + On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote: Ok am back. Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well. And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange. In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar. So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game. I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now. It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head. Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me, can you stop that in the (near) future please?  On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his feeling so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 25 2012 07:34 Toadesstern wrote: using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. EBWOP :p | ||
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