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On February 25 2012 03:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
RoL thinks I'm mafia because I don't care about guessing what the mafia will do at night, especially after people are announcing it in the thread. Terrible analysis, he's doing it only out of defense and his "activity" is completely centered around his defense now.
I swear to god, I get this shit every time. I'm not bothering defending your accusation which is retarded. You were mad I didn't reiterate points against BC, yet if I did I would get accused of having no original analysis. It's fucks me either way in your analysis so don't try to pretend that was even an actual point. I have over 30 posts and I have other shit to do, I don't get it. Do I need to spam 24/7 from my phone to not be accused of inactivity? I could surely go WBG/BH style all over this game if you want.
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On February 25 2012 04:36 Blazinghand wrote:So it looks like RoL is lurking to me. In Purgatory Mafia he did the same thing and he was scum (a few IRL days in, though, he suggested some horrible mass claim plan that made it pretty clear). He has a few posts that are less lurkey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426¤tpage=25#498But no major reads, which I find scummy. He also is making posts like this: Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey guys, sorry about inactivity today I just got home. I will be on tomorrow around 6pm EST from work and will post my case then. This seems like typical lurkin behavior, and attempting to generally dodge and be unhelpful. He does come to his own defense, but it's all meta ._. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 01:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2012 16:34 syllogism wrote:WBG seems fine to me so far. RoL on the other hand has done no scum hunting at all and basically voted for redff because he claimed tracker. Dr.H's case here makes a lot of sense. He also seemed fine with BC lynch which is ok, but he didn't add any reasons of his own other than just stating "I'd rather get him out of my head". What? I'm also not letting him get away with inactivity day after day as happened in Purgatory. That case better be amazing RoL and I don't want opinions just on one player ##vote Rebirthoflegendrisk.nuke any thoughts on anyone at all? You still aren't playing the game despite getting called out. The few posts you have have basically no content. I've only very vague and weak reasons for believing that you might be town, but if you don't start posting content soon, that will change. You do remember you called me scum the entire game for being inactive day 1, even though I was active rest of the game? Then now you are mad because I was active day 1, but was busy part of day two? This wreaks of inconsistency, just saying dude. This is his only case: + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2012 01:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Forgive me if this is a bit brief, but I have to head to work soon, but I will be back around 6. Helvetica is scum, not really going to preface this but I will show the posts specifically and demonstrate my points. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 23 2012 02:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 23 2012 02:22 Jitsu wrote:On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote:
I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
Dirkzor
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Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now. The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought. Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point. I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch. - non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part. - says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy" - On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy... This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it. - says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum. - doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target. Something is up. ##vote Dirkzor No, I'm completely unfamiliar with BC's meta other than a game I played with him as scum too long ago to remember. That game was a perfect victory for us too. Dirkzor has made some alarming posts but also some solid points against other players, I want to hear how he responds to criticism before I consider lynching him because I may just be misunderstanding or misreading him. On February 23 2012 02:26 Blazinghand wrote:
I still don't see what the problem is with lynching redFF at this point. He's never gonna get shot by the mafia if he's town just to make us sad, will get RBed or *And I think this is the case* he's just mafia and punched out this tracker claim since he's out of breathing room and will claim RB. So you sheep all game and then say it's okay to lynch town just because "mafia won't shoot him" night 1? How do you know what the mafia will do? WIFOM galore and lynching town is not okay. K, I know you are smarter than this or at the very least functionally literate, so I'm going to give you around 20 minutes to read the last 3 pages of the thread and realize why this isn't some dumb wifom shit, its an obvious end result of RedFF's dipshit scummy claim. It is WIFOM. I agree scum would probably not shoot redFF if he is town AND survives Day 1 considering he's distracting and an easy lynch target, but I don't agree that it's alright to lynch town. redFF's claim is stupid and I'm not sold on it considering he didn't even say a name with it and just dipped out immediately. They should roleblock him but I just don't like making arguments or lynches based on predicting what the mafia will do. I can think of countless times I've been scum and we've concocted to do the opposite of what town would expect, even make bad shots just to confuse people. Mafia is not a game played by machines that make the most efficient decisions and even if what he said is likely correct, it is not helpful. This post is scummy. Seriously, I can't stress this enough. The logic isn't congruent. Predicting scum behavior can be hard sometimes, but this is honestly one of the most straightforward uses of it. We know scum most likely has a RBer, or at the very least we are assuming that. When someone claims Day 1 so they don't die they intend to use their power to prove their claim, or that's the idea. As scum, you can claim must of been roleblock, but even if he's town then scum most definitely will roleblock him because we are forced to deal with RedFF giving no evidence to his innocence through role usage and holding off a claim that never actualizes. What? The mafia is going to mind fuck us by confirming a tracker....? I can't imagine any circumstance where they would let that happen. It's bullshit. Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I didn't sheep anybody. I made my case on BC well before I even read syllogisms original post. You're connecting points I'm making in specific reference to other peoples posts to unrelated ideas. I was trying to illustrate that the wagon forming quickly doesn't mean much. The scum don't need to defend redFF if they can get somebody else lynched.
I don't think my posts are wishy washy. I wasn't yelling in the thread for one person to get lynched over any other, but that can't really be defined as wishy washiness. I wasn't planning on rebutting the case on redFF because I never ever thought it needed to be rebutted. I voted for redFF in the end. I moved my vote to BC to put pressure on him and make sure he stays active in the thread, his responses satisfied me enough that I wanted to stick with my original convictions and give BC Day 2 to prove himself. Needless to say I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
Calling BC the alternative lynch is a non-point since his flip, or lack thereof, was inconclusive. You don't know whether or not he is scum, unless you are scum, so implying that it is a defensive alternative makes no sense as town especially considering redFF is the person I voted for.
I never called RedFF not scum. I never called him 100% scum. I said very clearly RedFF is likely scum or terrible town but his claim is poorly done and seems defensive. I was more than okay with the RedFF lynch, which seemed so likely to go through at the time I switched to BC to pressure another player I was suspicious of. Seeing as RedFF has been AWOL during this entire period, I feel I made the right choice. If I didn't think RedFF was very suspect, I would have been far more vocal in trying to get people to join a BC bandwagon but you will notice I did no such thing as far as I can recall anyway. That's as much as I'll say in the interest of defending myself.
This redFF "flip", or whatever it is, is inconclusive and I don't feel it necessary to comment on it further. I'll read filters when I have the time. This is the second thing that really stood out to me. He's soft defending RedFF by trying to switch over to BC last minute while still saying he thinks RedFF is still possibly scum. If you think he's scum then why switch to BC? It doesn't make sense, then when the town decides on RedFF he marches right back over flip flopping. The first post I used and his behavior around the end of day 1 were both suspicious with the blatantly poor logic to defend redff, and the flipflopping BC/RedFF towards the end of Day 1. Day 1 DrH also barely did anything and posts a whole bunch of filler, but that can be said of most people. Its what his real activities goals were namely, soft defending RedFF without trying to make it obvious when there is one reason to try to mask who you are defending. Anyway, I had these reads since day 1. I skimmed the thread from day 2, but I will try to post more when I get back later. This two were some of the biggest scum reads I had day 1. So yeah, ##Vote DoctorHelvetica and only after he was attacked. It strikes me as BS. He's lurking, but not as bad as Risk imo. If he doesn't shape up during this day I'd be comfortable going after him. At least he's made some statements that he can be held to.
You are now on my invisible person list. I will never respond to one of your posts for rest of the game.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town. Yet here we are. I didn't ask "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH." Don't play it up like I am blowing up in you're face. I said, Do you think i'm scum? I asked it for a reason. The "sudden dearth of content and pressure" was due to me being busy most of the morning/afternoon until I got home, after lunch, with my girlfriend. Then I got on to post. I can't help it that there were 6 pages of "conversation" that was generated during that time. If that gives you cause to pressure, so be it. What pressure? This is all in response to one fucking person saying "no one cares" about my post. Totally different from pressure. Again, you are trying to paint me in a negative light. I was responding to why DocH was being an absolute dick for almost no apparent reason, at least to my standards, and was questioning that - it had nothing to do with you until you voiced your unwanted opinion. And even beyond that, if you have a scent of a scum player, are you seriously going to get off the trail? No. The Blazinghand I know wouldn't have "bigger fish to fry." You would go after it. And as for that, I don't like the way you have handled your entire game thus far, and since I like to hold people accountable for their stupid actions. ##vote: Blazinghand
I'm still waiting for a useful post from you. Not surprised by the OMGUS/wagon hop though.
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On February 25 2012 09:18 Tyrran wrote:Okay guys, I've been a bit sick for the last day. Still not completly cured, but feeling good enough to read some filter and strat scum hunting. Blazinghand I feel like his posting has improved compared to day 1. His is pointing at potential scum slip, and i feel like he is actually trying to help town rigth now, and no longer just posting useless posts. Still not confirmed townie, but on the rigth track. Toad Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 07:04 layabout wrote:Guys! I think i have found the REAL village idiot! On February 25 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 25 2012 04:41 syllogism wrote:
He isn't voting for me, he accidentally voted for sandroba (co-host) and immediately corrected himself.
I doubt there is a SK as we had a no kill night, 2 kp makes most sense for mafia in this setup and 3 hits being blocked/failing is very improbable Agree. If there's someone out there being a medic and you protected someone who had a (in your opinion) high chance to get shot make a note of that player because it's pretty likely to be a townie. Unless of course you protected some bullshit who is not going to be shot in the first place, but why would you do that, right? KP's are missing and they've got to be somewhere. Yeah I know we don't know about KP but in minis mafia usually have 1 KP with 3 members (12 player games?) and we got 18 players total and 4 mafias. Something like 2 KP as long as mafia is at 4 or 3 members alive sounds reasonable to me. Of course it could be 1KP if mafia got really nice roles but for now I'm assuming we're lacking 2 KP or at the very least 1KP. But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. ##Vote Rol I am suprised nobody has picked up on and commented on this But let's get this rolling, I'm voting RoL as well as I'm kind of uncertain on VE's alignment and BH is just way to scummy to be judged right now. I explained that in another post of mine, don't fos me because of that phrase without reading my other posts, I hate to repeat myself all the time. So i read this and thought i would check out his other post. + Show Spoiler [Post on VE] +On February 25 2012 00:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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The fact that you're being so dramatic in this game leads me to believe you're putting on an act. All the UGH's and NOOO's and emoticons and all this shit, I might take another look through your responsibility filter but it seems you were pretty on point by then. It seems like you're trying to please everybody and lay suspicion at the same time, I guess. That's the best way I can put it. That's btw the exact same thing I see in VE this game and I already said it somewhere earlier I think. He's not the way we see him this time when he rolled town. Town VE nowadies tries really hard to controle his emotions. Most of the time that will make a VE that is calm the first 1 or 2 days, tries to help and snap the 3rd day because of someone like wbg, or redFF or simply because something else. Mafia-VE is very well aware of his meta. He does that on purpose. He trolls on purpose and he writes bullshit on purpose because he knows that people think bad of him and therefore will take bullshit as a towntreat. Also being so emotional is a bad treat for townies because they're not judging objectivly but instead desperatly try to find something scummy within a filter of someone they think to be mafia. He knows that as well and snaps on purpose as Mafia as far as I know. I'd say he's putting a show on for us, trying to get his old, bad Meta, which makes people think he's a townie. You appear to be saying that you think he is putting on a meta based act to make people beleive he is townie On February 25 2012 03:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 03:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about this Toad: I'm genuinely upset at DocH because he's one of my strongest town-reads and he spent at least 2 hours last night being a fucking dick to me? Does that not factor in? Does the fact that I tried being civil and keeping my cool not factor in at all?
I'll admit that I lost it last night - but look at the reasoning. DocH is just calling everything I do scummy. I don't know why, and I don't know what he expects. This is how I play Mafia. But I'm not going to apologize for trying to find scum. It should be clear to anyone reading the thread that I'm trying to find scum.
Move your vote somewhere useful Toad. I'm rereading, so I don't really know where that would be...but take it off me. You'll only end up disappointed. mmmh. Good thing you answered. I'd say Towny-VE would answer me while Mafia-VE would not even bother talking about it because it's only me who's attacking you and it's not like that's a great danger (yet^^). So while my points about you still stand I voted you to get some reactions. So far I like what I see because imo it's a Town-VE treat imo. Doesn't mean you're town to me but you're off my list for now. ##unvote You then unvote him because he responded to you after you voted for him. The fuck? Oh wait! You say you only voted for him for reactions! What a great an awful move for a town player to do! You say that the points you made previously (he is putting on an act to appear town) still stand. You say that you think he is town. You say that that doesn't mean you think he is town but he is of your lynch list. Now you are saying you are unsure. On February 25 2012 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok am back.
Lynching Rol seems fine to me. lynching risk would be nice as well.
And BH is still a huge isue for me. He's so scummy I can't believe it. He hasn't claimed mafia in the thread like wbg was saying but it's really strange.
In fact I don't think a player that gets coaching from scumbuddies would play like that unless told to do that on purpose because it's freaking with people's radar.
So imo it's either a mafia who is told to post shit because he's already dead in their opinion which is HIGHLY unlikely or it's a townie that is confused a lot. Or the explanation I like the most: Palmar is a huge dick and seriously added a VI to this game.
I don't know enough about Palmars dickerieness so I'd stick with the confused townie for now.
It's frankly the same feeling I had in L about palmar. It was just so over the top weird / scummy that I thought there's no way he's that bad. In L I had a nice explanation for that behavior because I thought Palmar is stubborn after his last game, however I don't have one here which is the reason I'm using "confused" for whatever is going on in his head.
Still reading the last 5 or so pages. Let me get this straight: Bh is a huge issue for you. He is not just scummy, but he has reached a level of scummy-ness that you cannot believe. BH has not claimed mafia. You do not believe that a player on a scum team would ever act so scummy. Scummy essentially means behaving like mafia. So you essentially you do not beleive that mafia would act like mafia. You conclude that a scummy player cannot be scum and that he is either a confused townie or the host is messing with us. That is some of the most horrific "logic" that i have ever had to process. Toad is basically saying. "BH really looks like mafia. As mafia BH would not look like mafia as much as he does. So BH is town hurting himself in his own confusion. I am not going to vote for the player that i think looks so scummy i have had to invent an entirely new method of thought in order to avoid voting for." using a single [big] would be enough, just for future references. Maybe even 2 but more than that hurts my eyes reading, do me a favor and stop that in the (near) future, please  On to what you actually said: About VE: No, I never said I think he is town. I said what I picked up so far gave me a mafia feeling based on his meta so I checked what'd happen if I voted him and yeah I don't think he would have responded to that as mafia. Yes that means that I picked up different Meta-Vibes from VE. Therefore I don't want to lynch him today because one of those Meta-reads has to be wrong and I'm not sure which one it is. He's not Schrödingers-VE after all. What's the problem with that one? About BH: Yeah I said it looks weird but that's what I think. wbg said the guy basicly claimed mafia in the thread, I'd say that's a little exaggeration but only a very little. I said the very same thing about Palmar in L and was right in the end, Palmar did not flip mafia and neither did I. And no I did not flip VI in that game either. Toad delivers two strong scum read, and for both of them says he doesnt want to lynch them. I've got to say, layabout his rigth. Either they act scummy, in which wase they are lynch candidate, or they act towny, and should not be lynched. Also, he votes for RoL over those too without any reason, just to "get this rolling". He is basically defending both VE and BH by saying : "they look scum but hey, dont lynch them". Which to be honest is like the worst possible defence. RoL : His entire case against DocH seems to be seems to be revolving aroung DocH soft defending redFF. NOw if redFF actually had flipped scum, his case would make DocH a potential lynch, but as of now, with no flip information it feels really weak. I dont really see any good reason for pushing a DocH lynch. I'll put my vote on him, to pressure him to come post useful posts. ##vote RoL
What I was basicly saying all the time: I need more time to understand what's going on with VE because I am picking up town- AND mafia vibes. He can't be both at the same time, therefore one of the things I pick up has to be wrong. I don't know which one it is and I don't want to be moron that roles the dices like I did in AC. Therefore I said he looks scummy but I'm not sure of this yet because of something else I got which looks like a Townie, therefore I need some time to understand what's going on.
Compare it to rad's fake DT check in AC. By the time he posted people did not understand it was fake and it looked incredible townish because hey, it's a fucking DT check and he claimed another check on Sheth the day before that that turned out to be right. A bit later I realized that Palmar actually was the Batman and *breadcrumbed* that Radfield was Talia and voted Radfield because he was a confirmed mafia at that point. It's pretty much the same here. I got different issues, a couple directing towards mafia, a couple directing towards town and I haven't figured out what's going on yet.
How is that a bad thing? I am not sure of his alignment yet, therefore I am not willing to lynch him because I think I'm going to be able to understand this within a couple days.
About RoL: I am pretty sure I already mentioned him somewhere else or at least agreed to someone else thoughts on RoL. The 3 lynch options for me yesterday (RL days, it's 2am were I am right now) were VE, BH and RoL. As I am not sure abut VE and I think BH behaves weird. When I say weird I'm talking a about weird like "not the way I'd think he would given my conclusion" and yeah that's a gutfeeling. Take a look at L what I said about Palmar, take a look at what Sandroba was doing in TL Mafia XLVIII for references. I'm not sure what of those two it is.
Because of that it is obvious for me that my vote goes to RoL for now and I don't see a problem with that.
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I feel you Toad; I said the exact same thing about VE earlier.
Generally though if someone is exhibiting both tells I just ignore them until I'm forced to deal with them. BH is nothing but scum and RoL is nothing but lurk so it's easy killings either way.
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Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand
I'm not your buddy pal
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On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal
Then start thinking of your own cases or your own points to add to cases. You have yet to post anything new or insightful. Possibly something useful you could learn
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BC - is this DocH's normal play? It looks to me like he's pouring on the "Hey guys, watch me pressure these noobs!" a little thick...
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 10:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal Then start thinking of your own cases or your own points to add to cases. You have yet to post anything new or insightful. Possibly something useful you could learn
I highly disagree. I think I rather reasonably called out Jitsu.
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On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal
lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over
even semantically, it's fucking hilarious
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On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game
You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active.
Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake.
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On February 25 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC - is this DocH's normal play? It looks to me like he's pouring on the "Hey guys, watch me pressure these noobs!" a little thick...
He does this alot with pressuring people. I think his lack of confidence in some of his reads / the way he is more carefully moving around with his posts he is more likely town. The games I have read he has been in as red he has been really really really confident. He just doesn't have that air this game. I could be wrong but this is purely based on past experience.
However that doesn't mean I agree with his reads.
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over even semantically, it's fucking hilarious
This is actually a south park reference
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On February 25 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over even semantically, it's fucking hilarious This is actually a south park reference
and as you can tell, I don't care for your spam
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 25 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Hey BH I have a question for you. Why is it that you are so suspicious of me yet so far have posted cases on people that I have pushed? Why is it that your cases are all rehashes of other peoples cases? Why is it that you seem to not possess a single original thought of your own in this entire game? Why are you so fing hostile to people who have done nothing but question you on valid reasons?
You appear to be buddying yourself up to me hard core yet stated you think I am mafia. As such you would have no reason to look at the people I point at and then rehash my entire arguments. Not only that but you quote the same posts I used for my case on risk.nuke. It looks scummy as hell then add in your general behaviour now you seem like the best lynch at this moment.
##vote Blazinghand I'm not your buddy pal lawl I love watching you contradict yourself over and over even semantically, it's fucking hilarious This is actually a south park reference and as you can tell, I don't care for your spam
sorry ;_;
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Blazinghand
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On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake.
I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu.
Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress
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On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress
You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you.
On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are.
This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town.
You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning.
I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
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On February 25 2012 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 11:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 25 2012 05:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Jitsu:
I don't like the fact that after an aggressive, questioning, and generally pro-town Day 1, he's been basically MIA. This guy can be an asset to the town, but currently he's being lazy / lurking. I'd like him to contribute more today rather than just sitting on his D1 contributions and resting.
Tyrran:
After a decent case on redFF, he moves his vote onto me with a decent justification.
Then, for the past 48 hours (basically since the no flip) He has made two posts, one of which was like "oh hey there was no flip" and the other of which commented somewhat unusefully on what's been said.
;_; that's totally not chillaxin man. These guys need to step up their D2 game You mean this post where you said he was pro town? To me this isn't you pushing a case, this is you asking for someone to be more active. Nothing you has posed in any of your posts against jitsu is actually a case, its just pressure to be active. Give me something real not fake. I didn't say I pushed a case. Tell me where I said I pushed a case on Jitsu. Oh, hey, you can't, cause you're misrepping me like a member of congress You actively analyzed his posts and although never made a "case" you were obviously pushing him as a potential scum. However, to use your own words against you. On February 25 2012 09:15 Blazinghand wrote:On February 25 2012 09:12 Jitsu wrote:
And yet, my first scum read (Dirkzor) was later reinforced by DocH, who is now acting like a fool.
Pretty funny if you ask me.
How about you? Do you think i'm scum? I ask you, since DocH is obviously too afraid to say so one way or another. I think you're responding to this, the briefest and lightest of pressures, in a scummier fashion than I'd expect out of you. I think your town play is solid. I can't yet definitively say you're scum, and I have bigger fish to fry at the moment, but I don't like the way you've handled this. This divisive and generally unhelpful "do you think i'm scum" stuff isn't even what this is about. My main criticism of your play is the sudden dearth of content and pressure I've seen today. The proper response to this isn't to flip out and start asking people "DO YOU THINK IM SCUM HUH" or say "oh I have no idea what my reads are. The proper response is to make cases, hunt scum, and help town.Yet here we are. This here is actually a "case" you made yet you deny making a case? So does that mean that as all you have done is rehash peoples arguments and not pushed your own targets and thus not actively hunted scum you have already broken the advice you gave Jitsu? What about all the spam one liners and insults you have recently posted which is also not helpful to town. You are denying making a case, (although I believe you did, making a case even if its only used as suspicion is still a case), and have not been helpful to town at all today, and your "scum hunting" is spotty at best so that would make you a hypocrite and thus must be scum by your own reasoning. I didn't say I didn't make a case, I said I didn't say I made a case. You said I said I made a case and I said I called him out.
MAKING A CASE IS CALLING HIM OUT YOU DUMB FUCK
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