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On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?
well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view.
sandro is probable scum unless he does something tomorrow. He's so far been useless and his idea about the mass mason claim was stupid.
Protac I think is scum based on how he switched lynch targets. He/they switched as it was convenient, to macpo.
Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind.
BC, I'm leaning pretty town. The only thing that's unsettling is how little he said about Palmar before lynching him, but I'm fine with the lynch and I wasn't really set off about anything else BC has done.
The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII.
At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too.
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On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?
well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too.
Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde.
Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me.
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On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership.
We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement.
On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler
I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them.
We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch.
BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing.
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On January 16 2012 09:47 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing.
Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it?
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On January 16 2012 07:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Mr. Wiggles' Mason Circle Plan![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9mJtN.png) A Visual Representation Hey, because people all decided to claim mason for some reason, what do we think about making a mason circle? Let's say we have: Mason A Mason B Mason C Mason D Mason E Who I will refer to solely by letter from now on. The circle would work like this: A masons with B, B masons with C, C masons with D, D masons with E, and then E could either mason with A, or another player. This effectively creates a two way line of communication with all our masons. In other words, it creates a pseudo-mason circle. This will allow our claimed masons to talk to each other, as a group, thus increasing their effectiveness. As well, this allows the same people to talk to each other day after day, simply by switching the order of the masoning. Additionally, this solves the problem of either ignoring masons, or worrying about mafia influence through talking to masons. With this plan, each mason should be passing on each message they receive, so all information will be disseminated in the chain, and it increases the likelihood of catching any scum mason who has claimed. This plan relies chiefly, that all claimed masons will be active and diligent in passing on their PMs. If any mason is found to be active in thread, but not passing on their PMs, or having a sharp drop in activity and thus not allowing the circle to function, then we should consider them for a vig shot or lynch. Next, there is the problem of a scum mason editing the messages he receives in order to sow confusion. First, we must agree that all masons will simply copy+paste any message they receive. Next, we have several options depending on what kind of circle we use. If we have all masons mason each other, with no extra people, then we have a circle. So, each mason will simply pass his message along, with any additional text, in the same direction that his PM has been going. If he wants to respond directly to the person who PMed him, then he can send the PM in both directions. How this will work, is that everyone will always pass on each message they receive, until it reaches them again, at which time, they will compare the PM to their original and check for differences. (This program will help: http://www.sourcegear.com/diffmerge/ ) If they find any differences, then they will say so in the thread, and each mason will post their respective PM. Then, we search for the origin of the discrepancy. Scum will be hesitant to actually fake a discrepancy with their original PM, as it will essentially be trading one-for-one. Also, town has NO reason to doctor PMs they send out in the mason circle. If we have all masons mason each other, but then add in an extra person to the circle, so that it's a line with two ends, we will have to use a different method to check for sinister editing. The first is that we post all PMs publicly in the thread. This reduces the effectiveness of the circle, but is the safest method for checking that all PMs were sent in their original form and remained intact. The other method, is for the two people at each end of the line to ask questions about certain PMs. It will be unlikely that both of them are scum, and if they are, they should only remain at the end of the line for one day. If they fake editing and we kill a couple of town masons, then we'll just cull the entire circle, as again, town has NO reason to doctor PMs they send out in the mason circle, so it must mean there are multiple mafia in the circle, or the extra people added to the circle were mafia. In this form of a line, each person will either send a PM in one direction if they don't add anything to it, or in both directions if the do. This again ensures that all players in the circle receive all PMs. So, that's my plan for salvaging all the mason claims and creating a powerful tool for the town. We have two ways we can implement this. Either we go with a line, which is slightly more effective, as it allows an extra person into the circle, or we go with a circle, which is much safer. In my opinion, using the circle method is the better choice, for while the circle will be smaller, it lets us check much more easily for mafia influence, and the dissemination of information should proceed much more smoothly. This is open for discussion though. What do people think?
This is not a good idea.
If the players involved in the Mason chain are known, it is too easy to disrupt by the mafia. This will inject chaos into the thread which we absolutely do not need.
Furthermore, if there is at least one mafia Mason in the chain, it will give the mafia even more information that they can use. They can find out about any plans being made ahead of time. This will give them time to mobilize and counter-plan. I don't support this idea at all.
In fact, even with all of the claims so far, I still do not support the mass Mason claim.
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On January 16 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:47 kingjames01 wrote:On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing. Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it?
Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation.
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On January 16 2012 09:52 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote:On January 16 2012 09:47 kingjames01 wrote:On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing. Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it? Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation.
as far as I know you are allowed to post pms unless they are from a host. However you are not allowed to post a pic of your inbox.
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On January 16 2012 09:52 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:51 Jitsu wrote:On January 16 2012 09:47 kingjames01 wrote:On January 13 2012 16:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. We should be holding BC accountable for Palmar's lynch. BC has been engaging in discussions with sandroba behind the scenes. Because of this, they have formed some sort of agreement. On January 15 2012 06:05 sandroba wrote:
I'll vote BC since we came to a compromise in pms. Gotta roll.
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler I can infer that the choice to lynch Palmar was also a topic of discussion between them. We should scrutinize their relationship so that we can judge for ourselves whether BC or sandroba was the spearhead of this lynch. BloodyC0bbler: be accountable for your lynch. Summarize for us what you and sandroba have been discussing. Why should we have it summarized? Wouldn't posting the logs be better? Since there is discussion of all the Mason's doing it, why not have all the Mason's do it? Why was Mattchew modkilled? Maybe I misunderstood the situation.
He broke the rules and took a screenshot of his inbox and posted in the thread.
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KJ, what do you propose the claimed masons do then? I don't see them being very effective right now, and how does not forming a circle stop mafia from injecting chaos into the thread, or gaining additional information? Instead, they'll just use their masons in a coordinated fashion to target as many different players as they can, while our masons will flounder due to all the confusion and chaos surrounding the role stemming from the day 1 discussion.
There is no difference between my plan, and a normal PM game or game with a mason circle in it, besides that the masons have to pass on communications. Would you not support masons in a circle discussing in another game where they started in a circle, because there might be scum in it? In fact, if there's a scum in the circle, all the better, because the town members should be able to sniff them out and get them lynched.
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Town: I propose to you, that at least one of BC/BM is mafia.
Why do I think this?
There was a lot of chaos during Day 1. It started out with some decent speculation and debate as to who should be elected and why. Although there were a large number of candidates, certain candidates were becoming clear leaders in the race.
After BC's mason plan and claim, the environment of the thread quickly spiralled out of control. From a focussed discussion of who to elect, we observed multiple mason claims, several nonsensical posts and a drop in the useful posts-to-noise ratio.
Either the level of Town play is low (which I don't believe, based on the experience of the player list involved) or the mafia arrived in earnest.
At the end of the day, there was a surge in votes cementing BC as Mayor over BM, who was elected as sheriff. It is WIFOM to discuss which role is more desirable for the current mafia family so I will stop here.
Instead of constantly looking for scumslips in every vote. Step back and think about the day's events.
What did the players ATTEMPT to do?
What did the players ACCOMPLISH?
For Day 2, we ABSOLUTELY need to get back on track. There's going to be a lot of discussion I'm sure due to the night actions but don't lose sight of what we learned in Day 1.
Finally, the degree to which we hold BC and BM accountable should increase!
BC claimed Mason.
BC proposed a mass Mason claim.
BC claimed to Mason sandroba.
BC and sandroba reached 'a compromise'.
BC used his Mayoral right to choose the Day 1 lynch and chose Palmar.
We can no longer check BC's role and/or alignment.
If BC's mass Mason claim was so pro-town, what did it actually accomplish? It wasn't very well thought out. Even if he is Town-aligned, it injected so much chaos into this game, that players are struggling to keep up. Weaker mafia can slip in a few posts here and there and we'll never even notice if they mess up.
BC: tell us what you think your plan accomplished? Why did you suggest a plan that inherently would cause the Town to go in circles?
Also, BM previously supported my idea to reveal the Bodyguards. Do you support this proposal? Will you give up their names after the night is over?
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On January 15 2012 03:23 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 11:39 Mattchew wrote:On January 14 2012 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Mattchew, what form of communication did you use with Foolishness? Would you mind sharing the logs? (Since foolishness thinks they make you look town, or that's what I'm inferring)
@Bum: I got the feeling from Cyber_Cheese that he just wanted to stir shit up all day long. A lot of his posts look to me like they're asking questions or making statements that someone could easily grab on to and start a pointless argument. Not generally conducive to a good town atmosphere. Sorry I missed this post. I pm'd him. Since theres not that much here I'll give you mostly everything.1Original Message From Foolishness: I'm still catching up, but as I've already said in the thread, Bill Murray is someone who we can keep under control2, and if he's mafia it will become apparent rather early (if for no other reason he's an incredibly active player). Yes, well, there's not much point in hiding it from you. You've never played a game with me before, I highly doubt your mafia team (assuming you're mafia of course) would authorize you to mason me day 1. If the mafia wanted to mason me, I'm sure they'd pick one of their more elite members (no offense) or someone who has played with me a lot. Especially since they would be paranoid I'd figure you out. Also remember the mafia get to choose who among them is a mason. You don't want to post that because that gives away that you're a mason. If you don't die that night you will die the next night. What other motivation would you have for saying that right before the day post unless you were in contact with me? Yeah, if you really want me to breadcrumb who you should mason with I can, but it be better for you to just go with your instinct. Easier for me to just give you a suggestion right before night ends anyways. Original Message From Mattchew: Is there any motive behind your endorsement of Bill Murray, I think him BC and Meapack are the 3 I like most (BM being purely based off your endorsement). Also, its pretty prudent that you hide if you are scum from me. I am letting you know that I do not take your word of I'm a townie without a grain of salt. What would you say to me posting "if i die foolishness is mafia" right before the day 2 post. Also, if you are to survive into day 2 would you be willing to breadcrumb with me who I should mason and have mason'd back and forth? Original Message From Foolishness: okay Since there's no point in hiding it from you I'm a townie. What you want to do for this game is Mason with the town players, or anyone who you think is town. Masoning with the mafia isn't going to help you because they can just go afk for a day and you won't be able to get any information out of them. Since there are mafia mason's you probably want to avoid masoning blue roles since they might be paranoid you're mafia. So in the future, just mason with people who are active and making sense in the thread, your standard townies. Too early for me to give you suggestions for the future. I still need to catch up in the thread though. From where I am (like page 25 lol) none of the mayor candidates look promising so far. Original Message From Mattchew:
Sup Brohan,
Its me the Town Mason.
The reason I mason'd you was because I have a strong town read on you, know that you're a vet and an extremely strong town player. Also, I wanted to mason you now as many have mentioned you tend to get killed early on in games.
So I have never played a mason before, mind telling me how you think in a game of 50 I can go about this? I only get a night/day cycle per person so I hope that I can get as much information from you and other vets early on as well on how to play this role. I am also open to suggestions about who the next person I mason is.
hit me back, just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan, this is matt Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I have to run for the evening so I'm making my post now. Original Message From Mattchew: Idk what you should say exactly, but I would try to drive home the fact that I am confirmed town, and regardless of whether or not you are scum or town, you would be saying that... I'll start writing my campaign page thing in like 20 minutes Original Message From Foolishness: Okay I can do that. Is there anything else you want me to mention in my post? Ciryandor is fine. Mapco seems like a good lynch. Chaosquo is also good. Original Message From Mattchew: Ok so I wanna run. I think the best way to start would be you announcing that I am going to run (proving that I have been pm'ing you and then both of us explaining why I am town and why I would be a good mayor. Any ideas on my stance on who to lynch, I was thinking ciryandor maybe. Original Message From Foolishness: Well yes, assuming you want to get into office claiming mason is the way to get there. And don't be worried about me. I prefer not to be in office so pick whoever you think is most pro-town (probably BC) and roll with that. It's basically a question of whether you want to claim or not. If you're going to claim you might as well run for office. Otherwise don't claim. Original Message From Mattchew: I think me claiming mason can help my campaign. It might also be the end of you lol. I think that being role block immune, mason, and confirmed town is a pretty good start for a mayor. I also want to endorse someone to run with me. I would say you but I don't know exactly how that would look. I think that endorsing meapack or BC would be the best options as long as they are actually townies. If I were to win the election I could illicit their opinions afterwords if they were to win as well. Me and a townie vet at the helm of town could be pretty powerful. Original Message From Foolishness:
Also, if you don't want to claim I can claim mason for you. Then I can breadcrumb in one of my posts that you are the real mason so you can contact people in the future.
[quote] On January 14 2012 11:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey mattchew, why are you ignoring me?
And don't call yourself confirmed. Didn't intentionally ignore you my apologies 1 Mostly everything? as in, this wasn't everything? 2 I blame L for noticing this. Why is Foolishness talking about controlling BM? 3 Could you add some time-stamps? 1 I double pm'd him. here are 2 that i sent out 2 I don't want to speak for him, but i think he feels anytime BM is scum he can catch him extremely quickly 3 + Show Spoiler +
LOL
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If he's giving up BG names, he should do right at the deadline, not after. That way if scum subbed in both and shot BM+BC (they're town in this scenario), we'll have the names and can lynch them.
Also, BC should clarify if masons can continue to talk to their target during the night. No one has told us if they can, yet.
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On January 16 2012 10:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
KJ, what do you propose the claimed masons do then? I don't see them being very effective right now, and how does not forming a circle stop mafia from injecting chaos into the thread, or gaining additional information? Instead, they'll just use their masons in a coordinated fashion to target as many different players as they can, while our masons will flounder due to all the confusion and chaos surrounding the role stemming from the day 1 discussion.
There is no difference between my plan, and a normal PM game or game with a mason circle in it, besides that the masons have to pass on communications. Would you not support masons in a circle discussing in another game where they started in a circle, because there might be scum in it? In fact, if there's a scum in the circle, all the better, because the town members should be able to sniff them out and get them lynched.
The Masons should do what Masons always do. Why should their actions and choices be dictated by someone else? Masons: pick a partner, harass them for 3 days straight and report to us if you found someone suspicious. Be smart. Make plans inside of plans and don't give up everything to your partner just because they seem pro-Town.
Masons: feel free to make mistakes.
Finally, who is the player that continues to suggest that Town Masons suck?
Oh, that's right. BC.
Instead of providing advice as a vet, he undermines their confidence in themselves.
"Hey Town Masons. I know you really suck, so instead of using your roles properly, why don't you just tell us who you are? Furthermore, don't even think about hiding yourself just in case you're actually a super-experienced Town Mason. If you claim later, we'll just lynch you!" - a synopsis of BC's Mason plan
Wait a second... I thought BC was supposed to be our Mayor? Why is he making it harder for the Town to protect our power roles and easier for mafia to muddy up the thread?
BC has made some very bad decisions for the Town. I am undecided as to his alignment, but we should all be wary of him and compare what he proposes to what he accomplishes.
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Masons can only talk to someone for 1 cycle when they mason them, and never again. So, they can't harass someone for three days straight, like you want them to. The longest they can try to get information out of someone is one cycle, which is barely long at all. Making a circle lets them talk to the same people for multiple days, though.
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On January 16 2012 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Masons can only talk to someone for 1 cycle when they mason them, and never again. So, they can't harass someone for three days straight, like you want them to. The longest they can try to get information out of someone is one cycle, which is barely long at all. Making a circle lets them talk to the same people for multiple days, though.
Three real days = one game day.
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On January 16 2012 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Masons can only talk to someone for 1 cycle when they mason them, and never again. So, they can't harass someone for three days straight, like you want them to. The longest they can try to get information out of someone is one cycle, which is barely long at all. Making a circle lets them talk to the same people for multiple days, though.
A cycle is a Day and Night. That's 3 days in real time. That's what I meant.
Suppose there 10% of the players are Masons. Making a circle means that you get to talk to the same 5 people over and over.
Further suppose, of the 5 players, only 1 is mafia. There are 9 more out there to find.
In a 50 player game, it would be nice to have the ability to speak privately to more people over the course of the game. More discussion will give more information. More information will lead to better lynches.
Masons should have been left alone to do what they're supposed to do. BC screwed it up big time.
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I'm still awaiting some analysis and opinions from BC our "dear leader" here. As for BM who posted a list, in general I can't say I advocate the "Lynch all veterans" mentality this early in the game without some definitive clues. I'd rather take a shot in the dark than coin-flip on a known experienced player.
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Can we please stop with this mason shit?!
Why don't you all devote your time to something useful, like for instance, answer bugs questions/queries at the top of this page. Go back to page 77 and answer the questions cheese put forward.
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On January 14 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's
Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar?
I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum woke up and I'm at this post. Yeah I liked bum a lot too but I don't really like the people he likes 
So you went from liking him to not liking him because of the people he likes.
On January 16 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:
btw I'm not convinced risk.nuke is mafia at all :p
I'd gladly lynch scumdroba or bum. I think sandroba is more scummy however I am a little afraid that we might end up lynching a townie because BC might be a mafia too. If BC's a mafia I don' think sandroba is mafia.
Conclusion: I want to lynch sandroba. I'd rather not risk lynching BC so early and lynching sandroba is way better information for us while giving pretty decent chance to hit a red mine
Now you want to lynch him?
On January 16 2012 08:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
@ Toadesstern:
Please explain why you find bumatlarge to be scummy.
Also, summarize your thoughts on Protactinium and sandroba while you're at it. I want to know things from you.
as promised (sry took longer because I completly forgot it ) about sandroba:I don't like the fact that BC lynched Palmar at all. Sandroba was the guy who made BC lynch Palmar instead of whoever he wanted to lynch first. I asked BC and Sandroba to show me their pm logs, neither one did it and I don't like the coincidence of bc masoning sandroba although I have to agree that that one point probably is circular reasoning because I think it's something that makes bc scummy Sandroba's budding with Palmar (without a reason) and with BC (without giving an explanation). Also he voted BC. If you now look at what I posted about bum and BC you realize that there's a lot of mentioning each other within this circle of BC-Bum-Sandroba. I've got the feeling sandroba is trying to trick me/ us his picks and his style obviously is not helping at all.My highest priority to lynch right now would be sandroba, followed by bum. I won't support a bc lynch although I think he's leaning scum for me right now because I'm not sure about my judgement of bc yet. I'd say he's got a 30-50% of flipping red instead of true 10 out of 50.
Yes you did say a little about it but all you have now is a feeling. Why did it go from people he trusted to just a feeling?
On January 16 2012 09:36 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 16 2012 09:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2012 08:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't agree that Protact has been giving town direction at all. Notice how absent they have been for the vast majority of the last 24 hours?
well yeah but he I consider him being right with some points about BC. I think the talk about masons was not good for town. We could have discussed something else as well, we had enough stuff (like who's acting scummy) and who we want to lynch. BC kind of produced a mass claim. I still don't know if it's that bad but it certainly was not was he intended, at least not without discussing it but discussing it took way too much time when we needed to get a defined picture of our mayors. So yes, protac posted very little, I am scared of him as well and I'd love him to be in no office at all. Still what he posted gave me town vibes. What are your thoughts about sandroba, bum, bc and protac? I think I answered them good enough from my point of view. [...] Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. [...] The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Yeah I had a town read on bum early on too. The scary thing about protac for me btw (because I did not explain why I called it scary) is that he looks townish to me but I can't realy put it down with words. I'm not trusting myself there at all because I don't even know why I got that townread, it just feels townish because I really liked the big post he did. Sure that' something but that' should not be enough to give me a townread when he's lurking so hardcorde. Why does palmars flip make people like zeks or opz look bad? I'm going to be honest here: They're both a big blank note for me.
Go back to bum. Is he MAFIA or not? Can you explain more besides this "I got this bad feeling because so and so are together". I'd like to believe you but there is uncertainty for now. Is there also a possibility that one of them could be town led astray?
Still reading a day or two worth of text =\
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