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*EDIT* So there isn't actually any abuse.. but being kept in a cage for literally 20 hours a day and only being walked like twice a week to me seems like.. some type of neglect...
I need some advice..
I still live with my family and I have a brother who has his girlfriend living with us. I'm neutral with my brother but now I just live without acknowledging his existence. I think his girlfriend is an airhead and annoying and a bit fake too. She's the type that has those fake laughes to carry on a conversation.
Anyway, the main point is, they have a dog and I think he's a cutie but they are both at work all day (They are late 20s by the way and still living with our mom. They both work to pay off gas, insurance and cell phones. No savings at all... they aren't going anywhere soon unless they win the lottery)
So they keep the dog in a cage basically all day long, locked inside their room too, so it's not like I can go in and open the cage and let him out.
They walk him like once a week and other than that, they expect him to do his 'business' on some newspaper near the kitchen.
And sometimes they forget to clean it up. Like it freakin angers me. That is so unsanitary.
And then I feel bad for the dog. Every other dog owner I know loves their dog. They walk them every day and night, don't leave him leave them in a cage all day long, etc.
I'm thinking of actually like kidnapping this dog and giving him away but I really don't wanna deal with my bro and his air head gf. I actually live a lot happier when I don't have to talk to them in any way.
So any advice..? I really like the dog but I myself have no time to take care of him. Which is why I don't have a dog personally. Because I know it'd be unfair for it since no one would be able to care for it the way it should be cared for.
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call spca or something like that, dont steal it haha that will just fuck u up in the end
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Calgary25953 Posts
Isn't that called "crating"? Lots of people crate their dogs when they're at work and when they sleep. It's not cruel. Lots of people use puppy pads to let their dog go to the washroom indoors. Sounds like your brother is just using the cheaper version, newspaper.
Advice? Talk to them and tell them there are enough people at home that they can leave the dog out of the crate during the day. If there aren't enough people at home, and you don't have time to take care of it, then let it go. It sounds like it's fine.
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On January 13 2012 06:59 jjun212 wrote:
*EDIT* So there isn't actually any abuse.. but being kept in a cage for literally 20 hours a day and only being walked like twice a week to me seems like.. some type of neglect...
I don't know what your definition of abuse is but...that is abuse.
@Chill:
Crating is not cruel, yes. It's completely normal. But this is not crating anymore.
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My guess is that they are keeping him in the cage all day because otherwise he would chew up/destroy all their stuff. That's what happens when you have a dog who doesn't get the proper amount of exercise, they become hyperactive.
Usually when no one else is around, and they get proper exercize, dogs will just sleep all day and there is no reason to keep them locked up.
I would say if the dog does not have access to at least water during the day then yes, this counts as animal abuse. If the dog does have access to water, then it's not abuse but still rather cruel.
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Definitely don't steal it and give it away lol. Why don't you offer to look after it if this is bothering you?
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Sure it isn't the best type of life for a dog but its not abuse
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In Sweden that would be animal abuse, for a good reason.
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I'm not sure it's abuse or even neglect, as long as the dog isn't literally wallowing in its own filth.
But certainly, they are irresponsible and probably shouldn't own a dog. If you talk to them about it approach it this way: They don't spend time with it, they don't take care of it, it costs them money they could be using elsewhere.
edit: approach the mom/head of the house too
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Walking them once a week is horrible, that is abuse within itself. Not to mention keeping them in cage for such prolonged periods.
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On January 13 2012 07:16 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 06:59 jjun212 wrote:
*EDIT* So there isn't actually any abuse.. but being kept in a cage for literally 20 hours a day and only being walked like twice a week to me seems like.. some type of neglect...
I don't know what your definition of abuse is but...that is abuse. @Chill: Crating is not cruel, yes. It's completely normal. But this is not crating anymore.
+1.
Why don't you just ask them to take care of the dog, or discuss this with them? Or are they not the type of people who are open to discussions like that?
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why not ask them to play with the dog while they are gone? i am sure they wouldnt mind.
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Too much people get pets they can't handle. Standards are incredibly low for this day and age...
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I have to agree with Chill. There's no abuse in what they are doing at all. They are terrible at cleaning up after it apparently but just ask them if you can watch/walk it while they are gone. I'm kinda wondering why you haven't already if you like the dog so much...
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On January 13 2012 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
I have to agree with Chill. There's no abuse in what they are doing at all. They are terrible at cleaning up after it apparently but just ask them if you can watch/walk it while they are gone. I'm kinda wondering why you haven't already if you like the dog so much...
20 hours in a cage.
Walking with him once a week, otherwise has to shit in the house. Possibly very bad hygiene... Sorry, but how can you not call this abuse?
For refernce:
The practice of crating does NOT last longer than 3-4 hours each session(and it's still a controversial practice after all!) and you still actually care about the dog.
OP is damn right that they neglect their dog.
Reading this makes me cringe, I hope you don't have a dog or that at least you don't treat him that way.
@OP:
Please promise that you confront them with this shit.
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Crating while you're at work is okay. Crating for almost the entire day every day is just lazy. If you're too lazy and cheap to walk your dog then at least set aside a walled or blocked off area of the kitchen/bathroom. Not sure if they have a backyard, but that'd be even better (unless your dog barks nonstop).
This sounds like the case of "aww can we have a puppy?!" and not quite understanding the long term commitment involved. On the other hand, at least (hopefully) they'll learn their lesson and not do this to a baby.
Speaking of which, leaving a baby in a crib 20+ hours a day = animal cruelty? It's alright as long as you change the diapers right?  + Show Spoiler +
edit: Oh, advice. If you've earnestly tried to warn them and they don't listen to you, you could 'haphazardly' and indirectly tell their friends/parents and have them pressure them. Imo kidnapping the dog would get you unnecessarily flak and they might not learn their lesson and end up adopting another dog into the same thing.
As the poster below said, offer to take care of it. You can offer to potty train it to do its business in a newspapered corner (though that might be difficult, so good luck if you go that way).
edit2: I am not saying this is abuse. I'm just saying that they're lazy. You can decide for yourself if this is abuse, neglect, laziness, etc.
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Okay, my advice: offer to take the dog.
Failing that, call the NSPCA or whatever variant Germany has and tell them about it. As long as you don't care about your brother or his girlfriend, you can sort it out from there.
It comes down to whether you want the dog to be happy or you want your brother to talk to you. From what I read, it seems like the former, and so you should free the dog, as soon as possible, one way or another.
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On January 13 2012 07:52 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
I have to agree with Chill. There's no abuse in what they are doing at all. They are terrible at cleaning up after it apparently but just ask them if you can watch/walk it while they are gone. I'm kinda wondering why you haven't already if you like the dog so much... 20 hours in a cage. Walking with him once a week, otherwise has to shit in the house. Possibly very bad hygiene... Sorry, but how can you not call this abuse?
On January 13 2012 08:14 Not_Computer wrote:Speaking of which, leaving a baby in a crib 20+ hours a day = animal cruelty? It's alright as long as you change the diapers right?
There's nothing wrong with being an indoor animal, cats receive that treatment all the time. That in itself is not abuse.
I hate threads about animals (or discussions about animals in general) because people anthromorphize dogs, pretend they have feelings like people. A lot of times, responses actually claim animals to have the same rights/expectations for care that people receive.
Does the dog get to eat? Is the dog able to avoid being near his own shit? Is the dog ever in pain? Is the dog clean and groomed? These are the things that define abuse. "Being lonely for 20 hours a day" might be neglect, but definitely not abuse.
I'm not saying the owners are awesome dog owners, quite the opposite. But for it to be abuse(as in, enough to have a third party come and take them away) there has to be suffering and actual health risk.
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On January 13 2012 07:52 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 07:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
I have to agree with Chill. There's no abuse in what they are doing at all. They are terrible at cleaning up after it apparently but just ask them if you can watch/walk it while they are gone. I'm kinda wondering why you haven't already if you like the dog so much... 20 hours in a cage. Walking with him once a week, otherwise has to shit in the house. Possibly very bad hygiene... Sorry, but how can you not call this abuse? For refernce: The practice of crating does NOT last longer than 3-4 hours each session(and it's still a controversial practice after all!) and you still actually care about the dog. OP is damn right that they neglect their dog. Reading this makes me cringe, I hope you don't have a dog or that at least you don't treat him that way.
Thank you. <3
@ jjun212
You sound like you've made your mind up already. The dog's situation very obviously bothers you and you think of it as an abuse, wether it technically is one or not. You want to end this, but are caught up between your responsibility for the dog and the fact that you'd have a real family shitstorm breaking loose if you just called spca /anything like it or gave the dog away.
My advice is that you try and talk some sense into your brother and his gf. The way you describe her, I'm sure she loves the dog like crazy and simply doesn't see what she's doing to the animal by locking it up all day, but she'd sure have a fit if it was gone.
Since you are all living with your parents, is there some way that you could come up with some kind of doggy-schedule for the family, like e.g. your brother takes the dog for a walk in the morning, mum/grandma/whoever is home keeps an eye on it during the day and the gf and you alternate on evenings?
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I'd start trying to negotiate. If that doesn't work, move on to threats of calling animal control. This is abuse, regardless of what a few people think..
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