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On January 09 2012 10:48 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 10:46 Jackal58 wrote:On January 09 2012 10:42 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I was sent to purgatory? What in the fuck? Also, no unrevealed flip? So either syllo = angel of death (seems unlikely to me, but possible) or angel of death targeted him or me (seems much more likely, and probably him if I had to bet). Why would he flip?. He's not dead. You didn't flip. What? Why would who flip? I was/am confused that the angel of death didn't kill anyone and think it is most likely that syllo was targeted by the angel of death. My bad. I thought you wanted to know why Syllo didn't flip. I read your post wrong.
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Well, now that we know that Palmar is scum, we should take a look at a post the he made earlier:
On January 09 2012 06:41 Palmar wrote: And when those two flip, kill risk.nuke, tyrran too. Probably bluelightz, and then find the last one. HoD is a possibility, so is Refallen, maybe Grackaroni...
Blazinghand, Cwave, Dirkzor, layabout, RebirthOfLeGenD, Spaackle, Zephirdd and Mr. Wiggles are town.
I'll bet we find Palmar's scumbuddies in the list of the people that he declared as townies.
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On January 09 2012 11:22 Spaackle wrote:Well, now that we know that Palmar is scum, we should take a look at a post the he made earlier: Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 06:41 Palmar wrote: And when those two flip, kill risk.nuke, tyrran too. Probably bluelightz, and then find the last one. HoD is a possibility, so is Refallen, maybe Grackaroni...
Blazinghand, Cwave, Dirkzor, layabout, RebirthOfLeGenD, Spaackle, Zephirdd and Mr. Wiggles are town.
I'll bet we find Palmar's scumbuddies in the list of the people that he declared as townies. With all the suspicion he had on him, do you really think he would be so bold as to put both of his teammates in that list of townies?
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Yeah I wouldn't put too much importance on Palmar's list there spaackle. Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo.
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@HofD Maybe not both of his teammates, but I don't think that he would bus his entire team when he's about to be lynched. I still do think that these people deserve a good look.
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On January 09 2012 11:30 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah I wouldn't put too much importance on Palmar's list there spaackle. Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo.
It makes more sense for Palmar to protect a teammate than to try to block a blue. I think Palmar sent Syllo to purgatory. Is anybody corrupted?
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Corrupt only on even nights jackal
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On January 09 2012 11:37 Refallen wrote: Corrupt only on even nights jackal Oh. Sorry.
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Hey Cwave, where you at? It's been 24+ hours since you posted something. Care to discuss any recent events, or do you have some brilliant plan that's taking all of your time to come up with?
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I think it way more likely that palmar sent HoD to purgatory
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On January 09 2012 12:03 Refallen wrote: I think it way more likely that palmar sent HoD to purgatory Why do you think that?
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I don't think Syllo and Palmar were team mates, simply due to the way Palmar acted towards him. At first, Palmar did his best to buddy up to Syllo, by agreeing with most of his reads, and calling him town repeatedly, and then after Syllo still said he was suspicious of him, Palmar started calling him dumb and bad, similar to what he did to me and Jackal.
@Jackal: Why do you think it's more likely the town channeler would have used his ability on HoD and not Syllo?
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The main difference here is that you think Syllo is Palmar's teammate while I think syllo is town.
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EBWOP That was @Jackal, Wiggles posted at the same time as me
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I agree that it was most likely Palmar that sent me to purgatory, as I can't see any town player choosing to protect me over syllo, and I can't see town trying to use it for the roleblock on me instead of protecting someone. What I am more confused about is why he would do that.
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On January 09 2012 12:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I don't think Syllo and Palmar were team mates, simply due to the way Palmar acted towards him. At first, Palmar did his best to buddy up to Syllo, by agreeing with most of his reads, and calling him town repeatedly, and then after Syllo still said he was suspicious of him, Palmar started calling him dumb and bad, similar to what he did to me and Jackal.
@Jackal: Why do you think it's more likely the town channeler would have used his ability on HoD and not Syllo? That's exactly why I think they are. Palmar is lazy scum. He doesn't like being scum. His actions towards Syllo are in line with his day one behavior as scum. I've played scum with Palmar before. He interacts with his teammates like nobodies business.
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As HoD said, I find it much more likely that the town blue would send syllo to purgatory to protect him instead of HoD
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Jackal, what do you think of syllo switching to Errandor late in day 1? As he said, I find it hard how someone who first pushed risk.nuke would stay on him throughout the day only to vote switch late to errandor if they're scum buddies. Right now, I think it more likely that syllo just brainfarted, but I'll like to hear your take on the day 1 situation.
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Well, I'm glad we all rejected the dumb mass roleclaim strategy. "Hey guys I don't think mafia has enough information" I don't know why anyone would think this.
1) the idea that we're gonna break a setup with mass roleclaim is preposterous 2) the idea that we're going to protect blues by banishing them defeats the purpose of blues.
I think the way vanilla town should play this is the way town should play every game: find scum and lynch them. Blues should use their powers wisely and not roleclaim except in extreme cases. On January 09 2012 12:20 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 12:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I don't think Syllo and Palmar were team mates, simply due to the way Palmar acted towards him. At first, Palmar did his best to buddy up to Syllo, by agreeing with most of his reads, and calling him town repeatedly, and then after Syllo still said he was suspicious of him, Palmar started calling him dumb and bad, similar to what he did to me and Jackal.
@Jackal: Why do you think it's more likely the town channeler would have used his ability on HoD and not Syllo? That's exactly why I think they are. Palmar is lazy scum. He doesn't like being scum. His actions towards Syllo are in line with his day one behavior as scum. I've played scum with Palmar before. He interacts with his teammates like nobodies business.
Whether or not Palmar was lazy, I think we'll get more out of analyzing Syllogism's actions. I'm not comfortable wandering into meta WIFOM territory.
On January 09 2012 12:43 Refallen wrote: Jackal, what do you think of syllo switching to Errandor late in day 1? As he said, I find it hard how someone who first pushed risk.nuke would stay on him throughout the day only to vote switch late to errandor if they're scum buddies. Right now, I think it more likely that syllo just brainfarted, but I'll like to hear your take on the day 1 situation.
yeah man someone making a case on one dude then putting his vote on another dude what's up with that.
On a more serious note here's syllo's filters and my thoughts:
"Dude man Syllo what's the deal?"
This is my question for Syllo.
Here's where he's like "yeah man Erandorr not a good lynch"
On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote: While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum.
^===This is before my "hustlin" post.
On January 07 2012 05:51 syllogism wrote:Wiggles what do you think about Erandorr and Risk nuke and don't you think that in a 6 scum game it would be safer play to lynch one of them or Tyrran as I would estimate that they are at least as likely to flip scum and are going to be considerably more worthless even if we happen to be wrong.
^===this is after my "hustlin" post.
On January 07 2012 08:33 syllogism wrote: We should lynch erandorr/risk/tyrran today, regardless of how scummy you think palmar is being. The fact people don't seem to be willing to hop on those wagons despite me repeatedly giving them an opportunity to do so is suspicious. If palmar is scum, he has two scum mates who should be looking for alternative wagons by now. It's of course quite possible that his team mates are on that list but regardless lynching one of those 3 is better day 1 play.
He seems to be relatively settled on these three musketeers. At this point he's pulling out big guns and calling people suspicious.
On January 07 2012 19:26 syllogism wrote: Wiggles: I think palmar is likely scum. It's pretty much impossible to assign probabilities to flips so I'm not even going to bother, but I guess I could say that I don't think they are particularly more likely to flip scum than palmar. The issue is where we are if they don't flip scum; losing palmar day 1 would definitely be much worse. We can probably lynch him tomorrow if he keeps playing like this.
See this is where you lose me syllogism. Yes palmar flipped scum but like if you think he's scum you should lynch him ._.
On January 07 2012 20:14 syllogism wrote: Do you think we should lynch him over erandorr if the answer doesn't make sense? "him" is jackal (talking to palm)
On January 07 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote: Haha jackal we can only lynch one person and there are 3 or maybe 4 people who are extremely likely to all flip scum (erandorr, risk, palmar and possibly tyrran) his revised scumlist now includes Palmar.
On January 08 2012 07:02 syllogism wrote: Day ends in 3 hours, but within an hour or two is fine. I'm fine with lynching either erandorr/risk here it narrows to the two wagons.
On January 08 2012 08:32 syllogism wrote: How many do we have around? I'm fine with switching to erandorr, I'm virtually certain that erandorr is scum and only very convinced that risk is
On January 08 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote: I haven't been pushing the meta case against Erandorr, but he really wouldn't play like this as town. He even signed up for TL mafia L so he isn't burned out or busy; he just loathes playing as scum. In election mafia he hydraed with curu and refused to post at all due to rolling scum. Yesterday he lied about being sleepy, while I know he had been and still was playing dota 2 and kept playing for at least an hour after making the post (I went to sleep by that point). Such pure meta cases are annoying to push and I thought the case against risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town
So here we have what I view as the crux of the issue. Syllo here is talking out of two different sides of his mouth. One side says that he's virtually certain erandorr is scum, and only very convinced risk is. It says he hasn't pushed a meta case against Erandorr, then pushes a meta case. In the same post, he says pushing a case like tha tis annoying and he thought ... the case against risk was better of what does this what i don't even
On January 08 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote: risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town
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On January 08 2012 08:58 syllogism wrote: No I still think risk is scum, but I'm pretty much certain that erandorr is.
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So I'm not voting syllo yet. I don't really understand what he's talking about in these posts but it looks like scum trying to cover his ass. I'm sure he has a realistic situation, right syllo?
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