Purgatory Mafia - Page 33

On January 08 2012 04:13 layabout wrote:
My chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear and surprise..
My two weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency..
My three weapons are fear and surprise and rutherless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope!
Four, no Amongst my Weapons.. Amongst my weaponry are elements such as fear and -
I will post again..

Happy birthday Erandorr! care to spent some of it here?

On January 08 2012 04:15 risk.nuke wrote:
@Palmar you wanted to know about my ridiculous idea. Well prepare yourself for ridiculousness. At the time I was having a blast sitting up there anonymous reading every word people were saying. It was a great discussion to. Due to my habit of vetoing the first bandwagon on principle with few exeptions I wasn't going to lynch bluelightz, Refallan I was actually slightly suspicious of. Anyway the discussion had pretty much slowed down so I wrote a few thoughts that wouldn't get either of them lynched but rather to just fuel the discussion. I was also having an eye on blazinghand back then (yeah don't worry I've dropped him, butI though he was fishy at the time) I hate day 1 and I just wanted to get as much information as I could hoping I might find a good case against odds.

On January 07 2012 03:03 layabout wrote:
Erandorr:
+ Show Spoiler +
I am completely fine with an Erandorr lynch.

@Syllogism, why do you no longer think we should lynch Grackaroni?

On January 08 2012 04:58 syllogism wrote:
Cwave: So who would you rather lynch out of erandorr/risk? There is very little reason to believe that you aren't scum as well; are you going to be too busy for the remainder of the game or do you actually intend to start scum hunting and posting content at some point? Your post count and content is barely above RoL's.

On January 08 2012 04:34 Palmar wrote:
yeah, but I don't actually care what you have to say anymore. You're either being incredibly thick, or scum. But it's actually unimportant right now since I can't get you lynched, and I'll probably flip before you this game.

On January 08 2012 04:41 Palmar wrote:
and since we mostly agree on scumreads, it's not stopping progress at the moment.

On January 08 2012 01:43 layabout wrote:
Yesterday i waited to see more from risk.nuke and i was sadly disappointed.

risk.nuke:

Having filtered risk.nukes past games I feel that there are
A few general traits that he displays as town:
-He often posts very little day 1 (<1 page)
-He is very aggressive and pushes people on mistakes
-He quotes people a lot and makes accusations
-He is confident and assertive in offering his own opinion
-He is a bit rude

This game he:
-Has posted very little (<1 page)
-Has been aggressive against syllogism, who voted for him
-Has made a few accusations (but not followed them up)
-Has been confident but avoided offering a unique opinion
-Has been a bit rude
Furthermore he has:
-Promised content
-Made excuses
Don't mind if I do this to meta arguments.
Posts:
This post is extremely out of place, i have not found a single post similar to this one from a day1 town risk.nuke:


At this point in the game there are still a number of barely-posters and discussion has not really been serious. In his next post risk.nuke even states
Given that this is the case this post is a very safe post to make, he doesn't need to come to any hard conclusions but it does make him appear to be contributing to the discussion topics at the time. This post is easy to make from either perspective but it is more useful for scum who doesn't wish to contribute but would like to appear to.

Given his comments about refallen it seem reasonable for risk.nuke to pressure or make a case against him, but it seems like risk just completely forgets later on.
If I were a scum why would I not pressure him if as you say I had good reason to, exept if you think I'm refallens scumbuddy

HoD already pointed out that these are typically townie traits, so i am left to infer that the "complicated" setup is what in your view makes it un-town-like? It seems to me that you are trying to mislead people.
@risk.nuke please explain why exactly you felt that those traits do not stike you as townlike?
because here you responded to HoD but it is almost entirely meaningless crap

You talk about the number of people accusing you if you are town, you say that if you are town and in your situation then you should react the way that you did, by getting annoyed. You back it up by saying that you got annoyed before when you were town. You then say that when a number of people pressure you because you have made a mistake then you need to defend youself, but that if you have messed up that town should lynch you and it would be your fault. You say that if you had messed up and were under pressure you were be nervous.
None of that answer the actually question.
It simply serves to try to paint you as town-like, and if it relates to BL at all then it is to imply that he messed up that town should kill him and lays ground for a potential mislynch. All of those purposes seem scummy to me.
I'm not sure what you're meaning here, we're talking about beeing nervous and beeing carefree and I think I answered that. I think your mind is living in a world where mislynches doesn't exist.

He speaks out against syllogism trying to meta him, i think syllo already explained why this is scummy here (clicky).



Here he attacks syllogism for calling him out on his actions. As town risk.nuke typically calls people out for actions he disapproves of yet in this game when syllogism does it "There is nothing pro town about calling him out?" Perhaps risk.nuke believes his usual town play is anti-town?

He says that he had an agenda to "see who would comment on his last post what they would say and who would push to lynch those players", this really doesn't seem like a big plan that syllogism had ruined and having a secret agenda that you expect players players like syllogism to pick up on but not comment on so as to allow you to carry out that agenda seems highly anti-town. Town players shouldn't have anything to hide (except a blue roles) and this "ruined agenda" seems very un-town-like Why isn't risk.nuke being his more open self?
Some people are good at finding scum day1, I'm not so I let them do their thing while I don't them in trying to do something I would probably fail with. Isntead I try to find somehting my own way, and setting a trap isn't scummy. Lying is scummy. Not saying what you were doing afterwards is scummy.


Next he opposes a palmar lynch without adressing the reasons for a palmar lynch.
To some people this is a fair argument and to others it is very poor ground for not lynching a player.

He does however make a good point about Jackal fearmogering,- the type of point i would expect risk.nuke to make.
I don't see the point of lynching palmar in a multiteam setup. Worst case he is town and we just lyched palmar. Best case he is scum and he can't help us find the other scumteam, That's why I got really suspicious of all the vets wanting him out asap, wiggles sort of dodged me because I really liked his initial big post.
He then re-surmises what he has said about refallen, says then refallen is still acting the same way that makes him scummy. From here-on in he does not mention accuse refallen of anything.


excuse Also the truth, I was watching us winning the junior world championship, and It's 5 am, ofcourse Im tired


promises content. Last part is non-committal which might allow for him to provide little.


legitimate excuse for activity, but because he is here hopefully he can deliver that mind blowing content, right?


He Provides little! (the scummy option)
He calls Erandorr scum but does not provide enough to support a vote or lynch.
He presents the beginnings of a case against Jackal, he may have some points that he could further push.
But Jackal is one of the 7/18 player so far to not receive a vote. When there are a number of candidates already being discussed why would you present 1 paragraph about a player being scummy and pick a player that, at the time was in absolutely no danger of being lynched? Perhaps he wants to spilt the vote or try to get a no-lynch.
When serious discussion about who to lynch had began risk pipes in to sheep a case and maybe start a case. He does not follow either case up and he does not vote. This does not make sense if he truly feels like Jackal is the best lynch and he is town, or if he feels that jumping on Erandorr will kill scum.There is no reason not to state what you think, If I were to come in two days and say, well I thought jackal was scummy two days ago people would either not belive me or legitimitly ask me why the hell I didn't say something


Asks a question, not a contribution. Blazinghand was acting high on coffe shouting all over the place how erandorr is hustling us, I didn't much get him.


His response to votes is a one line joking comment that scum are voting for him.
Earlier he had stated how he as town would respond by getting annoyed or by defending himself. risk.nuke not doing what he said he would do ask town ===> risk.nuke is scum?
I'm wasn't joking, judging from how I looked it was pretty obvious (or atleast a good chance) scum would slowly push for my lynch to protect their own.

risk.nuke currently the only thing that might make me think you aren't scum is when you make your case because:
You also admit that what you wrote about refallen and bluelightz had very little value in it. And that was most of the substance in your posts so far...

Conclusion:
risk.nuke's play does not math the town risk.nuke you may have come to know and love. He was willing to offer thoughts at the start when doing so was not useful and when it was easy for scum to do so. He has made excuses and promised content. He has yet to deliver that content. He has not been aggressive in calling people out as he has previuosly and has criticised syllogism for calling him out. He avoided has provided a very fluffy answer to HoD's question. He has contradicted his own declarations of good town play. He has avoided making any serious contributions now that we actuaaly have to decide who we are lynching. He has not made an effort to defend himself, but has called everybody voting for him scum.
Your conclusion is bogus. I haven't called everyone who votes for me scum wtf? People doesn't love my townplay. If you think I've contradicted myself you need to go back and reread that or repost it to me so I can correct you. I haven't given any serious contributions because I'm not good day 1 and I know it. And if you want to see one of my case you'll unfortunatly have to wait untill someone says something I can use because I can't magicly spawn cases.
Vote risk.nuke
filters in past games:
Election mafia (town)
Tl Mafia XLVII (town)
Steamship (Tl mafia 46) (town)
Newbie mini mafia (town)+ nice hotbid post
TL Mafia XLV (town) almost no posts day1