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Palmar
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Palmar
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syllogism
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Bluelightz
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First, before this I am still supicious of RoL, i am also suspicious of Grackaroni. First, his post's On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote: The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now. The biggest question for me right now is this: Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe? Filler. On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote: Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow. Says, he will contribute On January 07 2012 00:45 Erandorr wrote: What would be Wiggles motivation as Scum to go after Palmar with a case like that in a two family setup? Ask's a question to Palmar, nothing shining his alignment here On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote: I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP) Err, nothing shining alignment. On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote: Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? Ask's a question. On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote: Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me? If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward. Ya, mistake on my side, sorry. Ask's a question to Dirkzor and admits a mistake, here he like in BH's cases "Hustleing" On January 07 2012 02:58 Erandorr wrote: Shut up WBGs Smurf, I am trying to get into this. Filler -,- Okay, so he say's he will contribute but from his filter Evidently NOT So, this is the reason's I will be voting Erandorr | ||
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Tyrran
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On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Tyrran: He started out the game with very general advice. This seems weird, but it might be due to the mini games, in which I've seen new players do that to each other. Still something to note though, as scum like to use it to look like they're contributing. Compared to steamship that you linked, he is much more careful and timid in this game. In steamship, just reading through his early posts, he didn't seem scared to call people out and ask direct questions. In that game, he was vanilla, however, so there could be something to do with the set-up contributing to his timidness (less likely because he talks about the set-up in this game), or he's some kind of power role. Verdict: Scummy. Not as direct as his last game, and timid. However, I'm willing to give him slightly more time to see if he starts to contribute. Might be a good vig shot night 2. Does anyone have a game in which Tyrran rolled scum that I can read? @Tyrran, what do you think of the accusations against you? Who do you want to lynch? People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff. As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...). Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote: As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Amazing, amazing. Tyrran you will have to try really hard tomorrow to dig yourself out of the hole you are currently in. I suppose scum might choose their words more carefully. | ||
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Dirkzor
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Palmar
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Bluelightz
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SCUM SCUM SCUM | ||
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Jackal58
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On January 07 2012 19:56 Palmar wrote: in addition, out of all the people in the thread, I'm the one who had him as scum day 1 two games, so even if he was to create a phony case, he would probably pick another target. (Jackal's comment of being on the receiving end of me using meta arguments is likely him misremembering me building a pure meta case on him in XLV, however, I was scum that game, so it's an invalid example). That was the game. On January 07 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote: I have no idea why I put the comment about jackal in brackets. also, I think jackal is scum. You always think I'm scum. So that's an invalid opinion. I just woke up. I'm gonna get some coffee and then try to figure out why lots of people think it's likely you are scum but they won't lynch you. | ||
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Bluelightz
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Refallen
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Bluelightz
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Reason why, On January 04 2012 19:45 Tyrran wrote: /in And the game is on. I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia : * DO NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted. * BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case. * DEFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched. Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game. Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today. Here, Tyrran talks what a townie should do On January 04 2012 23:27 Tyrran wrote: Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability. Zona, can you confirm that the role and alignement of a player killed using the slay ability, by the Angel acolyte and/or the Angelic observer are revealed? Not knowing the alignement/role of a killed player is devastating for town. Is the demon hunter still alive? Is the seer? is the sage? how many demons remains ? Setting up a stratey with limited information on the blue roles still alive will be pretty hard. The Demons can also conceal a lynch, but they can only do it once a game, so it have a smaller impact. Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth. Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage. Strategy. On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote: I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now. Filler On January 06 2012 03:53 Tyrran wrote: I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia. Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game. Now back to scum hunt. Reffalen I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel. So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ? His case against refallen On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote: I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Talking about meta On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote: If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with. Responding to HoD's case On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote: People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff. As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...). Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor Now, here is where I think he's scum, "As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid." ^wat? First, Erandorr is leading at votes but now Tyrran just following rhough with it just listing simple reason's I feel like he is scum when you read his steamship filter, he made cases etc etc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176 so, I'm unvoting Erandorr and voting Tyrran | ||
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Spaackle
United States153 Posts
I've got work today, and I'm posting in the short time before I leave, but in a few hours I will read over the thread again and post my thought on issues that come up. I'll try to be as active as I can, but I may have some IRL commitments that will keep me from my computer sometimes. Also, Thanks to Zona for letting me sub in :D | ||
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Jackal58
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On January 07 2012 22:54 Refallen wrote: Jackal, I take it you still want to lynch Palmar then? Yes. Do you? What I'm seeing are people beginning to spread their votes out all over the place. Scum would love a no lynch. Whether it's one family or two doesn't matter. Both groups will try to get a no lynch. In that area they are united. Somebody said something about scum hammering the vote on a townie. Ya they would if the opportunity presented itself but they won't try to get it in that position. They don't care. It's easier for them to hide behind a no lynch than it is to hammer a townie. I'm thinking right now Syllo is on Palmars team. Syllo doesn't call people scummy and then not vote for them. He's posting shit that he can fall back on and say "But I called him scummy" and then gives vague bullshit reasons to not vote for him. Vote for Palmar guys. He's scum. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 07 2012 23:10 Spaackle wrote: Hi everyone. I've got work today, and I'm posting in the short time before I leave, but in a few hours I will read over the thread again and post my thought on issues that come up. I'll try to be as active as I can, but I may have some IRL commitments that will keep me from my computer sometimes. Also, Thanks to Zona for letting me sub in :D Day ends today so don't miss out on all the fun. In other words try to get your vote in. On Palmar preferably. | ||
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syllogism
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Jackal58
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On January 07 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote: Haha jackal we can only lynch one person and there are 3 or maybe 4 people who are extremely likely to all flip scum (erandorr, risk, palmar and possibly tyrran) And of those who is going to become harder to hang after we start dying? | ||
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