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Blazinghand
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This is what I'm on about: My initial case for Errandor, made 7 hours ago.
Man don't you read my shit
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2012 02:45 Blazinghand wrote:On January 07 2012 02:25 Zephirdd wrote:
That's a misunderstanding from your part. I stated a few times earlier that I thought Palmar's (counter)case was better.
That one post you quoted with poor logic is a response to Refallen's question "Would scum stick out their neck?" and I just pointed out that it's perfectly reasonable. Right, and i'm adding that in addition to that, it doesn't even matter, just figure out if the case is good or not and lynch the scum. Addendum: is it concievable that this is a townie on townie situation? Or do we think one of these guys are scum? I guess the question i'm asking is "what are the odds that Mr Wiggles is unintentionally wrong"? Erandorr: Every day he's hustlin hustlin hustlin hustlin hustlin hustlinGuys Erandorr is hustling us. How do you know he's hustling us? Well let us look at his filter. Step 1) He is inactive. OK whatever. Inactivity happens. I accept that. But it's not just the inactivity. It's the hustlin. Day 1 begins January 04 2012 15:00 KST. Erandorr's posts between then and becoming active: + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.
The biggest question for me right now is this:
Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?
On January 05 2012 09:54 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.
The biggest question for me right now is this:
Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?
Yes clearly i'm WBG's smurf with thousands of posts This post is sarcastic. I am not his smurf. In case that's not clear. And the long lost brother part? On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote:
Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow. So, he shows up about 18 hours in and asks me some questions. Then, about a day later he stops by makes an obligatory filler post to not get warned. At this point it's unclear whether or not Erandorr is, in fact, hustling us. He's done a good work of keeping up the hustle, you see. Maybe he's just been busy and wanted his only posts to be unhelpful insinuations about my love affair with the possibility of me being a smurf of WBG. Or maybe he's a hustler. ??? And then he becomes active. On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum. I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP) So, Syllo here is like "hey guys let's go after E-dawg" And you know what E-dawg says? "Oh I just missed the starT" No you didn't miss the start ._. you were here and asking me if I was WBG, then dippped up out of here for a day, then came back and said "brb" and dipped up out of here for another 18 hours. Or rather, you did miss the start, but not in the "oops I missed the target" kind of miss, more like the "oh shit here comes that guy who owes me money i'm gonna dive behind this trash can" kind of miss. Don't be behind the trash can, E-dawg. On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.
Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?
They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable. However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur. Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments. Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? This would be an entirely acceptable post for a user with a history of putting on the pressure, and in fact, in context, may indicate some mad nerd balling. Is Erandor, in fact, a mad nerd baller? Let us see, oh wait, Zephirdd is obvious pro-Palmar. To be fair, it seems like Erandorr just missed it. That happens. On the other hand it means he gets no bonus points for a post like this. On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:56 Dirkzor wrote:On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.
I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum. While I agree that palmar/Wiggles aren't our best lynch option, why would you rather hang Palmar? Meta? Because i feel that Wiggles case is bad. Whether it is intentionally to push an agenda or just bad i don't know. About your other targets I find risk the most scummiest. Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me? If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward. Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:59 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.
Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?
They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable. However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur. Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments. Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why? Check the voting post and decide for yourself who I would rather like to lynch. Hint: it's obvious As for "why", I think I stated a couple times already. Ya, mistake on my side, sorry. So, I can see a couple possibilities here. 1) Erandorr's various odd posts have good context and he is a regular bro. 2) Erandorr is a scummy motherfucker and he is hustling us. Hard. This last post? It's more questions no analysis. Not inherently a problem-- I make posts which ask questions and don't analyze somehow. But those aren't the only posts I make. Let's take a look by contextualizing this with Erandorr's analysis posts. Oh no wait Erandorr hasn't done any analysis. He hasn't gone after anyone. He hasn't voted here in the thread. He is hustling us. E-dawg why are you hustling
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Blazinghand
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Wait if you guys haven't read my case on E-dawg why are you bagging on him??
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Errandor continually comes into the thread and makes a post promising content to avoid modkill and disappears, the same goes for RoL as well but the only difference is that Errandor has a meta for lurking as scum.
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Blazinghand
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On January 07 2012 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Errandor continually comes into the thread and makes a post promising content to avoid modkill and disappears, the same goes for RoL as well but the only difference is that Errandor has a meta for lurking as scum.
I'm glad someone here can see reason. In other words, E-dawg is hustling us. He is keeping up the hustle. Check out my post above, or 7 hours ago, for more details.
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Blazinghand
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On January 07 2012 09:16 Blazinghand wrote:
No you didn't miss the start ._. you were here and asking me if I was WBG, then dippped up out of here for a day, then came back and said "brb" and dipped up out of here for another 18 hours. Or rather, you did miss the start, but not in the "oops I missed the target" kind of miss, more like the "oh shit here comes that guy who owes me money i'm gonna dive behind this trash can" kind of miss. Don't be behind the trash can, E-dawg.
EBWOP: Erandorr owes the other guy money, rather than the other guy owing Erandorr money in this hypothetical. If Erandorr were the creditor obviously he wouldn't be hiding behind a dumpster.
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Blazinghand
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Everyone thinks E-dawg is scum but I don't see no votes. Look, gentlemen, if you are indeed confident of your reads (as many of you seem to be) and confident of your cases (as many of you seem to be), why not vote Erandorr? He's totally scum. I get it you dont' want to hammer or whatever but do you really want someone who's not Erandorr to be leading in votes?
Hell Syllo what's the deal with your vote? It.s.. SYLLY
OK seriously though are we just not voting or whats the deal here
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Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote:
Vote count for the Day 1 Lynch.
With 18 alive, 10 votes are required to lynch.
Current votes:
Erandorr (3): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand, Palmar, Blazinghand, Grackaroni
Palmar (3): Mr. Wiggles, Jackal58, Refallen, Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
Grackaroni (1): layabout
Mr. Wiggles (1): Zephirdd, Palmar, -Palmar
RebirthOfLeGenD (1): Blazinghand, Bluelightz, -Blazinghand
risk.nuke (1): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand, syllogism
Tyrran (1): HarbingerOfDoom
Bluelightz (0): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand, Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
Dirkzor (0): Blazinghand, -Blazinghand
HarbingerOfDoom (0): Grackaroni, -Grackaroni
The Day 1 deadline is at January 08 2012 10:00. (That's approximately 1 day, 0:20:25 from now.)
On January 06 2012 21:47 Refallen wrote:
What I want to ask wiggles and jackal is this; obviously, the argument that he was acting unusually (in the sense that he was acting different because of low activity posting and lack of aggressiveness) no longer holds. And palmar has offered a spirited defence of himself, something i noticed he did as town too in tlxlvii. With that in mind, would you still vote for him, and why?
Because right now, I am much more comfortable in lynching risk.nuke than Palmar.
On January 07 2012 01:55 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:
They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable.
However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur.
Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments.
Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families). Would someone really end up asking this? And I thought I found something DEEP and USEFUL too =( Then Zeph, would you prefer a lynch of risk.nuke to Palmar//Wiggles right now?
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON SILENT SCUM VOTE JUMP WAGON HAMMER
##VOTE REFALLEN
I CAUGHT YOU
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What are you talking about I voted him waaaaaaaaay long ago.
On January 06 2012 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:
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Are you scum too? There should be zero confusion about which of those 2 you would want to lynch if you believe them both to be scum. No offense risk.nuke but you're not scary. Scum Palmar is scary.
Yes, but there is a difference in which one I want to lynch FIRST. I don't see where that scum accusation came from, I really don't.
With that said though, you're probably right that we should lynch the better scum player first, which is Palmar (I'm assuming).
After this post actually.
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And yes, right now I do want to lynch risk.nuke rather than Palmar. I'm seeing no harm in leaving my vote on him for now though, since Palmar only has four, hardly close to being scum hammered. (And because I'm lazy to PM ZBot on my IPhone last night lolol)
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Wiggles seems confident in his vote and I sincerely believe that he thinks Palmar is scum.
In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad.
On January 07 2012 06:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:51 syllogism wrote:Wiggles what do you think about Erandorr and Risk nuke and don't you think that in a 6 scum game it would be safer play to lynch one of them or Tyrran as I would estimate that they are at least as likely to flip scum and are going to be considerably more worthless even if we happen to be wrong. I'm going out to eat in about 5 minutes. When I get back, I'll read through all their filters and give you my thoughts. The thing about lynching Palmar though, is that not many people here are going to be willing to lynch him later in the game. A lot of these newer players seem very reticent to lynch him, and I'm not sure why. They're coming up with excuses for his bad play, and trying to come up with flimsy excuses to not lynch Palmar. If I die, you die, or Jackal dies, not many people here would be willing to actually push a lynch on Palmar. They'll probably just sheep him to the victory of whatever scum faction he belongs to. Anyways, I'll be back later.
This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me.
But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him.
On January 06 2012 22:35 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.
I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Almost all of my day 1 posts attack Palmar. It's a habit. Not necessarily a bad one either.
Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today.
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Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future.
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Okey, things wrong with the last few hours.
-> Palmar dropped off his case on MrWiggles after a second attack from him. This is wrong. This is simply wrong. It's normal for him to appeal to emotions on the "you'll feel terrible when I'm lynched and it flips town", but it's still wrong that he dropped his case on MrWiggles for Erandorr, ESPECIALLY because he knows MrW's a good player. This isn't Palmar-esque.
-> On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor
This is wrong too. You don't lynch a player because of "scum flipping chance" or "chance of losing one of town's greatest assets". If Palmar is scum, he must be lynched. Granted, Erandorr case is actually okay on my eyes. I just don't like the comparison.
-> On January 07 2012 10:00 Refallen wrote:
And yes, right now I do want to lynch risk.nuke rather than Palmar. I'm seeing no harm in leaving my vote on him for now though, since Palmar only has four, hardly close to being scum hammered. (And because I'm lazy to PM ZBot on my IPhone last night lolol)
Four town votes is exactly the number necessary for scum hammering. They have 20+ hours to do so.
Unless you know that there are scum on Palmar's votes, you shouldn't leave it there unless you want him lynched IMO.
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On January 07 2012 10:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future.
My bad. I've only played 2 games so far which involved a voting thread so it didn't hit me to announce my votes before voting.
Four town votes is exactly the number necessary for scum hammering. They have 20+ hours to do so.
Unless you know that there are scum on Palmar's votes, you shouldn't leave it there unless you want him lynched IMO.
Mmm, you're probably right, but I think the fact that there are two scum teams would have made it harder for that to happen.
And yes, right now I don't mind lynching Palmar, but I do rather lynch risknuke.
With that said
##UNVOTE PALMAR
##VOTE RISK.NUKE
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On January 07 2012 10:05 Zephirdd wrote:-> Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor This is wrong too. You don't lynch a player because of "scum flipping chance" or "chance of losing one of town's greatest assets". If Palmar is scum, he must be lynched. Granted, Erandorr case is actually okay on my eyes. I just don't like the comparison.
Why wouldn't I? If I think a player is more likely to flip to be scum than the player leading the votes I am going to help sway people in the right direction. I don't think Palmar is scum, yes he has acted not very aggressively which goes against his town meta but I don't believe he is scum hence the less likely to flip scum than Erandorr.
As for the asset thing, the game I played with him he correctly identified the entire scum team on day1, in a game where he seemed uninterested in posting and lurked at the start. maybe his play was different for pretending to be a smurf? Palmar getting lynched day1 off of a case I don't agree with would be worse for town than a player such as you or I getting lynched.
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Blazinghand
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On January 06 2012 21:47 Refallen wrote:
What I want to ask wiggles and jackal is this; obviously, the argument that he was acting unusually (in the sense that he was acting different because of low activity posting and lack of aggressiveness) no longer holds. And palmar has offered a spirited defence of himself, something i noticed he did as town too in tlxlvii. With that in mind, would you still vote for him, and why?
Because right now, I am much more comfortable in lynching risk.nuke than Palmar.
This with your vote on Palmar for SEVERAL DAYS?
ಠ_ಠ
How is anyone buying this guys BS
"oh hey guys yeah i'm just gonna park my vote here on Palmar while pushing risk.nuke."
Look, that's just crappy play. If you think risk.nuke is scum, but aren't sure, I get why you'd not want to vote him quite yet. But if you are assured he is scummier than Palmar? And you're pressuring people to vote him instead of Palmar?
Why would you leave your vote on Palmar? It makes no sense.
No sir that will not buy me off. Not at all.
On January 07 2012 10:00 Refallen wrote:
And yes, right now I do want to lynch risk.nuke rather than Palmar. I'm seeing no harm in leaving my vote on him for now though, since Palmar only has four, hardly close to being scum hammered. (And because I'm lazy to PM ZBot on my IPhone last night lolol)
Look even after I call him out he tries to leave his vote on Palmar. What do you think is going on here gentlemen? WHAT DO YOU THINK.
You see no harm in leaving your vote on him now, and you're too lazy... to PM Zbot... on your iphone... LAST NIGHT? It's not last night right now, it's right NOW right now.
On January 07 2012 10:11 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 10:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future. My bad. I've only played 2 games so far which involved a voting thread so it didn't hit me to announce my votes before voting. Show nested quote +Four town votes is exactly the number necessary for scum hammering. They have 20+ hours to do so.
Unless you know that there are scum on Palmar's votes, you shouldn't leave it there unless you want him lynched IMO. Mmm, you're probably right, but I think the fact that there are two scum teams would have made it harder for that to happen. And yes, right now I don't mind lynching Palmar, but I do rather lynch risknuke. With that said
##UNVOTE PALMAR
##VOTE RISK.NUKE
Oh hey you know how many games before I've played which involved a voting thread? You know what I'm not even gonna get involved in this. This isn't even a game with a voting thread. Everything's done via PMs. In a game with a voting thread, if you forget to say you voted in the main thread everyone knows anyways when and who you voted. In a game like this? that is not the case. We've explicitly said you should announce votes in here and you have blatantly disregarded this, despite the fact that other people were announcing their votes.
You know what Refallen everything you do here just makes you look scummier and I don't know why everyone else is blind to the truth. Why would you not announce your vote? Why, after admitting you think Palmar is not as scummy as Risk, do you NOT change the vote? Why would you need to be strongarmed into voting for him?
You think you have pulled the wool over everyone's eyes with your placations. But you are wrong.
See, what Refallen doesn't know is that we are not objects whereby mechanical advantage, pressure, or cutting actions are applied. We are not those basic items that seperates humanity from apes. We do not need to be sharpened. I am telling you, Refallen-- we are not tools.
I for one do not fall for your soothsaying. Why so slow to vote risknuke? WHY
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