EPTI'll take a shower. While i do that, do you mind telling me why i smell?
@Jackal
We're not lynching palmar today. Get over it. We all notice that you think he is scum but what else have you done beside saying he is scum?
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
I'll take a shower. While i do that, do you mind telling me why i smell? @Jackal We're not lynching palmar today. Get over it. We all notice that you think he is scum but what else have you done beside saying he is scum? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:26 risk.nuke wrote: Palmar what question are you waiting for me to answer? On January 08 2012 04:25 Palmar wrote: But do you honestly think passively talking about what's happening is the most helpful way of moving a discussion forward? Compare that to for example what I did with bluelightz where I ask direct questions that force him to commit. In addition, tell me why you hate day 1 of mafia games. Is this a view you have expressed before? To me it doesn't make sense, do you actually think you had a plan, that was worth being mad at syllo about for ruining? To me, it looks like your plan was simply this: so I wrote a few thoughts that wouldn't get either of them lynched but rather to just fuel the discussion. Which isn't much of a plan to me. At least no worth this On January 06 2012 04:56 risk.nuke wrote: Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. Do you think people should not be called out when they don't post or post overly passive? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:30 risk.nuke wrote: Palmar what do you think of Dirkzor? Very likely town | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:28 Dirkzor wrote: @Cwave I'll take a shower. While i do that, do you mind telling me why i smell? @Jackal We're not lynching palmar today. Get over it. We all notice that you think he is scum but what else have you done beside saying he is scum? Why not? He your scum buddy too? And I'll ask the same of you. Reading your filter is a lot like reading nothing. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: I don't have all night risk.nuke Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable? What plan do you mean? On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote: I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing. Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1. Not too bad of a plan since you do tend to create good ripples in the water. And with ripples comes information. Or this one? On January 08 2012 04:15 risk.nuke wrote: @Palmar you wanted to know about my ridiculous idea. Well prepare yourself for ridiculousness. At the time I was having a blast sitting up there anonymous reading every word people were saying. It was a great discussion to. Due to my habit of vetoing the first bandwagon on principle with few exeptions I wasn't going to lynch bluelightz, Refallan I was actually slightly suspicious of. Anyway the discussion had pretty much slowed down so I wrote a few thoughts that wouldn't get either of them lynched but rather to just fuel the discussion. I was also having an eye on blazinghand back then (yeah don't worry I've dropped him, butI though he was fishy at the time) I hate day 1 and I just wanted to get as much information as I could hoping I might find a good case against odds. I don't agree with a veto by default..... If the first lynch is a good one and flips a scum, his strategy would prevent that. Excluding things beforehand is never a good idea. Fueling discussion is good thing imo as long as its a bit constructive but he seems to have overstept the informationpokingtreshold and it has landed him some votes in the face. If someone leads people in a discussion in a bully kind of way to force a thought more the force the discussion then that's a red flag. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Dirkzor
Denmark1944 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:51 Jackal58 wrote: Why not? He your scum buddy too? And I'll ask the same of you. Reading your filter is a lot like reading nothing. I dont know what palmar is. But him saying i'm town is not buying him any credit. All I say is we can't lynch him today - at least i think a vote switch is unlikely to happen at this point so i see no reason to start hunting him. That and I honestly believe there are better targets. Like risk - whom I think i have explained why I dislike. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
You go through DABDA: Denial : On January 06 2012 09:34 Jackal58 wrote: No you can't. Get over your self important self. I have a job. And it's not asking if you'd like fries with that order. When I'm here I'll read the thread and post my opinions and vote accordingly. When I'm not here I'm working or paying bills or fixing shit my wife broke. Mafia is not my career it's how I choose to spend my leisure time. Some days I have more of it than others. I will post every day. When time permits you'll be sick of seeing me. When work permits I'll post from there. Today was not one of those days. So get over it. With that said Palmar is most likely scum. When he's town this far in on day 1 he's either becoming excessively belligerent towards people or screaming at people like me to post more. ##Vote: Palmar. Anger On January 06 2012 12:20 Jackal58 wrote: Fucking null team is gonna kick our fucking asses all over the place. Bargaining On January 07 2012 23:18 Jackal58 wrote: Vote for Palmar guys. He's scum. Depression On January 07 2012 23:26 Jackal58 wrote: And of those who is going to become harder to hang after we start dying? Acceptance On January 08 2012 05:51 Jackal58 wrote: Why not? He your scum buddy too? And I'll ask the same of you. Reading your filter is a lot like reading nothing. Almost!! In short, you have nothing in your filter apart from Palmar pokes and story telling about how you always poke Palmar day1. If that's the case, it's not so usefull. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:06 risk.nuke wrote: @Palmar: about syllogism post no I don't thinbk he should had called me out for reasons I already stated. Why not? Do you dislike the attention? I mean, if you're town you have nothing to hide... | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:15 Palmar wrote: Why not? Do you dislike the attention? I mean, if you're town you have nothing to hide... lol, you're just trying to cliché paint me as scum now. I have no problems with attention but I think that him calling me out forced me reveal what I wanted to do. I would had much rather prefered him asking me about it day 2 or I might even had told you all what I was doing by day 2. As I first said calling me out unless he wanted to push me was useless, and then he proceeds to push me. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
"I'll comment on the situation and see how people respond". Which isn't much of a plan. I actually can't acknowledge that is a plan. Almost every player in the game does this, comments on something and observes response. Where and how do you draw the line on when it's acceptable to call people out? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
"I'll comment on the situation and see how people respond". | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 06 2012 04:56 risk.nuke wrote: Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me. On January 08 2012 04:15 risk.nuke wrote: @Palmar you wanted to know about my ridiculous idea. Well prepare yourself for ridiculousness. At the time I was having a blast sitting up there anonymous reading every word people were saying. It was a great discussion to. Due to my habit of vetoing the first bandwagon on principle with few exeptions I wasn't going to lynch bluelightz, Refallan I was actually slightly suspicious of. Anyway the discussion had pretty much slowed down so I wrote a few thoughts that wouldn't get either of them lynched but rather to just fuel the discussion. I was also having an eye on blazinghand back then (yeah don't worry I've dropped him, butI though he was fishy at the time) I hate day 1 and I just wanted to get as much information as I could hoping I might find a good case against odds. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Your defence is evasive at best: @risk.nuke HoD asked this^Isn't carefree play usually a townie trait? How does seeming carefree implicate bluelightz? You say you answer him here, in This post (clicky) I'm not sure what you're meaning here, we're talking about beeing nervous and beeing carefree and I think I answered that. I think your mind is living in a world where mislynches doesn't exist. You didn't really answer the carefree town question. You just talked about behaviour under pressure as town, you made no links between how town or scum would act and how BL was acting, so you definately didn't answer the second and more important question of how BL behavior was implicating him.@risk.nuke please explain why exactly you felt that those traits do not stike you as townlike? You didn't answer when i rephrased the question here either, but you did make a bunch of unhelpful comments.I don't see the point of lynching palmar in a multiteam setup. Worst case he is town and we just lyched palmar. Best case he is scum and he can't help us find the other scumteam, That's why I got really suspicious of all the vets wanting him out asap, wiggles sort of dodged me because I really liked his initial big post. I said that some people are okay with the reasoning but that some would find is suspicious (Wiggles had made the point) but basically because auto-deciding not to vote for a player and disregarding their play would be something scum would rather do if the person was on their team. I will add that the problem with your argument is that you could very well maintain that stance into day 2 or 3, even if the evidence for that player (in this case Palmar) being scum was overwhelming! In a game with such a low proportion of town it is crucial that town players can get behind lynches together and thus a stance like yours could be very anti-town (depending on how long you maintain it). Why did you simply re-state your reasoning? That doesn't affect the point whatsoever.I didn't even disagree with your reasoning, i just said that some might find it scummy. I haven't called everyone who votes for me scum wtf? well... On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: implies scum are voting for you but you don't name somebody specific, so it follows that multiple people that are scum are voting for you(you either 2 or 3 votes at this point) so it is reasonable to infer that you believe either 2/2 2/3 or 3/3 of them are scum.Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* Your dismissal confirms this I'm wasn't joking, judging from how I looked it was pretty obvious (or atleast a good chance) scum would slowly push for my lynch to protect their own. so you felt that scum were slowly voting for you?surely that would mean that you felt that more than one of the people voting for you were scum? therefore 2/3 or all of the people voting for you were scumThere is no reason not to state what you think, If I were to come in two days and say, well I thought jackal was scummy two days ago people would either not belive me or legitimitly ask me why the hell I didn't say something Do you mind explaining why you have not been saying what you think about the important issue of the lynch?Blazinghand was acting high on coffe shouting all over the place how erandorr is hustling us, I didn't much get him. He may have been acting silly but a quick filter click would have removed the need to ask a question. Why are you addressing a comment about a post "asks a question" that has no bearing on your alignment? People doesn't love my townplay I said people may know and love your townplay so this quote from you is not only irrelevant to my case but it is also incorrect. Why would you make a point like that in the first place? You are trying to paint my conclusion as wrong but you can't so you are trying to split hairs to make what i am saying carry less weight. I haven't given any serious contributions because I'm not good day 1 and I know it. And if you want to see one of my case you'll unfortunatly have to wait untill someone says something I can use because I can't magicly spawn cases. But you did promise more content and you haven't supplied it.You don't need to maically spawn cases you need to look at players behaviour and analyse it as you have in the past. You might want to do. Even if you don't construct a case you really haven't made it clear where you stand with regards to todays lynch. We have less than six hours and possibly 1 other candidate that could realistically be lynched yet you haven't shared you opinion, this is quite concerning. Some people are good at finding scum day1, I'm not so I let them do their thing while I don't them in trying to do something I would probably fail with. Isntead I try to find somehting my own way, and setting a trap isn't scummy. Lying is scummy. Not saying what you were doing afterwards is scummy. If you have something to say then say it, don't hint that you think i am a liar.I think your mind is living in a world where mislynches doesn't exist. Why don't you attack my arguments rather than attacking me? +my lurker post was entirely based on the fact that day1 mislynches are common and that we should adjust our play to put in a good position if a mislynch does happen.If I were a scum why would I not pressure him if as you say I had good reason to, exept if you think I'm refallens scumbuddy Why don't you explain why you didn't go after him rather than trying to put words in my mouth(post)?If you think I've contradicted myself you need to go back and reread that or repost it to me so I can correct you Here: It depends. If you are having a single one or two people accusing you, you get annoyed. Like I am now now with syllo. Or example in steamship prplhz tried to get me lynched on a bad case. I got annoyed. Then there are situations where you have a majority of people looking suspiciously at you. You've likely messed up and done something to justify their suspicions but you need to defend yourself. If you mess up town mislynch you. There is a situation I would be nervous in. here you explain how you feel town specifcally a town risk.nuke reacts under pressure. On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: This is basically your entire defense before my post today. Why did you not defend yourself?Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* Also you attack syllogism for doing something on day 1 that you typically do as town on day 1. (calling people out on what you think is scummy or BS). How is this not a contradiction? You really haven't invalidated my conclusion so i would prefer it if you would avoid profanities like "bogus" i am very sensitive you know. You have responded to comments that aren't accusations and you have avoided actually answering the main issues that i presented. I also think you shouldn't decide to completely ignore the argument that you are playing in a way that does match your previous play as town, particular as you better than anyone know the reasons for you actions and should be able to explain why you are acting differently. So my vote is staying on you @everyone else what time do you think would be best for the lynch? I can stay for another 2 and a half hours, and still get a good nights sleep. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: risk.nuke, does what Palmar say accurately reflect what you had in mind with your "plan"? Wait a minute! I think I might have also been using this plan! What are the chances? risk.nuke are you spying on my brain? hmmm... how should i test this?... @risk.nuke What is my favorite race in fantasy genres? + Show Spoiler + if he says dwarf i will send a complaint to zona because he must be spying on me | ||
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Denmark1944 Posts
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