EPTOn November 21 2011 15:10 Runnin wrote:
Pay gaps are irrelevant to this discussion. We are discussing well documented and proven biological differences that result in women being disadvantaged in swimming. Their results will be lower. Until there is definitive proof that men are more intelligent and capable in business than women, pay gaps among CEOs will be a legitimate discussion. For the time being there is no definitive proof that women are inferior in intelligence or business acumen than men, so inequality in "results" or pay can't reflect that. You'd need your own thread to have a sociological discussion about why female CEOs make less than men, and there could be several differing but legitimate arguments. This case is much more clear-cut.
Pay gaps are irrelevant to this discussion. We are discussing well documented and proven biological differences that result in women being disadvantaged in swimming. Their results will be lower. Until there is definitive proof that men are more intelligent and capable in business than women, pay gaps among CEOs will be a legitimate discussion. For the time being there is no definitive proof that women are inferior in intelligence or business acumen than men, so inequality in "results" or pay can't reflect that. You'd need your own thread to have a sociological discussion about why female CEOs make less than men, and there could be several differing but legitimate arguments. This case is much more clear-cut.
I was mentioning the pay gaps as means of illustrating my qualms about how others talk about equal opportunity (and, for that matter, unintended results). If you forgot the rest of what you quoted, let me remind you here. I'll leave out the part that so offends you.
Equality of oppotunity yet no equality of result. Therefore, complain about the results and put a little fix in there to ensure you get what you like. Tricky thing about freedom right there.
I connected the two as means of an illustration. I am saddened that you did not see my meaning. So, let me say again, Runnin, if the state of Massachusetts wants to eliminate discrimination in their swim teams (Girls team with no boys team and vice versa) they must accept this result as equally valid. Just like ... wait, I better not introduce another comparison here, I don't want you attacking that as if it was my principle argument.
