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anzient
Denmark119 Posts
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KwarK
United States41475 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:20 Helios.Star wrote: Im kind of torn. Yeah it can be viewed as disrespectful, but what should they have done with misc pieces of bone and flesh if the person has already been buried? Find a field with some trees and a nice view. Dig a hole with a bulldozer. Empty them all into the hole. Fill it back in. Have a priest say a few words. In practice it's landfill but you take the trouble to show a little respect. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:23 TheBatman wrote: Well the fact that this was common practice and later abolished in 2008. You leave all this out, not to mention like I said your original post is misleading and I had to take it upon myself to find an accurate account of what actually happened. If your going to post news, please don't be biased. Your painting a picture that doesn't exist for shock value and it's disrespectful Also your talking to me like I agree with happened, I do not. This was not common practice as far as we know, this has been happening for only a number of years, if it happened before it was never public. Families that signed for proper respectful burial were not informed that the remains were going to be dumped with other garbage or into the sea. This isn't the image that military draws of itself at all. | ||
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-Secret-
United Kingdom233 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:27 Fruscainte wrote: If someone had their arm blown off in an attack and their bodies were buried, the arm blown off would be burned and tossed into a pit. Yeah, that's it. That's not it. You've promised both families and the soldiers themselves you'd treat the bodies respectfully. I'm sure everyone understands that not every scrap of flesh can be DNA analyzed, but you could do about a 100 different things with them then randomly dumping them in a landfill. | ||
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Microsloth
Canada194 Posts
On December 10 2011 23:50 discodancer wrote: Might be interesting for people that drive around with 5 "Support our troops" stickers and constantly rave about US military, pride, honor and whatever else comes with the package. Ironically most of this was happening under the Bush administration which leaves pro-war folk little room for debate. I'm not even in the US military (I'm in the Canadian Navy) and I find the above quoted sentence about as disrespectful as the dumping of these bodies. Maybe it's different in the U.S., but here in Canada, we drive around with our vehicles plastered in "support our troops" stickers because we actually support them. The troops themselves. They made a choice to server their country, and if Canada began dumping bodies as is described in the article, I for damn sure wouldn't remove any stickers. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would continue to "support our troops" I agree, it's disrespectful to dump the bodies of soldiers who died fighting for their country. However, let's not use this article as an excuse to attack your country's military as a whole. "Leaves pro-war folk little room for debate", they can still fucking debate. I don't agree with every little use of U.S. or even Canadian troops, but to say that people couldn't possibly be pro-war after reading this article is ludicrous. When it comes right down to it, my focus is on the soldier, the individual. I support them for making the decision they made to put their life on the line for the freedom's we enjoy back home. If anything, seeing an article about terrible disposal of their bodies should be a reason to support them MORE, and figure out ways to ensure it doesn't happen again. The OP made me wanna rage puke. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
I hope these people are named, shamed and disgraced for the rest of their lives. Preferably prosecuted somehow as well, I'd be amazed if they hadn't broken any law in all of this. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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Tonybarbosa
Australia38 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:15 opisska wrote: They are dead. They don't care. Spending resources on burrying dead people is one of the most stupid things that our civilisation does. If you want to show your respect or come to piece with the death, you can do it in any ritual way you wish, but why do you need to have the actual body? It is just an empty piece of decaying flesh. Eh, I was typing a big response to what you said but then I realised that with what you said, there'd be no reasoning with you since you and I totally disagree with the importance of something like this. Regardless, once you've died fighting for your country make sure that you let your superiors know in advance that you want your corpse to be treated like a piece of meat. They might not care because they are dead but a civilisation which disregards something as serious as a sacrifice of life for the sake of that civilisation, without having consulted the people they are supposed to be representing, has clearly wronged the families of the dead and the dead themselves - who expected more respectful treatment, and were promised it - but did not get it. Who wants to sacrifice themselves if they can't be sure they're fighting for something they really want to protect? The integrity of the armies words are threatened by instances like these. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:32 Microsloth wrote: I'm not even in the US military (I'm in the Canadian Navy) and I find the above quoted sentence about as disrespectful as the dumping of these bodies. Maybe it's different in the U.S., but here in Canada, we drive around with our vehicles plastered in "support our troops" stickers because we actually support them. The troops themselves. They made a choice to server their country, and if Canada began dumping bodies as is described in the article, I for damn sure wouldn't remove any stickers. I wouldn't be happy about it, but I would continue to "support our troops" I agree, it's disrespectful to dump the bodies of soldiers who died fighting for their country. However, let's not use this article as an excuse to attack your country's military as a whole. "Leaves pro-war folk little room for debate", they can still fucking debate. I don't agree with every little use of U.S. or even Canadian troops, but to say that people couldn't possibly be pro-war after reading this article is ludicrous. When it comes right down to it, my focus is on the soldier, the individual. I support them for making the decision they made to put their life on the line for the freedom's we enjoy back home. If anything, seeing an article about terrible disposal of their bodies should be a reason to support them MORE, and figure out ways to ensure it doesn't happen again. The OP made me wanna rage puke. Saw this when I came back. Wish I could upvote this. Really makes me upset to see it. Thanks for your service Microsloth, though were from different countries. Have so much respect for you. <3 | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:15 opisska wrote: They are dead. They don't care. Spending resources on burrying dead people is one of the most stupid things that our civilisation does. If you want to show your respect or come to piece with the death, you can do it in any ritual way you wish, but why do you need to have the actual body? It is just an empty piece of decaying flesh. So does Czech utilize mass graves a lot? Or is that just something you would support in the name of cost efficiency? | ||
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TheBatman
United States209 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:30 discodancer wrote: This was not common practice as far as we know, this has been happening for only a number of years, if it happened before it was never public. Families that signed for proper respectful burial were not informed that the remains were going to be dumped with other garbage or into the sea. This isn't the image that military draws of itself at all. According to the pentagon, it was common practice ( Linked source on first post on front page ). And they weren't dumped with garbage or into the sea, stop making things up. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On December 10 2011 23:50 discodancer wrote: Might be interesting for people that drive around with 5 "Support our troops" stickers and constantly rave about US military, pride, honor and whatever else comes with the package. Ironically most of this was happening under the Bush administration which leaves pro-war folk little room for debate. Huh. I shouldnt support troops because some ass holes might dump their bodies in a landfill? Don't quite see the correlation. | ||
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TheBatman
United States209 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:38 DannyJ wrote: Huh. I shouldnt support troops because some ass holes might dump their bodies in a landfill? Don't quite see the correlation. Your not supposed to think when people post stuff like this, just read what he says and blindly agree next time | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:38 DannyJ wrote: Huh. I shouldnt support troops because some ass holes might dump their bodies in a landfill? Don't quite see the correlation. He/she mistakenly linked the troops and the military. To be fair, not a lot of countries consider them separate entities. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:35 TheBatman wrote: According to the pentagon, it was common practice ( Linked source on first post on front page ). And they weren't dumped with garbage or into the sea, stop making things up. http://hypervocal.com/news/2011/at-least-274-american-soldiers-remains-tossed-into-virginia-landfill-like-garbage/ The landfill disposals were never formally authorized under military policies, nor were the practices disclosed to senior Pentagon officials. Of course someone is going to say it was common practice, because uh, everyone's doing it? Don't be so naive, so far this was only found out to happen in 2003-2008, not before or after (which can still come out later) Here's what virginia landfills are: http://www.magicyellow.com/category/Landfills/-State_VA.html Garbage dumps. Also they've admitted to dumping into the sea (basically feeding fish) - read news reports, they switched to that in 2008. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:15 opisska wrote: They are dead. They don't care. Spending resources on burrying dead people is one of the most stupid things that our civilisation does. If you want to show your respect or come to piece with the death, you can do it in any ritual way you wish, but why do you need to have the actual body? It is just an empty piece of decaying flesh. Funerary ceremonies are one of the bases of all civilizations. It's silly to say that it's a "stupid thing our civilization does" because, well, it is indeed something civilizations do. It's similar to say that it is "stupid' to form societies or to elaborate a moral code of conduct. You could go even further and say that sexual relationships are stupid, why reproduce in the first place? It's not a questionable thing, as it's part of our deepest roots. You also sound very much like a dismissive teenager who does not take the time to understand a grieving family's needs. No one will break your Linkin Park CDs if you feel bad after being dumped by your girlfriend. Human beings are mostly irrational beings after all... | ||
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TheWarbler
United States1659 Posts
I could have read the article wrong. | ||
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