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discodancer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 14:51:24
December 10 2011 14:50 GMT
#1
Might be interesting for people that drive around with 5 "Support our troops" stickers and constantly rave about US military, pride, honor and whatever else comes with the package. Ironically most of this was happening under the Bush administration which leaves pro-war folk little room for debate.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/08/9290603-report-air-force-dumped-remains-of-274-troops-in-landfill

The incinerated partial remains of at least 274 American troops were dumped in a Virginia landfill, according to government records, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

Air Force officials said that the dumping was hidden from families who had given authorization for the remains to be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner, according to the newspaper.

There were no plans to inform families, officials told the newspaper.

New information revealed that the practice, exposed by The Washington Post in November, had become very widespread until it was halted in 2008, the newspaper reported.

Last month, Pentagon and Air Force officials said that figuring out how many remains were sent to the King George County, Va., landfill would take combing through the records of more than 6,300 troops.

Full story in the Washington Post: Air Force dumped more ashes than acknowledged

"It would require a massive effort and time to recall records and research individually," Jo Ann Rooney, the Pentagon's acting undersecretary for personnel, said in a Nov. 22 letter to Rep. Rush Holt (Dem.-N.J.), who has pressured the Pentagon for information on the issue on behalf of one of his constituents, according to the newspaper.

Holt reacted angrily to the news, the newspaper reported.

"What the hell?" he told the Post. "We spent millions, tens of millions, to find any trace of soldiers killed, and they're concerned about a 'massive' effort to go back and pull out the files and find out how many soldiers were disrespected this way?"

"They just don't want to ask questions or look very hard," he added, according to the newspaper.

According to records the military gave The Post, between 2003 and 2008, 976 fragments from 274 personnel were cremated, incinerated and dumped in the landfill. An additional 1,762 remains, which could not be DNA tested because of damage from explosions, were gathered from the battlefield and dumped in a similar manner, the Air Force told the newspaper.

The widow of an Army sergeant killed in Iraq told the newspaper she was furious when she was told how some of her husband's remains were dumped in the landfill.

"They have known that they were doing something disgusting, and they were doing everything they could to keep it from us," Gari-Lynn Smith told the newspaper. She had been pressing the military for information on the subject for four years — ever since she got a report on her husband's autopsy and learned that some of the remains had not been put in the casket for his funeral, according to The Post.

Changes in disposal policies came about after an in-depth review at Dover was ordered in 2008 by then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


Does this feel like a bucket of ice-cold water? Must be eye-opening for some.

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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 10 2011 14:57 GMT
#2
I remember reading this story the other day and the Air Force was refusing to talk about it...
Yargh
DucksCanKill
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands30 Posts
December 10 2011 15:01 GMT
#3
Just so sick. Weapon and oil industry making billions of dollar sending these poor folks to the biggest shitholes in the world and they are not even granted to be burried in a respectful manner.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
December 10 2011 15:04 GMT
#4
That's just flat out disgustingly disrespectful...
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Speedbump
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
New Zealand338 Posts
December 10 2011 15:12 GMT
#5
Fucking hell. That's no way to treat anyone who's died for their country.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 10 2011 15:15 GMT
#6
They are dead. They don't care. Spending resources on burrying dead people is one of the most stupid things that our civilisation does. If you want to show your respect or come to piece with the death, you can do it in any ritual way you wish, but why do you need to have the actual body? It is just an empty piece of decaying flesh.
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TheBatman
Profile Joined January 2011
United States209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:17:06
December 10 2011 15:15 GMT
#7
The snippet of the article in the OP is misleading, giving the reader the idea that lifeless bodies were thrown into a ditch and forgotton about, this is not the case.
"The families were promised an "appropriate disposition," according to Jones. Portions of soldiers' bodies, most often pieces of soft tissue or bone fragments, were cremated at the Dover Mortuary. Those ashes were then incinerated.

"Any residual materials were then turned over to a private contractor and disposed of according to "common industry practice at the time," Jones said.


While the practice was common, according to the Pentagon, there was no contractual stipulation that the remains be placed in the landfill.

Jones said the Air Force ended the practice in 2008, thanks to an internal review made by the mortuary's leadership."
http://www.wave3.com/story/16222994/public-outraged-over-air-force-dumping-of-remains


Please edit the OP to give an accurate, more detailed account of what happened.


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That being said, I find this disturbing. Im really glad they ended the practice
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:17:50
December 10 2011 15:17 GMT
#8
I think its important to note that they did not dump any whole bodies in landfills, they used it to dump body parts that were found after the death and funeral, Like many general threads, this one is slightly misleading. Very disrespectful none the less.
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discodancer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:20:49
December 10 2011 15:19 GMT
#9
If this is your idea of "disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner" then I am amused. I don't see what's there to edit, besides probably changing "bodies" to "remains" in the title (which only a mod can do, I don't even know why I typed "bodies" specifically) To me it's irrelevant.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:27:59
December 10 2011 15:20 GMT
#10
they take piece of the flesh they found after an explosion to make a DNA analyse to confirm the death. After that they put it in the medical waste container and it gets burned and put to garbage.

if they put it under the earth play a song and shoot in the air everything is fine but if they burn it and borrow it together with over stuff they don't need any more its a bad thing.

Perhaps its more important to think about why this guys had to die and not what happens to the peace of flesh that is left of his body.
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gosuRob
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States319 Posts
December 10 2011 15:20 GMT
#11
This leads me to believe the u.s government doesn't care about it's people, or even the people who fight to defend it, interesting hmm....
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Helios.Star
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States548 Posts
December 10 2011 15:20 GMT
#12
On December 11 2011 00:17 PassiveAce wrote:
I think its important to note that they did not dump any whole bodies in landfills, they used it to dump body parts that were found after the death and funeral, Like many general threads, this one is slightly misleading. Very disrespectful none the less.


Im kind of torn. Yeah it can be viewed as disrespectful, but what should they have done with misc pieces of bone and flesh if the person has already been buried?
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
December 10 2011 15:21 GMT
#13
What's happening to the american army? Year on year they keep doing sicker and sicker things. Makes you wonder who the real monster is.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 10 2011 15:21 GMT
#14
What a misleading title.
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
December 10 2011 15:21 GMT
#15
everyone should know that military is fucking garbage and
all people involved too by now.
TheBatman
Profile Joined January 2011
United States209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:26:15
December 10 2011 15:23 GMT
#16
On December 11 2011 00:19 discodancer wrote:
If this is your idea of "disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner" then I am amused. I don't see what's there to edit, besides probably changing "bodies" to "remains" in the title (which only a mod can do, I don't even know why I typed "bodies" specifically) To me it's irrelevant.

Well the fact that this was common practice and later abolished in 2008. You leave all this out, not to mention like I said your original post is misleading and I had to take it upon myself to find an accurate account of what actually happened. If your going to post news, please don't be biased.
Your painting a picture that doesn't exist for shock value and it's disrespectful

Also your talking to me like I agree with happened, I do not.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
December 10 2011 15:24 GMT
#17
On December 11 2011 00:21 sekritzzz wrote:
What's happening to the american army? Year on year they keep doing sicker and sicker things. Makes you wonder who the real monster is.


The people that don't read the "news" reports properly.
Xayoz
Profile Joined December 2010
Estonia373 Posts
December 10 2011 15:25 GMT
#18
You are cremated and you remains thrown into the sea/wind/etc.
Thats how most funerals I have been to in the last decade have been held.

I don't get it, what's the issue here? Their families paid for them to be buried and they got a cremation funeral instead?
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:30:13
December 10 2011 15:26 GMT
#19
Well, fuck.

On December 11 2011 00:25 Xayoz wrote:
You are cremated and you remains thrown into the sea/wind/etc.
Thats how most funerals I have been to in the last decade have been held.

I don't get it, what's the issue here? Their families paid for them to be buried and they got a cremation funeral instead?


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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:27:23
December 10 2011 15:27 GMT
#20
On December 11 2011 00:25 Xayoz wrote:
You are cremated and you remains thrown into the sea/wind/etc.
Thats how most funerals I have been to in the last decade have been held.

I don't get it, what's the issue here? Their families paid for them to be buried and they got a cremation funeral instead?


If someone had their arm blown off in an attack and their bodies were buried, the arm blown off would be burned and tossed into a pit.

Yeah, that's it.
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