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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:22 wherebugsgo wrote: I thought he was the best vote yesterday primarily on meta and his bad mayoral campaign. Now he's even more likely to be scum because the people voting him were nearly all town and scum saved him with a last minute switch. Prpl and Zeks should have died yesterday. Since prpl did not, he needs to die now. I can consolidate my analysis of prpl again if you'd like; I'll do that when I can get computer access. i would very much like it its night so there is no immediate need but i have my own analysis and i would very much like to see yours. or for that matter actual analysis in general we have 185 pages since game start and the amount of trash:analysis ratio is painful | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Why would they sacrifice Kenpachi, Ciryandor and three more to save me of all people? 6 for 1, and that 1 person is already in a very vulnerable position. Them trying to kill Palmar and BloodyC0bbler has absolutely nothing to do with me and if you would just use some of that logic you always claim to have in ample supply you would have realized this before we even started this discussion. You made a list of 15 people you thought were scum and then BloodyC0bbler said "there's one missing" and you said "u lol", I don't know when this was 'cause this thread is moving pretty fast but I am pretty sure it was hours after the lynch deadline. In addition to this you are accusing me based on: no analysis, shitty (all meta used against me is shitty) and secret meta arguments, and the insane idea that 6 scum scrambled to save me. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 21:21 prplhz wrote: wherebugsgo is my strongest scum read at this time. His activity doesn't mean anything, but he is lying his ass off to get whatever he wants while trying to appear a lot more pro-town than his actions really are. That list up there consists of 6 people who will get shot by any person with a brain and the rest of the list is very questionable. He claims some are backed up by analysis, which is untrue in my case at least, and the rest of them is based on who voted Palmar and who voted for wherebugsgo. This is shitty beyond anything. BAM SON shove that lie up your ass. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:31 prplhz wrote: Rofl, why should I have died yesterday? THERE WAS NEVER EVEN ANY ANALYSIS ON ME AND THERE STILL ISN'T. I think it was pretty weird that I got almost 17 votes in 2.5 hours after I went to bed, without anybody ever writing a case on me. Don't you think that this is weird? Also, scum scrambling to save me, rofl, are you fucking kidding me? Why would Kenpachi and Ciryandor and the rest scramble to save me? To kill Palmar and BloodyCobbler seems very reasonable, but to save me? That's fucking insane and you know it, if I were scum I'd already be dead. Look at what I am writing and tell me how it is scummy instead of incessantly assaulting me with these baseless accusations, and meta arguments that you are not good enough to use AT ALL. Wrong there is this analysis on you, you dismissed it as "terrible" but since you are denying its existence in caps im sure you won't mind telling me why each of the points i make are terrible and perhaps you can explain why you wrote what you wrote. + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2011 09:46 layabout wrote: of the likely candidates for the lynch this seems the most incriminating: I feel that the reasoning in this post is weak. Prplhz earlier posted that he felt a lynch against Palmer was bad and told the thread the stop voting him. he dismisses that stance by saying that he has a town read on BC and he is suspicious of Palmar so the lynch is okay. He further states that all we stand to lose with a dead Palmer is at worst 1 lynch. This assumes Palmer is town so if we kill town palmer we also lose his contributions. the actual worst case scenario is Palmer Town BC scum, lynching Palmer would cost us a Veteran towns reads his extra votes and town would lose control of double lynching.Whatever he think BC's alignment is he cannot confirm it (if he is town) so he should consider it when looking at potential scenarios a Town player should not miss-sell a worst case scenario it could be a mistake or it could be mafia making a claim they hope people will not investigate. He vaguely mentions lifting this from a previous post so if this is picked up upon he has pre-emptively shift blame not uncertainty but Blame. Again a town player should not be doing this when they post.This is highly suspect he also supports this decision by saying that risen is scum so killing Palmer will cost them a KP. But a case against risen is not relevant to why palmer may or may not be scum. He is trying to make you think of unrealistic outcomes that make you feel more comfortable with lynching Palmer as oppossed to convincing you that he is scum. screams mafia agenda. there is also no effort to analyse posts, there is a "meta" based argument that seems weak but that i cannot fully evaluate and in another post he decribes Palmer's behavior as "weird" and seems to use that as a reason. i think this could indicate scum play if i was trying hard to conclude that he is town then i would say he probably have strong perceptions on how other people should play and they have not matched waht is happened so he is yelling scum. he may simply have made a series of false judgements not grounded is clear reasoning. but i feel the discrepancy between what he describes and what is actually possible and likely (numbers say 2 town is most likey we need analysis if we want to disagree) i have clearly stated my oppositon to a Palmer lynch and similarly a BC Lynch and i feel that when addressing the issue deceit should be inexcusable. here is an alternative perspective on ace +Palmer: there are still people mentioning Ace and aces action's and for me this hits the nail on the head if have tried to include room for other options because i feel reasoning like this could potentially be misleading + Show Spoiler + my take on relying on or using Ace's* reads or arguments when deciding on who to vote for Ace did something "naughty" and is no longer with us when he was naughty his actions were either intentional, unintentional or not his actions (maybe someone else deliberately used his account) if they were unintentional, then i can see him either making a honest mistake or other if they were intentional then he didn't think he would be killed, or he wanted to be killed perhaps other if he wanted to be killed then he no longer wished to help town or he was trolling or other subsequently i think that there is a strong possibility he was trolling and as such his reads should not be relied upon and if you re-use his arguments you should check them extra thoroughly because i know that all of use carefully examine arguments before we decide they are correct and we re-use them as our own. he also used a number of gifs(this may not be unusual) but he said that On November 28 2011 08:34 Ace wrote: Also hier and that guy's name that starts with a v were making a lot of sense from my skims. You should protect them at all costs. Everyone else is food. i cannot take this seriously * apparently he is "a god" and is worth more than are best 5 players combined ( this second claim seems like an understatement at present) "clicking spoilers is for people that care" i think ace may have been trollong and as such i would like to state that you should not be voting based on what he did. Before Ace joined the most notable case against Palmer was YM i think we need to be very careful with using Ace's arguments against Palmer. additionally you tried to discredit sandroba after he called you scum, why? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:46 prplhz wrote: No scum team would sacrifice 6 members of their team to save me, who was already getting a ton of votes. Why do you think any scum team would think I'm that important? You wouldn't. The scum team tried to kill Palmar and BloodyC0bbler and I was one third many votes and now you're trying to convince people they were saving me when you know just as well as anybody else who has ever played with me before: I'm not worth that. Why would they sacrifice Kenpachi, Ciryandor and three more to save me of all people? 6 for 1, and that 1 person is already in a very vulnerable position. Them trying to kill Palmar and BloodyC0bbler has absolutely nothing to do with me and if you would just use some of that logic you always claim to have in ample supply you would have realized this before we even started this discussion. You made a list of 15 people you thought were scum and then BloodyC0bbler said "there's one missing" and you said "u lol", I don't know when this was 'cause this thread is moving pretty fast but I am pretty sure it was hours after the lynch deadline. In addition to this you are accusing me based on: no analysis, shitty (all meta used against me is shitty) and secret meta arguments, and the insane idea that 6 scum scrambled to save me. saving you is a beneficial side effect to downing mayor+sheriff. Anyway, I'm going to ignore you for a second and respond to hassy, then I will consolidate that analysis that I keep forgetting to do. I'll also add some new stuff in there, since, well, I can. Hassy, this is what I don't like in your filter: On November 30 2011 22:50 Hassybaby wrote: Oh for God sake, can the vets please stop fighting between each other? Where has that got us so far? I don't care which of the vets are Mafia and which are town right now, because the longer they stay alive, the better their cases will be towards either option. And we need the vets to be there to have a look at the cases and make he best decision, because us newer players haven't given the best showing (except risen, who's been great IMO) Right now, in all honesty, I'm not convinced any of the active players are scum. Maybe its because I suck, but no one has convince me otherwise. prp, I voted for you because I hated your mayor campaign. To me it was screaming scaremongering, and in a game where we have this many new players, there should have been cohesion, not distrust. That's why I voted for you. But in hindsight, I don't think you are any-more. Or rather, I don't feel there's sufficient evidence to say you are. So I ask you guys, to put aside your fighting for a bit. We are approaching LYLO status, and we HAVE to make sure that the next few hits are good, or we're boned. So lets get rid of the fluff. The lurkers and the scumslips have to go. Possibly the trolls (though I'm slowly thinking that Serajai is a misunderstood prophet than a raving lunatic) Hopefully by then we'll have some more clues to work with. We should have more DT reads, we'll Occam's Razor it people, then work on the rest. We are nowhere close to LYLO. Yeah, saying we're approaching LYLO is true and all, but that's true at any point in the game, you're always going toward the endgame where there's less townies and one lynch that decides the game. The bolded sentence is a type of fear mongering. Don't do it as town, because it makes you more scummy. At any rate, I already made a list before I left: Kill These Please Coagulation (meta) Lemonwalrus (meta) Drazerk Serejai Sprungjeezy Kenpachi vaderseven Ciryandor prplhz Mattchew Steveling AmericanUmlaut Soap | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:51 wherebugsgo wrote: saving you is a beneficial side effect to downing mayor+sheriff. Anyway, I'm going to ignore you for a second and respond to hassy, then I will consolidate that analysis that I keep forgetting to do. I'll also add some new stuff in there, since, well, I can. Hassy, this is what I don't like in your filter: We are nowhere close to LYLO. Yeah, saying we're approaching LYLO is true and all, but that's true at any point in the game, you're always going toward the endgame where there's less townies and one lynch that decides the game. The bolded sentence is a type of fear mongering. Don't do it as town, because it makes you more scummy. At any rate, I already made a list before I left: Kill These Please Coagulation (meta) Lemonwalrus (meta) Drazerk Serejai Sprungjeezy Kenpachi vaderseven Ciryandor prplhz Mattchew Steveling AmericanUmlaut Soap Can you reorginize it in order of scuminess? Not seeing ciryandor and kenpachi at the top makes me cringe. Otherwise, I 100% agree with over half that list. I highlighted the people I am not sure about. Granted, I don't know who most of them are, but filtering WBG's posts for his reasons is like smoking five packs a day to try to develop a cough. | ||
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Hier
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
It's fine like that imo. Hmm not sure what I think of the list yet. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:58 bumatlarge wrote: Can you reorginize it in order of scuminess? Not seeing ciryandor and kenpachi at the top makes me cringe. Otherwise, I 100% agree with over half that list. I highlighted the people I am not sure about. Granted, I don't know who most of them are, but filtering WBG's posts for his reasons is like smoking five packs a day to try to develop a cough. I listed the bolded players because of the convo sandro, BC and I had. Coag oddly enough is the scummiest to me lol. I mean, other than the confirmed scum. He's done nothing and his play is identical to steamship. reordered: Kill These Please Serejai Sprungjeezy Kenpachi vaderseven Ciryandor prplhz Mattchew Steveling Soap Coagulation (meta) Lemonwalrus (meta) Drazerk AmericanUmlaut [/QUOTE] | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 01 2011 04:01 risk.nuke wrote: If you order them scummiest first people are more likely to stack bombs/vigi shots. It's fine like that imo. Hmm not sure what I think of the list yet. Well that doesn't make any sense. Just vig the scummiest people, and put bombs on the less scummy. And that's not why I'm asking for an ordered list, or else I'd just make my own. I want to see where WBG is placing these people in bold so that I can get where he's coming from. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Stuff he's done so far:
Jackal58's death takes place on a dock while Hassaby talks about beaches in his profile. Both kitaman27 and more notably Radfield were killed with knives, there's a hello kitty thingy with a knife in Hassaby's profile. This just from my notes, I am sick and tired of talking with wherebugsgo. Hassaby good target for lynch tomorrow, vigs have enough targets for tonight already. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm going to ignore all new posts till my prpl analysis thing and then I'll respond again. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On December 01 2011 04:07 prplhz wrote: Hassaby Stuff he's done so far:
Jackal58's death takes place on a dock while Hassaby talks about beaches in his profile. Both kitaman27 and more notably Radfield were killed with knives, there's a hello kitty thingy with a knife in Hassaby's profile. This just from my notes, I am sick and tired of talking with wherebugsgo. Hassaby good target for lynch tomorrow, vigs have enough targets for tonight already. Earlier today I read something from him that made me go "aha you're scum" for some reason. I filtered and checked him, he seemed clean to me. And you're tunneling for evidence, thought you'd learn your lesson from steamship. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 01 2011 03:22 wherebugsgo wrote: Now he's even more likely to be scum because the people voting him were nearly all town prplhz: 16 bumatlarge sinani206 Serejai layabout Risen Hassybaby Deconduo Coagulation supersoft Palmar (X 3) risk.nuke hyshes redFF wherebugsgo Risen and Palmar are confirmed, I asked you about Supersoft already. Coagulation and Serejai you want dead. Are the rest town according to you? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On December 01 2011 04:15 risk.nuke wrote: Earlier today I read something from him that made me go "aha you're scum" for some reason. I filtered and checked him, he seemed clean to me. And you're tunneling for evidence, thought you'd learn your lesson from steamship. I don't even know what that means, but I was town in steamship lol. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2572 Posts
On December 01 2011 02:17 Serejai wrote: Coincidentally, you're also on my scum list. When I flip green and the pressure is on you is that going to be your excuse? "I'm not mafia! I thought he was trolling!" You're gonna need a better one that that. Especially since even though you've posted a lot of walls of text in this thread they're all fluff and contain no real substance. All of your posts are of the "appears to contribute without actually contributing" variety, and I have no doubt town will catch on eventually and start looking into your scummy playstyle. If you were green and wanted your accusations to serve as evidence after your death, maybe you should have accused less than half of the player base of being scum. When you die, I'm 90% sure you're going to flip red, and if you don't all you've left behind is a vast wasteland of stupid troll posts. | ||
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