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discodancer
United States280 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
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discodancer
United States280 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:06 MayorITC wrote: The reason most people don't catch Avilo's satire is because he really is the type to complain about asinine things. Who remembers his argument with ret? OP would have been so much more effective if a mannered player made it. You wish it was like that, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. | ||
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Coramoor
Canada455 Posts
I'm in "mid" masters and my 2-2 is never more then 5 seconds after my 1-1 if i'm going for that type of build, unless i'm being harassed and need the money at that instant, so i fail to see how it's any faster... yes i have an extra 50/50, however what benefit 50/50 gives me i don't know, since there is literally nothing other than a probe i could fit in, in this time period therefore players at your level, much tighter, so definitely not an issue for you, this update might help diamond level protoss with some slightly less sloppy timings, but otherwise meh | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6590 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:31 Coramoor wrote: Avilo is also the person who tried to argue that tvz was impossible if you didn't 2rax bunker rush or w/e was in vogue whenever he wrote that blog, along comes mvp, who needs what now... I'm in "mid" masters and my 2-2 is never more then 5 seconds after my 1-1 if i'm going for that type of build, unless i'm being harassed and need the money at that instant, so i fail to see how it's any faster... yes i have an extra 50/50, however what benefit 50/50 gives me i don't know, since there is literally nothing other than a probe i could fit in, in this time period therefore players at your level, much tighter, so definitely not an issue for you, this update might help diamond level protoss with some slightly less sloppy timings, but otherwise meh this is what I came in here to say. if I'm going for a quick +1.... I'm not trying to blow anybodies minds or anything but +2 follows it immediately. that extra 50/50 is cool and everything but its not going to change a single thing lol | ||
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Azzur
Australia6250 Posts
Anyways, avilo has a history of balance arguments - who can forget the TvZ avilo balance while back in GSL Season 3? | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
Never understood why you complained about that when all you do is make tanks, wtf can storm do vs range 13 LOL PS it actually wasn't imbalanced, PvT winrates even during storm season was right around 50% and that was before Terrans even used ghosts. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:44 Azzur wrote: A hilarious blog - when caught in the face of irrefutable logic avilo retreats back to the "I'm just trolling" shell. Anyways, avilo has a history of balance arguments - who can forget the TvZ avilo balance while back in GSL Season 3? Do not be fooled by his common place appearance, like so many things it is not what is outside, but what is inside that counts... This is not ordinary blog! It once changed the course of a young man's play. A young man who wrote this blog, was more than what he seemed. A diamond in the rough. Perhaps you would like to hear the tale? It begins on a dark night, where Dustin Browder waits, with a dark purpose. | ||
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aNDRoM
United States637 Posts
On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote: dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money.. Well, his subject does say "Bronzies" who may not have their macro timings tight enough to start 2-2 right after 1-1. If someone accidentally creates an additional probe or warps in an extra stalker earlier on, then 1.4.2 does allow them to start 2-2 a little faster. It gives people more slack to recover from "mistakes", which I guess is offensive to avilo. | ||
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 09 2011 12:51 Geovu wrote: Hey Avilo guess what? Kheydarin Amulet. Never understood why you complained about that when all you do is make tanks, wtf can storm do vs range 13 LOL PS it actually wasn't imbalanced, PvT winrates even during storm season was right around 50% and that was before Terrans even used ghosts. It was horrendously imbalanced, which is why it was removed from the game. And also Terran had a hell of a lot of "buffs" back then compared to current patch. Nice try to de-rail tho ^_^ my blog is not about balance. Although a few forum warriors have come out of the woodwork referencing arguments I made a year ago that have nothing to do with this topic for some reason @_@ On November 09 2011 17:16 Inori wrote: So let me get this straight. A guy that is known for whining over balance and patch changes makes a "sarcastic" blog on people that whine over balance and patch changes? Amazing! We're in a dream. | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
But apparently he's admitted he's wrong now? I hope so because he straight up is (I'm a terran player too). The new patch shouldn't affect the upgrade timing at all. What it will affect is giving the protoss a little extra money should they choose to get fast upgrades. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2571 Posts
In what game have you seen someone going for a 2/2 timing push lose because (1) he was 50/50 short when 1/1 finished and (2) the timing was so razor thin that the attack would have been successful if it had come five seconds earlier but didn't because of (1)? For that matter, in what game have you seen a pro who was going for a 2/2 timing but didn't have the resources to start 2/2 when 1/1 was done? Hitting that timing is what 2/2 timing builds are built around, the only difference the price makes when executing them is in how many units you can have in addition to your upgrade investments at any given moment. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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LeoLeo
Sweden456 Posts
Upgrades are cheaper, so you can get them with less money aka earlier? Or is it like you can get a stalker with the upgrade for the same price as the previous version of the upgrade? Shit starcraft is confusing, better be watching pictures of cats instead. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On November 09 2011 10:37 Probulous wrote: I'm beginning to suspect that this in fact a clever disguised meta-blog. Avilo is in fact revelling in the idiotic logic he so displayed in his OP. By pushing the boundaries of what could be considered reasonable, he has pointed out how ridiculous balance whining about insignificant changes are. He does this all through clever use of rage. Note how many people have commented on what is just a angry blog. I must say it is a very subtle technique. The irony of course is that his meta-blog is so well done that people actually believe he is serious and so dismiss the point he is trying to make. Genius has often been mistaken for madness and I for one won't make that mistake. Well done Avilo, you show them who knows whats going on. BLOGCEPTION | ||
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SlimeBagly
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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