• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:47
CET 14:47
KST 22:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread About SC2SEA.COM Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2334 users

Age and Reaction Speed Decline. A StarCraft Study.

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1826 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-05 23:42:35
January 05 2025 23:15 GMT
#1
https://www.madmonq.gg/reaction-time/

This study was done in SC2 specifically.


To better understand the relationship between age and reaction time, the Simon Fraser team based their research on Starcraft 2 players of different age groups and analyzed their “looking-doing latencies” – the time between seeing and responding.

The reason Starcraft 2 was used for the case study is simple; it’s hard and very complex.

To excel at this particular game, you need lightning-fast reflexes, a memory like a steel trap, and to be capable of comfortably managing and predicting several strategies at once.

Put simply, it’s a hyperactive, laser-focused form of future chess.

And well… you guessed it: the older the player, the slower the player – a fact which only gets more true with age.


They found that a 39-year-old elite player (GM?) was about 150 milliseconds slower per action than a 24-year-old counterpart, giving the younger player roughly a 30-second advantage over 15 minutes of gameplay.

Now you’re probably thinking: Thirty seconds over 15 minutes? That’s nothing, right?

Well… some elite players are capable of a staggering 10 actions per second, meaning that half a minute in real-time gameplay is… how to put this… yuuuuge!
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
PremoBeats
Profile Joined March 2024
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-06 07:46:22
January 06 2025 07:42 GMT
#2
Interesting... I made an analysis based on actual results which I will post soon (how different players from the 2013-2015 prime StarCraft era fared a couple years later when Reynor and Serral became big). There, the actual difference doesn't seem to be that high or players were even able to counter age-specific declines in reaction time with experience or other metrics. I did it to answer some counter-arguments that were made in response to my GOAT list.
Also, if we look at HSC26 GuMiho, now aged 32, beat the probably fastest player of all time in two series (1 off-racing though). This is in accordance with what I found in my analysis, so I think the practical implications aren't that high.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17691 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-06 08:01:12
January 06 2025 08:00 GMT
#3
On January 06 2025 16:42 PremoBeats wrote:
Interesting... I made an analysis based on actual results which I will post soon (how different players from the 2013-2015 prime StarCraft era fared a couple years later when Reynor and Serral became big). There, the actual difference doesn't seem to be that high or players were even able to counter age-specific declines in reaction time with experience or other metrics. I did it to answer some counter-arguments that were made in response to my GOAT list.
Also, if we look at HSC26 GuMiho, now aged 32, beat the probably fastest player of all time in two series (1 off-racing though). This is in accordance with what I found in my analysis, so I think the practical implications aren't that high.

Just because an older player beat a younger player doesn't mean any of this is invalid. Gumiho might've played even better if he had the reaction time that he used to have when he was younger. This is just about reaction time, not overall skill.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
PremoBeats
Profile Joined March 2024
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-06 10:53:24
January 06 2025 10:32 GMT
#4
On January 06 2025 17:00 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2025 16:42 PremoBeats wrote:
Interesting... I made an analysis based on actual results which I will post soon (how different players from the 2013-2015 prime StarCraft era fared a couple years later when Reynor and Serral became big). There, the actual difference doesn't seem to be that high or players were even able to counter age-specific declines in reaction time with experience or other metrics. I did it to answer some counter-arguments that were made in response to my GOAT list.
Also, if we look at HSC26 GuMiho, now aged 32, beat the probably fastest player of all time in two series (1 off-racing though). This is in accordance with what I found in my analysis, so I think the practical implications aren't that high.

Just because an older player beat a younger player doesn't mean any of this is invalid. Gumiho might've played even better if he had the reaction time that he used to have when he was younger. This is just about reaction time, not overall skill.


Agreed. And I do not think that the study is invalidated by a match or two nor did I write that. I wrote that the practical implications are probably not that high, as there might be other metrics to make up for the slower reaction time.
My analysis showed that a higher age does not necessarily correlate with lower win rates versus top players or general win rates.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#61
WardiTV895
TKL 219
Harstem165
Rex126
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 362
TKL 219
Harstem 165
Lowko160
Rex 126
ProTech119
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44261
Calm 8804
Horang2 1356
EffOrt 987
Jaedong 896
Soma 669
Stork 522
firebathero 444
Larva 411
Rush 279
[ Show more ]
Pusan 168
Zeus 150
ZerO 99
Killer 87
Mind 86
ToSsGirL 84
yabsab 30
scan(afreeca) 27
Hm[arnc] 12
NaDa 12
ivOry 10
sas.Sziky 7
Dota 2
Gorgc2534
qojqva1604
Dendi1028
XcaliburYe176
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2114
x6flipin689
pashabiceps435
allub181
markeloff71
Other Games
B2W.Neo721
Pyrionflax436
hiko412
crisheroes325
Fuzer 300
Sick178
oskar105
Hui .102
Liquid`LucifroN80
QueenE42
ZerO(Twitch)18
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12782
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2324
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 62
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1821
• WagamamaTV136
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 13m
Replay Cast
9h 13m
ChoboTeamLeague
11h 13m
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 13m
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.