EPTOn November 09 2011 09:25 strongandbig wrote:
Avilo why won't you respond to this one?
Avilo why won't you respond to this one?
Because he's wrong and this particular post makes him look stupid.
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United States1864 Posts
Because he's wrong and this particular post makes him look stupid. | ||
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Khazroul
United Kingdom206 Posts
In all seriousness can someone theory craft this for me? cba making a new topic so i'll ask here. Just how many more stalkers can you get out with this change? | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On November 09 2011 09:41 Khazroul wrote: I guess after the rage he's shown and the insults thrown around, he has now realised his mistake, and feels all of those insults suddenly applied to him all at once, he is currently sobbing in the corner. In all seriousness can someone theory craft this for me? cba making a new topic so i'll ask here. Just how many more stalkers can you get out with this change? You can just theorically replace one zealot with one stalker and an interceptor because of the 50/50 you will save. Quite meaningless. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 09 2011 09:46 pPingu wrote: You can just theorically replace one zealot with one stalker and an interceptor because of the 50/50 you will save. Quite meaningless. Interceptor is game-changing. Idiot. | ||
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Lior
Portugal118 Posts
OMG toss OP. | ||
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Khazroul
United Kingdom206 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On November 09 2011 07:59 Endymion wrote: zerg regen health, can't they just pull away units before they die and have 100% unit efficiency over the course of the game? To the Nerf mobile! Honestly this thread is brilliant. So much rage! I think I might hang around for a bit  | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28525 Posts
On November 09 2011 09:41 Khazroul wrote: I guess after the rage he's shown and the insults thrown around, he has now realised his mistake, and feels all of those insults suddenly applied to him all at once, he is currently sobbing in the corner. In all seriousness can someone theory craft this for me? cba making a new topic so i'll ask here. Just how many more stalkers can you get out with this change? if you include shields, then p can have 375/375 more in army value after having 3 3 3 upgrades now than before. without shields, they can have 150/150 more in army value after hitting 3 0 3 now than before. they can also have 50/50 more in army value when starting 2/2 now than before. if 1 1 upgrades had been changed, then yes, it could make a difference beyond amount of units because a timed 1 1 or 2 2 attack could strike some seconds earlier (and that can be significant), but as 1 1 has not been changed, there is no difference in how fast upgrades will finish at any level. (as protoss players already start 2 2 once 1 1 finishes - the difference is that now they can swap one zealot for one stalker, or turn one stalker into one sentry and two probes, or something like that, while still banking enough to start 2 2. if shields were factored into the equation, and maybe they will be now, then it'd be a bit different and actually significant, but whining about the 2-2 and 3-3 changes for melee and armor is just.. stupid. at least emp radius is actually something that will influence games. | ||
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Lior
Portugal118 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Busted! I thought I could minimize it, but you are too clever  | ||
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Geovu
Estonia1344 Posts
On November 09 2011 10:09 Lior wrote: You bronze scrubs are so far behind the curve it's not even funny, Avilo was CLEARLY talking about the future triple forge builds. Nah, not viable. It loses to Quad Armory Mech Banshee Raven with Ghosts. Trust me I've done the math. | ||
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
let me just quote like the 5th response, that you chose to ignore. And liquid drone pretty much covers it aswell. On November 09 2011 07:47 Gatored wrote: Show nested quote + The level 1 upgrades were untouched for attack and armor. By the time those 2 upgrades are done protoss has the money to upgrade to 2/2 (with the new patch or without). Therefore protoss will not have any quicker upgrades than before the patch. Edit: The only worthwhile upgrades you get in PvT is attack and armor. If you really think 50/50 for both level 2 upgrades and 100/100 for level 3 upgrades are gonna break the game then I don't know what to say anymore. I honestly thought this would be the first patch were something happens, and it would just kinda happen and no one would make a big deal out of it. Maybe the emp nerf would get ppl raging but i honestly didnt expect anyone to care about the upgrade changes lol. Guess everyone has to blame and rage toward something. Also ps- no one really gets shield upgrades ever vs terran. This should be spotlighted - labeled for entertainment purposes. :D And once again he ignored the good points and trolls the rest. Quality!! i love it! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43568 Posts
1. Balance whine 2. Doesn't understand that with Level 1 upgrades not being cheaper/ faster, Level 2 upgrades won't come any faster. 3. Even if immediate upgrades were 50 resources cheaper, they would only come about 5 seconds sooner (read as: negligible). 4. Isn't avilo not someone to be taken seriously? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On November 09 2011 08:43 babylon wrote: I think he's just saying that because it's cheaper, you can afford it sooner. For instance: You want to buy a new keyboard. Say it costs $50 normally. You have $20 saved up and are working at a $10/hr job. Normally this means you would have to work for three more hours so you have enough to buy the keyboard. But hey, there's a price cut! All of a sudden it's only 30 bucks! You only have to work for one more hour, and now you have your keyboard. Therefore you will get it sooner, because you have the necessary amount of money sooner. This, however, assumes that: 1.) You're not already immediately starting 2/2 in your forge as soon as 1/1 finishes. (I'm not a Protoss player, so I don't know how tight your builds are.) And if this part holds true, then ... 2.) Your macro is tight enough to take advantage of the fact that the research cost is lowered. (By this I mean you're not floating enough money to start the 2/2 upgrades immediately. So you're waiting a bit for your money and gas to go from X to 150, where X < 150, which will be shorter than however long it takes for X to go to 175.) At least that's what I ... think is going on in this post. Apologies to avilo if I, too, am misreading what he said and am being idiotic. My analogy may also be completely stupid. YES! Your analogy is one I was going to type out and make but then I realized the it would be a similar question to one on an elementary schooler's math quiz, and so far, it's looking like many of these people would not pass it. On November 09 2011 08:54 Sated wrote: - You can't get Level 2 until Level 1 finishes. - You get Level 1 just as quickly as before since it costs the same. - Ergo, you can't start Level 2 any sooner no matter what it costs (even if it only cost 1 mineral and 1 gas) because the rate-limiting step is Level 1 finishing. All you need to do to have the minerals and gas ready to make Level 2 at the same time in Patch 1.4 as in Patch 1.4.2 is to cut 50/50 worth of units: No time required. People are retarded. EDIT: The time taken to build a Barracks and a Tech-Lab is less than the time taken to collect 50/50. Ergo, you should start the upgrade at the same time when it costs more, you just have to cut 50/50 worth of stuff to do so. Again, time is not the issue, the units/buildings you are able to afford whilst hitting this timing are the issue. Yes, why yes they are *looks directly at you* On November 09 2011 09:21 Rotodyne wrote: ok so im confused, patch is OP because toss gets like 5-10 extra stalkers out right? My thread is not about OP or underpowered - it's pointing out how many people do not have fucking common sense or 5th grade math / reasoning skills. On November 09 2011 09:25 strongandbig wrote: Avilo why won't you respond to this one? Even though I'm at my computer a lot, i'm not at it 24/7... On November 09 2011 09:40 Complete wrote: Because he's wrong and this particular post makes him look stupid. Or because i was not at my computer...? .... gators post is another example of someone that does not fucking understand basic reasoning. The upgrades cost less, it means you can pay the lump sum sooner than you would pre-patch...*facepalms* it's not hard to understand at all. Yet all of these protosses are making this out to be fuckin calculus. On November 09 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't remember the last time I saw a blog thread that should be closed because it was just plain misguided. 1. Balance whine 2. Doesn't understand that with Level 1 upgrades not being cheaper/ faster, Level 2 upgrades won't come any faster. 3. Even if immediate upgrades were 50 resources cheaper, they would only come about 5 seconds sooner (read as: negligible). 4. Isn't avilo not someone to be taken seriously? 1) My thread and OP had zero balance whine in it at all, if you perceived that then that's some perception you have and is related to your own internal balance whinining. Read the OP - zero balance whine. 2) Holy fucking shit. You're one of "them." This blog post relates to a poster such as yourself! I am assuming you did go to elementary school or the equivalent for whatever country your from. Level 2 upgrades cost less money. Level 3 upgrades cost less money. You will be able to afford them earlier than you would pre-patch, it's not fucking rocket science. You will have the ability to save up those resources and pay them at an earlier point in the game because they cost less fucking money! 3) Not necessarily. Because of the high cost of the level 2/3 upgrades across all races, there are moments in games where decisions will be made to either save up that entire sum of money to research the upgrades or not to, and with cheaper upgrades, there will more often be times where you will be able to afford purchasing these upgrades because they COST LESS MONEY. 4) Sup hater. Hater gonna hate. | ||
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
If the first level of upgrades had been changes, then I can see a difference in timing of the upgrades, but by the time 2/2 upgrades need to be pushed, the toss economy should be at a level where they don't have to be waited on at all. Also, why you so BM to me on ladder? | ||
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Lior
Portugal118 Posts
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28525 Posts
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ItsYoungLee
Korea (South)227 Posts
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Lior
Portugal118 Posts
On November 09 2011 10:35 ItsYoungLee wrote: Liquid`Drone if your explanation does get it through to his head, then I suggest we just stop trying to convince him of our correct logic. I'm starting to think this might be a very elaborate troll. | ||
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