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On November 09 2011 09:41 Khazroul wrote:
I guess after the rage he's shown and the insults thrown around, he has now realised his mistake, and feels all of those insults suddenly applied to him all at once, he is currently sobbing in the corner.
In all seriousness can someone theory craft this for me? cba making a new topic so i'll ask here.
Just how many more stalkers can you get out with this change?
Or because i was not at my computer...but it's a bit difficult for you guys to deduce something so simple, when you're too busy slinging flames around @_@
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I'm beginning to suspect that this in fact a clever disguised meta-blog. Avilo is in fact revelling in the idiotic logic he so displayed in his OP. By pushing the boundaries of what could be considered reasonable, he has pointed out how ridiculous balance whining about insignificant changes are. He does this all through clever use of rage. Note how many people have commented on what is just a angry blog.
I must say it is a very subtle technique. The irony of course is that his meta-blog is so well done that people actually believe he is serious and so dismiss the point he is trying to make.
Genius has often been mistaken for madness and I for one won't make that mistake. Well done Avilo, you show them who knows whats going on.
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On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money..
Calm down my friend, he is just trolling hard. Just sit back and watch the show. He will choose to pick out certain things and ignore others. It is fantastic. Art really. I wish i had the ability to call everyone around me a idiot, and honestly think that everyone in the world has no idea what they are talking about and i am the one and only person who understands life itself. Sadly im not that ignorant D: Would be interesting life tho, full of rage :D This blog is very very pointless tho, especially with the patch thread.
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On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money..
My logic is assuming no one is perfect...you can't ALWAYS immediately start 2/2 upgrades. If you could every game, then I would agree with you. Too many variables y0. Great scott.
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On November 09 2011 10:37 Probulous wrote:
I'm beginning to suspect that this in fact a clever disguised meta-blog. Avilo is in fact revelling in the idiotic logic he so displayed in his OP. By pushing the boundaries of what could be considered reasonable, he has pointed out how ridiculous balance whining about insignificant changes are. He does this all through clever use of rage. Note how many people have commented on what is just a angry blog.
I must say it is a very subtle technique. The irony of course is that his meta-blog is so well done that people actually believe he is serious and so dismiss the point he is trying to make.
Genius has often been mistaken for madness and I for one won't make that mistake. Well done Avilo, you show them who knows whats going on.
GREAT SCOTT
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On November 09 2011 10:38 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money.. My logic is assuming no one is perfect...you can't ALWAYS immediately start 2/2 upgrades. If you could every game, then I would agree with you. Too many variables y0. Great scott.
Sup son? Timings are pretty good and important at high level I heard :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Okay... If you saved up, the upgrades will come at the exact same time. The upgrades will only come earlier assuming you don't have enough when the previous upgrade finishes (i.e. you will be able to afford it quicker because your income will give you the amount of money you need sooner because it is lower).
But the real question is, how on earth do those few seconds to mine some minerals and gas at that point of the game really matter? I highly doubt it suddenly rocks the earth with a new broken 2/2 or 3/3 timing that terran or zerg could not hold off unless they had a few more seconds to prepare.
I'm pretty sure most people understand what you're saying, they're just saying that it's quite insignificant.
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Norway28929 Posts
okay so in between say, 5% and 50% of games depending on skill level (where most competitive players should find themselves closer to 5) 2 2 will be inbetween 0 and 6 seconds faster depending on how much additional gas and minerals they had to mine. you take this information and deduce that blizz is gonna have to revert the forge change because p will manage to time their 2-2 in a way that'll lead to protoss dominance? okay..
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My only complaint is that toss now has cheaper upgrades that affect two tech levels @@
If terran had ship/mech in one, or bio/mech in one
that would be awesome
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On November 09 2011 10:38 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money.. My logic is assuming no one is perfect...you can't ALWAYS immediately start 2/2 upgrades. If you could every game, then I would agree with you. Too many variables y0. Great scott.
Any decent pro player (maybe a bit higher level than you so you don't understand?) going for a 2/2 push/getting early upgrades/doinganybuildwhereupgradesmatter will ALWAYS immediately start 2/2 upgrades after 1/1 finishes.
your logic is makes me lol
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Yeh, figured it out, Avilo is having fun with us  The picture of the time machine car 100% confirms it.
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On November 09 2011 10:30 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I don't remember the last time I saw a blog thread that should be closed because it was just plain misguided.
1. Balance whine
2. Doesn't understand that with Level 1 upgrades not being cheaper/ faster, Level 2 upgrades won't come any faster.
3. Even if immediate upgrades were 50 resources cheaper, they would only come about 5 seconds sooner (read as: negligible).
4. Isn't avilo not someone to be taken seriously? 1) My thread and OP had zero balance whine in it at all, if you perceived that then that's some perception you have and is related to your own internal balance whinining. Read the OP - zero balance whine. 2) Holy fucking shit. You're one of "them." This blog post relates to a poster such as yourself! I am assuming you did go to elementary school or the equivalent for whatever country your from. Level 2 upgrades cost less money. Level 3 upgrades cost less money. You will be able to afford them earlier than you would pre-patch, it's not fucking rocket science. You will have the ability to save up those resources and pay them at an earlier point in the game b ecause they cost less fucking money!3) Not necessarily. Because of the high cost of the level 2/3 upgrades across all races, there are moments in games where decisions will be made to either save up that entire sum of money to research the upgrades or not to, and with cheaper upgrades, there will more often be times where you will be able to afford purchasing these upgrades because they COST LESS MONEY. 4) Sup hater. Hater gonna hate.
On November 09 2011 10:38 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:34 Liquid`Drone wrote:
dude, you can't pay them earlier than you could have in an earlier patch because you can't start 2 2 before 1 1 finishes and 1 1 does not finish any earlier. the only way your logic works is if protoss players were currently in the habit of not starting 2-2 immediately after 1-1 finished because they hadn't saved up money.. My logic is assuming no one is perfect...you can't ALWAYS immediately start 2/2 upgrades. If you could every game, then I would agree with you. Too many variables y0. Great scott.
If you're looking to hit an upgrade timing attack, having enough money for your upgrades takes priority over everything else anyway. This means that you're going to make sure you have enough money to start your Level 2 upgrades immediately, so the 50 extra (or fewer) resources is irrelevant, because you've been stocking up anyway. You can decide half a minute before Level 1 finishes to not make a complete round of units, so that you'll have enough money for upgrades. This is the reason why people start talking about the extra unit or two truly being the only advantage. You will always have enough money for Level 2 if you care enough about your upgrades, regardless of this upgrade cost buff.
If you're not looking to hit an upgrade timing attack, then upgrades aren't going to come out any quicker for you either, because you have no interest in upgrading as fast as possible anyway. You just upgrade whenever you're floating resources, or whenever you feel like it. It's a non-issue here.
Either way (these options are dichotomous), you're not getting the upgrades faster.
I know what your next blog is going to be:
+ Show Spoiler +But EMP *doesn't actually kill* units!
You might as well start on that one now.
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hey guys avilo goes mech vs protoss...I'd prolly get mad too.
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Admit it avilo, you didnt think this through the way you should have . You are blindly assuming that protoss players dont start 2/2 right after 1/1 currently (which they do), and that being able to start it 10seconds earlier is game breaking...If anything you seem like the one thats clueless.
1/1 WILL ALWAYS FINISH AT THE SAME TIME AS PREPATCH.
2/2 IS 99% OF THE TIME STARTED RIGHT AFTER 1/1 FINISHES IN PREPATCH (gatored confirms this as an amazing pvt player. He states you already have the money to start 2/2 immediately after 1/1 prepatch)
The only difference is that you are able to add 150/150 towards your army due to 2/2 being less costly.
EDIT: If your meta-blogging us, then nice job 
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For some reasons I am humming "Man on the moon" by REM while reading this blog.
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For anyone genuinely confused, it's a matter of which model best describes the in-game experience.
So the time model - you can get them sooner - assumes that when 1/1 finishes, you will have 0 minerals and 0 gas, and since you now only need to wait until 150/150 rather than 175/175 per upgrade, you will be able to start your upgrades sooner.
The 'extra stuff' model assumes that when 1/1 finishes you will have enough resources to immediately start researching 2/2. Because you now only need 150/150 rather than 175/175 per upgrade, you don't have to ensure you've stockpiled as many resources, so therefore you can spend that 50/50 on other things (making a stalker instead of a zealot, for example).
So take whichever model you think makes the best assumptions about the game, and use that to work out how the change affects you or your opponents. I'd suggest the 'extra stuff' model is much more likely to be closer to the truth.
And now I'm done, having been successfully trolled :D
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Think Terran upgrades need to be faster so that your TvT's might possibly be able to end like 5 mins earlier? Isn't the lower upgrade cost for Protoss negatively affecting your usual style of play?
+ Show Spoiler +
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Canada18410 Posts
Your stim pack analogy makes zero sense and doesn't really clear anything up compared to simply saying that cheaper forge upgrades allow for faster upgrades lol.
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The reason most people don't catch Avilo's satire is because he really is the type to complain about asinine things. Who remembers his argument with ret?
OP would have been so much more effective if a mannered player made it.
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