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On October 30 2011 10:07 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 09:57 turdburgler wrote:On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:
milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport. No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport. but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is. You might want to look up the definiton of sport, there's nothing in there about any audience at all.
stop being pedantic. no one is talking about the literal meaning of the words. they are talking about the ability for a game to grow in size and recognition allowing it to survive in a competitive way.
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Did every one ignore NaDa? "You should be proud of the fact that you are the first generation of SC2 progamers. And should act like so and lead the way" People like wheat, Incontrol and TB arent setting a good example, speaking out and hurting a loved member of the community, causing thme to leave. They are not acting responsibly and like the first generation of pro gamers should, not leading the way. Yes, milkis was opinionated, but we all are.
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Thanks for everything Milkis ! Good luck in your future endeavours - you seem to have the heart at the right place.
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On October 30 2011 10:14 Roarzz wrote: Did every one ignore NaDa? "You should be proud of the fact that you are the first generation of SC2 progamers. And should act like so and lead the way" People like wheat, Incontrol and TB arent setting a good example, speaking out and hurting a loved member of the community, causing thme to leave. They are not acting responsibly and like the first generation of pro gamers should, not leading the way. Yes, milkis was opinionated, but we all are. And you think other, better known, people in the scene aren't opinionated? They just know not to post shit that would cause backlash if they're too sensitive to take it.
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Everytime I read something like this an old saying comes to mind
"If Jesus listened to his critics, he would have stuck with carpentry"
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On October 30 2011 10:17 accordion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:14 Roarzz wrote: Did every one ignore NaDa? "You should be proud of the fact that you are the first generation of SC2 progamers. And should act like so and lead the way" People like wheat, Incontrol and TB arent setting a good example, speaking out and hurting a loved member of the community, causing thme to leave. They are not acting responsibly and like the first generation of pro gamers should, not leading the way. Yes, milkis was opinionated, but we all are. And you think other, better known, people in the scene aren't opinionated? They just know not to post shit that would cause backlash if they're too sensitive to take it. Backlash is to be expected from fans but the outburst from DJ Wheat was irresponsible as a public figure imo.
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GG Milkis, GG.
Not really, we know you'll be back tomorrow.
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On October 30 2011 10:13 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:07 Broodwurst wrote:On October 30 2011 09:57 turdburgler wrote:On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:
milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport. No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport. but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is. You might want to look up the definiton of sport, there's nothing in there about any audience at all. stop being pedantic. no one is talking about the literal meaning of the words. they are talking about the ability for a game to grow in size and recognition allowing it to survive in a competitive way.
No, that's what you're talking about (now). Being the one game that might be able to push itself (and esports as a whole) further into the mainstream doesn't make other esports less of an esport. Be proud and happy about your game being that popular but don't shit on other ones that may run on a smaller scale.
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On October 30 2011 09:01 wats0n wrote: Your translation of SC2 progamer tweets has had some interesting consequences.
I've been too lazy to do it but I wanted to find where you translated something from MVP talking about 1/1/1 and how it should be illegal. I wanted to search for instances of the phase "1/1/1" (or other variations) on TL before your tweet and then instances after to show the snowball effect of rumors and mob mentality.
Specifically regarding 1/1/1 that build has been around since the beta. Tasteless has been joking about it on GOM since the beta and calls it the "Tasteless build." It was nothing new but it was interesting to see the furor that developed post tweet. Alas I never looked into it to confirm.
Was also interesting how your "work" regarding IdrA has seeped into the scene. You're the source of the "kimchi" popularization and you relate slanted stories to LXP gamers coming for MLG and competing against IdrA. It's interesting just how much sabotage you seem capable of, but again I didn't flesh this out.
Anyway, your bias was evident early on and you skated by because mob mentality has the IQ of a neanderthal. Individuals with a brain can see how wrong you were on the EG Puma situation. It's incredibly offensive the stance you took for a simple player transaction involving a western team yet you never uttered a word before that when TSL's Coach Lee pilfered his entire team from fOu and oGs. Or after the EG "scandal" when Slayers raided ZeNex.
It's actually a good thing that you are stepping down because your twitter has way too much negative influence and you wielded power unjustly. I'm just ecstatic and amazed that you would hoist yourself on your own pitard and remove yourself because I thought you would be a cancerous existence that I would have to stomach with no end in sight.
Aye, it can't possibly be that I'm the one who is biased or ignorant. Any one who disagrees with me deserves to be met with extremely inappropriate insult and be banished from the face of Internet to never voice their opinion ever again. /sarcasm
I don't want trash on the r/starcraft community. They'd done some good things. But this whole incident is just beyond stupid. Milkis probably has done more to eSport than 90% of the r/starcraft user combined. Yet everyone is suddenly jumping on the bandwagon and trashing everything he had done is just because he has dissenting opinion. Nevermind that he was honest and upfront about his opinion being biased and "elitist". Nevermind that he is providing an opportunity for all of us to learn more about BW and the surrounding culture in S. Korea.
This man isn't doing any of this out of money or fame (iNcontroL, TB, etc.). He simply has passion. He simply wants the community to understand, the way he does, why BW is so big in Korea and why it is so different from all the other eSport. djWheat could've easily done the same for Quake or Street Fighter or whatever but no. He had to wrote a totally sentimental response that argues nothing but semantics, and does nothing but to rile up the community. And everyone just went with it instead of, you know, take the opportunity to actually learn, and understand.
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On October 30 2011 10:18 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:17 accordion wrote:On October 30 2011 10:14 Roarzz wrote: Did every one ignore NaDa? "You should be proud of the fact that you are the first generation of SC2 progamers. And should act like so and lead the way" People like wheat, Incontrol and TB arent setting a good example, speaking out and hurting a loved member of the community, causing thme to leave. They are not acting responsibly and like the first generation of pro gamers should, not leading the way. Yes, milkis was opinionated, but we all are. And you think other, better known, people in the scene aren't opinionated? They just know not to post shit that would cause backlash if they're too sensitive to take it. Backlash is to be expected from fans but the outburst from DJ Wheat was irresponsible as a public figure imo.
Exactly.
People are saying Milkis thin-skinned but DJWheat's response was just as bad, if not worse.
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On October 30 2011 01:07 Chill wrote: my only thought reading this was "lol"
dont worry milkis, your daddy loves you. see you tomorrow. Hard to disagree.
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On October 30 2011 01:00 Milkis wrote: I'm Done.
It's kind of a hard decision to make, to cut it all off and just leave. But I've spent thinking about it over the night and honestly I can't think of what would ever motivate me to do anything within this sphere of "eSports" anymore.
I'll be honest. I never expected people to agree with my opinion on what makes something an eSport or not. I've been quite honest about how my opinion is elitist, and I fully expected disagreement over the definition. Of course, looking at some of the reactions did make me realize that yes, I should have been more careful about how I phrased it. I obviously didn't mean to "shit" on other games as a competitive game, but I could see why people would see it in that way.
But does all this mean that any of you have the right to call me retarded? an idiot? I couldn't care less about what you considered my opinion. What I care about is the comments that suddenly popped up. Apparently, suddenly, I'm a terrible translator. Everything is a fluke. There are suddenly no place in eSports for people like me.
You know, let me tell you this. I never wanted to do live translation to begin with. Deciding to help out at MLG Columbus took a pretty big decision because live translation was absolutely the last thing I wanted to do. And yet MLG looked like they needed someone so I jumped on board. I asked Lee if I absolutely had to and he said it was expected for me to. So I did it.
Call me "nervous" whenever I go on stage but it's more exhaustion than anything else considering I'm terrible at taking care of myself at MLGs because I always run around so much and I have trouble putting myself before other things that need to be done. One of the reasons why I decided not to go to Providence (and apparently, it was the correct decision) was because I looked at myself in a mirror during the event at Orlando and I looked pretty much dead. I look nervous? No, I'm fucking exhausted.
It's kind of shitty when people start criticizing you over shit like this. "OH HES SUCH A BAD TRANSLATOR HE IS ALWAYS SO NERVOUS". Or someone to say "My KR friend says X" or "X is better". Right.
And then comes the criticism of my written work. Suddenly, everything I do is shit. Everything I've done is absolute shit. And people start agreeing with it because you disagree with my opinion?
You want to know why I bothered doing anything for the community? Because I always thought the community deserved more. I never wanted to be popular nor did I want attention (although I guess I did enjoy it, but it's not something I ever wanted). It's the last thing I wanted. All I wanted to do was bring you guys good content, and I always just wanted the means to do so. I wanted to do a lot of nice things for the community because I was capable of doing it and seeing you guys appreciate the content was always good enough. Why else would I take on any of these extra works, or brainstorm a ton of new things I could do for the community? Sadly, none of these will come to fruition anymore but I guess it doesn't even matter.
I've never been so absolutely demotivated in my life. It's kind of hilarious how people can be. All over a single opinion. A single opinion that no one even bothered reading because everyone started putting words in my mouth and then attacking me personally. And then giving me lectures.
I'm done. I guess it's good riddance for all of you.
WTF Milkis ?
Let me see this clear.
You get defeated by internet trolls ???
pls, relax, go early to bed tonight, have a nice halloween and think about this in a cool mod.
Don't let us beg u pls, it would be patethic...
Cheer up !
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I hope you're not leaving TL Milkis, I really like your translation
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On October 30 2011 10:28 ppdealer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:18 Taku wrote:On October 30 2011 10:17 accordion wrote:On October 30 2011 10:14 Roarzz wrote: Did every one ignore NaDa? "You should be proud of the fact that you are the first generation of SC2 progamers. And should act like so and lead the way" People like wheat, Incontrol and TB arent setting a good example, speaking out and hurting a loved member of the community, causing thme to leave. They are not acting responsibly and like the first generation of pro gamers should, not leading the way. Yes, milkis was opinionated, but we all are. And you think other, better known, people in the scene aren't opinionated? They just know not to post shit that would cause backlash if they're too sensitive to take it. Backlash is to be expected from fans but the outburst from DJ Wheat was irresponsible as a public figure imo. Exactly. People are saying Milkis thin-skinned but DJWheat's response was just as bad, if not worse.
It wasn't bad, it was passionate. From a person who've been in eSport for the last decade Milkis post was highly offensive, and insulting. And if you look at it objectively he more or less spit the people like djWHEAT in the face.
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wow, i missed quite a lot,where did those haters come from :/ ?! Please don't quit, those people are everywhere. If u quit that only means u will face them at other places. you always seemed to be having fun, sad to hear you were having a hard time . like ur tweets too ... anyway, if ur leaving let me send u best wishes and good luck in the future.
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On October 30 2011 09:01 wats0n wrote: Your translation of SC2 progamer tweets has had some interesting consequences.
I've been too lazy to do it but I wanted to find where you translated something from MVP talking about 1/1/1 and how it should be illegal. I wanted to search for instances of the phase "1/1/1" (or other variations) on TL before your tweet and then instances after to show the snowball effect of rumors and mob mentality.
Specifically regarding 1/1/1 that build has been around since the beta. Tasteless has been joking about it on GOM since the beta and calls it the "Tasteless build." It was nothing new but it was interesting to see the furor that developed post tweet. Alas I never looked into it to confirm.
Was also interesting how your "work" regarding IdrA has seeped into the scene. You're the source of the "kimchi" popularization and you relate slanted stories to LXP gamers coming for MLG and competing against IdrA. It's interesting just how much sabotage you seem capable of, but again I didn't flesh this out.
Anyway, your bias was evident early on and you skated by because mob mentality has the IQ of a neanderthal. Individuals with a brain can see how wrong you were on the EG Puma situation. It's incredibly offensive the stance you took for a simple player transaction involving a western team yet you never uttered a word before that when TSL's Coach Lee pilfered his entire team from fOu and oGs. Or after the EG "scandal" when Slayers raided ZeNex.
It's actually a good thing that you are stepping down because your twitter has way too much negative influence and you wielded power unjustly. I'm just ecstatic and amazed that you would hoist yourself on your own pitard and remove yourself because I thought you would be a cancerous existence that I would have to stomach with no end in sight.
All this business about the bias and stuff was spot on.
at any rate, I will miss the constant freakouts that come with Milkis not being able to handle criticism of any kind! See you in a few weeks!
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On October 30 2011 01:00 Milkis wrote: I never wanted to be popular nor did I want attention. It's the last thing I wanted.
I dunno what else this blog post is, man. To say "good riddance" to the community that gave you a voice in the first place seems a little bit odd.
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Err... You post an article you say is gonna be contested, and when people give you negative feedback on said article you delete your twitter/reddit account and "quit the scene"... The fuck? Did you not see a negative response ever happening? And why the fuck don't you just stand for what you said and ignore the haters? I mean, isn't that internet etiuquette 101, especially when dealing with asbergerkids/SC fans? :/
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