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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote: milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport. No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote: No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation. | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lto0f/goodbye_sc2/ | ||
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Roarzz
United Kingdom16 Posts
Why did you do this...Now Destiny is quitting too. Come now, return to us before this gets out of hand and avilo leaves us too T_T. This better be a troll, you do know he was joking right? -.- | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote: No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. I don't think esport has any definition (if there is, show it to me please). So if for Milkis (or any other guy) esport means being on tv, players having huge salaries, being watched by millions of people... then yes, bw is the only true esport. If you think that just having tournaments with prizepool is sufficient to be an esport, then well it's your opinion, nobody can argue with it if there is no proper definition. It's the reason why Milkis called his post "elitist" in the first place. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote: No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport. no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport. but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:48 Taku wrote: It's more the lack of professionalism, especially from some prominent community members. Take a look at actual sports, if a person on a panel or something says something really controversial of course the average person is probably going to flame/cuss him out but people in other shows/panels who work in the field don't air their opinions in public like that. The fact that other people who represent the community are taking it completely personally. I just think it reflects bad on the starcraft community as a whole when they display such a lack of professionalism. Also I wonder how badly Korea is lulzing at how melodramatic the foreign scene is. Edit: Also 'us bw guys' != 'I represent the bw community' I'd think... So your definition of a sport is "competition where community figures don't dare voicing their opinion out of fear of sounding unprofessional". It's certainly the first time I heard that one. | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:48 Xxio wrote: Basically, people are scared to form their own opinions and meekly follow figures like Wheat. Half of the comments between here and Reddit are just a rehash. Because people happen to agree with Wheat, that means they're too afraid to make up their own opinions, and their comments are just "rehashes"? :\ That sounds way too much like brushing off the reality that many, many people are in consensus about their opinions of Milkis' article. | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:52 Taku wrote: Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation. Well it was clearly said "BW is the only esport" which is the only thing i disagreed with.  | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:58 coddan wrote: So your definition of a sport is "competition where community figures don't dare voicing their opinion out of fear of sounding unprofessional". It's certainly the first time I heard that one. Incorrect, you don't see commentators of other sports throwing mud the way commentators and other community notables for SCII did just recently. I think they said things they really shouldn't have publicly because for better or worse they are people of influence and you get shitstorms like this that just look bad on everyone at the end. Professionalism doesn't involve ad hominem attacks on the person, if you have a problem with their argument go after it, not the person who made it. Edit: On October 30 2011 10:01 Broodwurst wrote: Well it was clearly said "BW is the only esport" which is the only thing i disagreed with. Haha fair enough, although I saw it as more "BW is the only esport *because* of x, y, and z." I don't see why there has to be all this mud slinging in response to a thought out and reasoned opinion =\ | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:52 Taku wrote: Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation. No, his comments about SC2 were that it's the only other game that could possibly become an e-sport, aside from BW, which has already reached that arbitrary "level". Everything else is, in Milkis' view, not an e-sport. That's what a lot of people are pissed off about, including guys like DJWheat. | ||
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Hamzilla
United States143 Posts
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foo
Australia109 Posts
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:57 turdburgler wrote: no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport. but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is. You might want to look up the definiton of sport, there's nothing in there about any audience at all. Do you even realize how many competitive sports there are that don't get the full professional treatment? I'd like to name female soccer as an example where most players need to have a normal job too but there'll probably be some idiots claiming that "it's only women lol", yet they have leagues, international championships and all that. | ||
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LunaSaint
United Kingdom620 Posts
I can really sympathise with the breakdown from all the pressure and work Milkis has been through. But to go out like this is really disappointing, considering how much more support I've seen for him than criticism. He's been saying things like this on twitter for a while, so I can't say this entirely surprises me. Regardless, it's the loss of an important and hardworking figure in esports. | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On October 30 2011 09:55 Roarzz wrote: This better be a troll, you do know he was joking right? -.- Of course  I mean I mentioned avilo in a 'genuine player' kind of way...obvious troll is obvious. | ||
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Bango
United States106 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
ROFL milkis power is STRONG | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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