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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 00:51:19
October 30 2011 00:50 GMT
#1081
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
October 30 2011 00:52 GMT
#1082
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.

Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
October 30 2011 00:53 GMT
#1083
Why did you do this...Now Destiny is quitting too. Come now, return to us before this gets out of hand and avilo leaves us too T_T.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lto0f/goodbye_sc2/
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Roarzz
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom16 Posts
October 30 2011 00:55 GMT
#1084
Why did you do this...Now Destiny is quitting too. Come now, return to us before this gets out of hand and avilo leaves us too T_T.


This better be a troll, you do know he was joking right? -.-
HerO-Sage-Oz-Creator
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 30 2011 00:56 GMT
#1085
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.


I don't think esport has any definition (if there is, show it to me please). So if for Milkis (or any other guy) esport means being on tv, players having huge salaries, being watched by millions of people... then yes, bw is the only true esport.

If you think that just having tournaments with prizepool is sufficient to be an esport, then well it's your opinion, nobody can argue with it if there is no proper definition.

It's the reason why Milkis called his post "elitist" in the first place.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 30 2011 00:57 GMT
#1086
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.



no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport.

but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
October 30 2011 00:58 GMT
#1087
On October 30 2011 09:48 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:43 coddan wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:37 Taku wrote:
Sorry that the SCII community doesn't appreciate you but us BW guys still want you D: Also at the risk of getting flamed, the more you guys ostracize him the more you guys are proving him right that SC2 isn't an esport yo.

Yes. People get mad that some famous ignorant guy says Brood War is the only esport is proof he's right. Congratulations on your flawless logic.

It's more the lack of professionalism, especially from some prominent community members. Take a look at actual sports, if a person on a panel or something says something really controversial of course the average person is probably going to flame/cuss him out but people in other shows/panels who work in the field don't air their opinions in public like that. The fact that other people who represent the community are taking it completely personally. I just think it reflects bad on the starcraft community as a whole when they display such a lack of professionalism. Also I wonder how badly Korea is lulzing at how melodramatic the foreign scene is.
Edit: Also 'us bw guys' != 'I represent the bw community' I'd think...

So your definition of a sport is "competition where community figures don't dare voicing their opinion out of fear of sounding unprofessional".

It's certainly the first time I heard that one.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 30 2011 00:58 GMT
#1088
On October 30 2011 09:48 Xxio wrote:
Basically, people are scared to form their own opinions and meekly follow figures like Wheat. Half of the comments between here and Reddit are just a rehash.

Because people happen to agree with Wheat, that means they're too afraid to make up their own opinions, and their comments are just "rehashes"? :\ That sounds way too much like brushing off the reality that many, many people are in consensus about their opinions of Milkis' article.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
jupidar
Profile Joined December 2010
United States229 Posts
October 30 2011 01:00 GMT
#1089
Without Western eSports pre-StarCraft 2 SC2 wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as it is (in terms of tournaments). IEM, MLG, DreamHack, etc, were all pushing eSports long before SC2...
Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
October 30 2011 01:01 GMT
#1090
On October 30 2011 09:52 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.

Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation.


Well it was clearly said "BW is the only esport" which is the only thing i disagreed with.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 01:03:53
October 30 2011 01:02 GMT
#1091
On October 30 2011 09:58 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:48 Taku wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:43 coddan wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:37 Taku wrote:
Sorry that the SCII community doesn't appreciate you but us BW guys still want you D: Also at the risk of getting flamed, the more you guys ostracize him the more you guys are proving him right that SC2 isn't an esport yo.

Yes. People get mad that some famous ignorant guy says Brood War is the only esport is proof he's right. Congratulations on your flawless logic.

It's more the lack of professionalism, especially from some prominent community members. Take a look at actual sports, if a person on a panel or something says something really controversial of course the average person is probably going to flame/cuss him out but people in other shows/panels who work in the field don't air their opinions in public like that. The fact that other people who represent the community are taking it completely personally. I just think it reflects bad on the starcraft community as a whole when they display such a lack of professionalism. Also I wonder how badly Korea is lulzing at how melodramatic the foreign scene is.
Edit: Also 'us bw guys' != 'I represent the bw community' I'd think...

So your definition of a sport is "competition where community figures don't dare voicing their opinion out of fear of sounding unprofessional".

It's certainly the first time I heard that one.

Incorrect, you don't see commentators of other sports throwing mud the way commentators and other community notables for SCII did just recently. I think they said things they really shouldn't have publicly because for better or worse they are people of influence and you get shitstorms like this that just look bad on everyone at the end. Professionalism doesn't involve ad hominem attacks on the person, if you have a problem with their argument go after it, not the person who made it.

Edit:
On October 30 2011 10:01 Broodwurst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:52 Taku wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.

Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation.


Well it was clearly said "BW is the only esport" which is the only thing i disagreed with.

Haha fair enough, although I saw it as more "BW is the only esport *because* of x, y, and z." I don't see why there has to be all this mud slinging in response to a thought out and reasoned opinion =\
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
October 30 2011 01:03 GMT
#1092
On October 30 2011 09:52 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.

Not saying you in particular but I feel his post is getting misconstrued by a lot of people. I thought his post was about how BW has an extremely high level of professionalism that's been established overtime with many skilled people involved, and SCII doesn't have it yet. Just my interpretation.

No, his comments about SC2 were that it's the only other game that could possibly become an e-sport, aside from BW, which has already reached that arbitrary "level". Everything else is, in Milkis' view, not an e-sport. That's what a lot of people are pissed off about, including guys like DJWheat.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Hamzilla
Profile Joined April 2011
United States143 Posts
October 30 2011 01:03 GMT
#1093
this guy definitely receives more positive feedback than negative. wtf.
nerd
foo
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia109 Posts
October 30 2011 01:06 GMT
#1094
lol

User was warned for this post
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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 01:14:00
October 30 2011 01:07 GMT
#1095
On October 30 2011 09:57 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 09:50 Broodwurst wrote:
On October 30 2011 09:36 turdburgler wrote:

milkis's post on reddit was right, broodwar is the only esport.


No it's not. It's an elitist opinion of what esports should be to put your favourite game about everything else. That's like saying e.g. football reached a bigger audience (first) so MMA isn't a sport.



no its not. its like saying that footballs professional training and media management, large audience and representation and control at a international level by a governing body with real power make it a sport.

but mudwrestling although has a popular niche is just 2 girls in bikinis making soft core porn, no matter how much fun it is.


You might want to look up the definiton of sport, there's nothing in there about any audience at all.
Do you even realize how many competitive sports there are that don't get the full professional treatment? I'd like to name female soccer as an example where most players need to have a normal job too but there'll probably be some idiots claiming that "it's only women lol", yet they have leagues, international championships and all that.
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
LunaSaint
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom620 Posts
October 30 2011 01:08 GMT
#1096
As someone who doesn't enjoy the pressure of being in charge or in the limelight, I can appreciate the pressure from being dragged into the thick of it and being totally vulnerable.
I can really sympathise with the breakdown from all the pressure and work Milkis has been through.

But to go out like this is really disappointing, considering how much more support I've seen for him than criticism. He's been saying things like this on twitter for a while, so I can't say this entirely surprises me.

Regardless, it's the loss of an important and hardworking figure in esports.
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
October 30 2011 01:08 GMT
#1097
On October 30 2011 09:55 Roarzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why did you do this...Now Destiny is quitting too. Come now, return to us before this gets out of hand and avilo leaves us too T_T.


This better be a troll, you do know he was joking right? -.-



Of course I mean I mentioned avilo in a 'genuine player' kind of way...obvious troll is obvious.
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Bango
Profile Joined April 2011
United States106 Posts
October 30 2011 01:09 GMT
#1098
milkis you are the best translator in eSports!! screw they other guys D:<<<<!!!!
ello x]
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 01:10:07
October 30 2011 01:09 GMT
#1099
1k replies 160k views in half a day

ROFL milkis power is STRONG
why so 진지해?
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 30 2011 01:10 GMT
#1100
As much as people are saying that it is simply a vocal minority rearing its ugly head, you have to wonder why image macros making fun of the situation are at the top of reddit. Doesn't help that destiny is joining the fun. If people actually cared about Milkis, those things would not be on top of reddit. When people as awesome as Milkis are driven out by hatred and abusiveness, just because he made an opinion which people disagreed with (djwheat didn't help here), you have to wonder why anyone outside of starcraft would want to join us.
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