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Why is it so clear to you all (nearly) that sandroba is town? Think about this:
He gets a day 1 free pass. His suspects are at night 1 mostly lurkers. Then he states that all the lynches were terrible (which is true) to get much of town credit. However i don't understand either, why noone did see the Ciryandor/prplhz case as it was after the claim. But when I came back and read the thread, it was obvious. All ppl he claimed obvious town are now dead (minus prp, and he was protected).
Then his case about DrH. First he says: "I think docH may be mafia but I'm more curious about chaoser right now."
After some time it goes to: "DocH I really can't tell"
And last: "I'm trying to decide who to lynch amongst jackal/igrok/ggq/on/palmar."
Did you miss DrH there? Even after prp's suspicious post about DrH (and he was confirmed town later). After that DrH is modkilled and flips Sauron lol.
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Actually, I want you to all think yourself at the position sandroba was @ night 1. For me it's kinda easy, cos I was nearly at the same position. I was cut off internet, but at least I had to do something day 1.
I'm not saying you are 100% mafia, but this is a scenario I find interesting too. All I'm saying don't give him another free pass (to town) just becouse he's play was very pro town night 1. I could have done the same, even though I'm terrible.
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Erandorr worked because it was less bad a bandwagon than the others, which has now become apparent. DrH should really have been it, but I wasn't around to push them buttons. I never asked whom you have a town read on, giving that away would be incredibly stupid. I asked if you actually had a town read on someone, (the alternative being you don't have a town read on anyone). I was basically provoking you into start thinking about townies you can trust.
But I know it's extremely hard to work with you're stubborn and have really bad reads. I just hope that you'll be able to figure out what to do if you actually are the ring bearer. And I hope our medics understand that you're a great target tonight too.
In any case, it's time to lynch mafia.
##Vote iGrok
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kitaman27
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Err sorry chaos. Hope to see you around again in the future.
I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone.
syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity.
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I'd be fine with lynching syllo too.
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On September 20 2011 22:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Err sorry chaos. Hope to see you around again in the future.
I may have been wrong, but at least I'm trying to make a case towards someone.
syllo, GGQ, supersoft, Vain, JeeJee, GreYMisT, rayn, cyber, iGrok, heist, Drazerk, Pryro....its as if they are all dropping by to make a post or two, maybe pushing a lynch half heartedly and then not posting again for another 12 hours or until someone brings them up. It's really hard to distinguish where one stands from another with their current activity.
I was about to push a lynch DrH actively day 2, but now it's irrelevant. You can chech my post at the beginning of day 2, where I told my main targets. I will focus on reading chaosers and sandrobas posts carefully today, and I have some other suspicions too. Sandroba was @ that list in the beginning of day 2, and my suspicions went up cos of DrH flip.
Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)?
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I meant to say sandroba wasn't on the list, but i thought it (what i posted a couple of minutes ago). I just wanted to see more post from him before I said anything, and the "DrH dropping silently dropping away from his list" really made me think more about it.
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well in that case, thanks for subtly trying to manipulate me into thinking. that couldn't possibly backfire, and if it does it's because i'm thick and stubborn. either you didn't think this through or you're looking for the ring. i'm gonna go with the first one since that seems more likely considering the effort you've put into this game so far.
that said i like the iGrok pressure
##Vote: iGrok
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On September 20 2011 17:30 iGrok wrote:
Give me the ring.
Don't even start.
Palmar - What exactly were you trying to prove with your day 1 BS?
Prplhz - Were you implying before about your hit that it came from a vig? If you were why do you think that? I'd guess if a vig shot he shot Bugs.
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Vain needs to say something soon, he was really wishy washy day1, and didnt really say much in the few posts he had. What happened to all the people day1 who said we need to take a closer look at vain?
##Vote Vain
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Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.
Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia?
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This is why I suspect chaoser:
On September 18 2011 03:25 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote:
Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on.
I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right.
But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So,
##Vote Drazerk Like radfield said, let's lynch scum not for info. What suspicions do you have? What do you think about prplhz? This is your first post and it leaves much to be desired. Guys, wherebugsgo, trancestorm, and drazrek are horrible lynches. They're not hiding behind anything. They are being very open and contributing, if they really are scum, as long as they keep contributing like they are now, we WILL figure it out.' I already talked about WBG and trance, and for drazerk mafia generally don't join votes so early on, especially a vote on one as silly as greyjoy's. They rather point out how ridiculous it is and try to get town cred through seeming "correct". I said I leaned townie on drh and drazrek which isn't that intense a statement so I don't understand why jcarlsoniv finds it such a large leap. Will be keeping an eye on you. For the time being I hope people can see why prphlz is acting scummy and vote him over all the "easy targets".
He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later.
On September 19 2011 07:32 chaoser wrote:
Radfield, I'm all for voting eraddorr off especially given his "wrong thread" lie. I still however think prplhz is mafia. You once said "I agree 100%". Was wondering what you opinion on him now is.
It wasn't a lie.
On September 20 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
Woe is my life as I have been shot. Thankfully I am not dead. Don't worry though shooter, I have your bullet and I hope to return the favor. I always repay my debts.
I don't think he was shot, though, I might be wrong.
On September 20 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote:
Although before I leave..
People you should trust:
- Dr. H
- TranceStorm
- prplhz
- Navillus (be skeptical, but I highly doubt he's scum)
Watch out for Radfield Add sandroba to that list of likely to be townie. He was the only person to point out and call me out on the prphlz/ciryandor connection that I missed.
Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious.
On September 20 2011 15:13 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On September 18 2011 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is on prplhz, at least now. Let's c if anything new comes up before day ends.
##vote prplhz Contributed nothing this game so far now just announcing a sheep vote. Explain why. Why is prplhz more convincing than other candidates? What do you think about the gollum/ring discussion? raynpelikoneet is probably town. Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency. Supersoft gets some town cred from this post. Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Erandor and supersoft had marginally good cases against them but played less scummily than you. You're either SK or scum and I never implied you couldn't be scum so honestly i don't even see you rpoint Even more from this one. That's it for now, and I'll be busy for the next day but people should read over DrH's previous posts and note people that he talks about but never responds to him. Mafia like to not be tied to each other so people who are directly avoiding mentioning each other or only have the slightest of mentions.
He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF?
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I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.
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On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.
Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia?
look no further than close casket mafia.
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On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
This shit sucks, I thought I made enough posts, my bad guys.
And DrH dying sucks, because it means I can't just tunnel him today, I actually need to find another scum today.
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo.
These are the things I get from this post:
1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game.
2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough.
3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum.
On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:
No don't worry about it. I'm just pointing out something that is a fact, but it is absolutely not necessary for you guys to see it right now, it'll come later.
Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking.
On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it.
Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town.
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On September 20 2011 23:09 Jackal58 wrote:Don't even start. Palmar - What exactly were you trying to prove with your day 1 BS? Prplhz - Were you implying before about your hit that it came from a vig? If you were why do you think that? I'd guess if a vig shot he shot Bugs.
Prove? what?
I was honest, I had a ton of shit going on over the weekend so I really simply couldn't be arsed reading the thread. It's no big deal though, you guys only derpd as much as expected.
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The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.
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On September 20 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.
Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia? look no further than close casket mafia.
Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard
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lol, watch me give a shit jcarl.
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On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.
Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia? look no further than close casket mafia. Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard
Just look at his day 1 play. Even as no-flip it reeked of scum (sadly I was a noob at the time and didn't push my read). This time around he just feels like town-hero.
You don't though!
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On September 20 2011 23:24 Palmar wrote:
lol, watch me give a shit jcarl.
Oh, well in that case, you certainly won't mind if you earn my vote.
##vote Palmar
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