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Funtime is over, start behaving in here. You all know the rules and this isn't the place for some kind of comments or discussion. Keep it to the games and keep balance, the casters and meta discussions out of here.
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On September 19 2011 16:02 babysimba wrote:
How is 2 base colo the counter to 2 base infestors. All zerg needs to do is trade lings for toss army while they retain their infestors and drone up after downsizing the toss army. Finishing blow would be just a big a-move while neuraling colo
The proper way is to go ht tech, play defensively and get a 3rd. Good building placements and cannons to reduce lings surface area before storm is up, archons if needed. Feedbacks with the help of obs' sight. Yes i know dual sight is really bad for sim-city, but 2 base colo is seriously the worse choice out of the 2.
Really, where does this genius information come from? At which point of that game would MC have ever been in a position to take a third? How well would those templar work if Monster just masses roaches while denying the third? Colossi take out both lings and infestors, the problem is that it opens you up to being pinned down by mutas and unable to do anything on garbage maps like Dual Sight where taking a third is impossible.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 19 2011 15:52 Cyrak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:44 eviltomahawk wrote:Protoss needs a  HerO. With the hair of Bisu and possibly the hair of Jaedong, I hope HerO becomes the hero Protoss needs. En taro Adun! Anyways, on the bright side, MC is going to the next MLG, and with so many Code S players in the pools, MC has a chance at regaining his Code S spot. What the fanboy casual observers on TL don't realize is that Hero is a mid-range Protoss who makes his bones beating white dudes. He's vs Violet in the first round and probably has a less than 50% chance of making it past him...
There's not a single mid-range thing about HerO, hes exceptional in everything except maybe nerves.
Anyway, getting dual sight as your 3rd map vs a zerg seems like a cruel joke.
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On September 19 2011 16:02 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 16:01 Theifzz wrote:
hahaha bye kyrix you won't be missed :D:D but his games vs MKP in open season 2 were so awesome 
He will be forever remembered for his plays just like Hopetorture and Bitbybit. Oh wait.
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United Kingdom38136 Posts
On September 19 2011 16:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:59 Asha` wrote:On September 19 2011 15:57 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 Cyrak wrote:On September 19 2011 15:44 eviltomahawk wrote:Protoss needs a HerO. With the hair of Bisu and possibly the hair of Jaedong, I hope HerO becomes the hero Protoss needs. En taro Adun! Anyways, on the bright side, MC is going to the next MLG, and with so many Code S players in the pools, MC has a chance at regaining his Code S spot. What the fanboy casual observers on TL don't realize is that Hero is a mid-range Protoss who makes his bones beating white dudes. He's vs Violet in the first round and probably has a less than 50% chance of making it past him... Violet sucks. Would absolutely bet on HerO viOlet's ZvP is fine, it's his ZvT that is inconceivably bad. === So many Barracks for GumiBear Dunno about that. The last time I saw him playing against killer and jyp he looked pretty bad. Meanwhile pvz seems to be herO's specialty
I didn't think he was too bad vs JYP, he just got handled by some pretty inspiring Protoss play. He wrecked Tester without too many problems.
I do still expect HerO to win because I think he's great at PvZ, I'd just not go as far as saying that "violet sucks" outright.
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Gas first build for Gumiho.
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Netherlands19124 Posts
I am actually not sad about some players dropping out at all. Time for some new names, some fresh blood and hopefully some surprising styles and moves. Game needs to keep evolving in style, maps and players. Especially in this stage.
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On September 19 2011 16:04 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 19 2011 15:58 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:55 HQuality wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 Chicane wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 TheRidd wrote:Why do you guys keep forgetting HongUn, the most constant player in the league  ) In all seriousness, HongUn and Genius have been relatively consistent which is nothing to scoff at. I was totally serious:D, he's a good player genius is scary again too now Yeah, he is indeed. Actually the only protoss problem is the terran so i dont know why all this guys says protoss up after MC lost to a zerg. Hopefully the new patch will change the state of PvT. Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more. Which I find funny because my brother who plays Zerg hates Protoss so much more than any one else. While many Zergs hate Terran way more than they hate Protoss. It all depends on who you ask.
I think Jinro is talking about good protoss players ^^
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Against Terran you have good builds, it's just that sometimes you get BO losses that seem to be unscoutable.
Against Zerg you have no good builds. 
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On September 19 2011 16:04 HaruRH wrote:Game 2 GuMiho < Terminus RE>  Kyrix1:00Kyrix spawns on 3, Gumiho spawns on 6.
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Gumiho not going expand builds.
Kyrix going 14 hatch.
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On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:58 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:55 HQuality wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 Chicane wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 TheRidd wrote:Why do you guys keep forgetting HongUn, the most constant player in the league ) In all seriousness, HongUn and Genius have been relatively consistent which is nothing to scoff at. I was totally serious:D, he's a good player genius is scary again too now Yeah, he is indeed. Actually the only protoss problem is the terran so i dont know why all this guys says protoss up after MC lost to a zerg. Hopefully the new patch will change the state of PvT. Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more.
I hate 1 basing and mass ghosts from Terran, but I hate everything about zerg.
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On September 19 2011 16:04 Nyovne wrote:
I am actually not sad about some players dropping out at all. Time for some new names, some fresh blood and hopefully some surprising styles and moves. Game needs to keep evolving in style, maps and players. Especially in this stage.
I only have one problem with this: most of these new players coming up into code S...
ALL TERRAN.
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On September 19 2011 15:51 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:45 snarl wrote:On September 19 2011 15:44 synapse wrote:On September 19 2011 15:42 Robonord wrote:
MC didn't lose to imbalance, his play was mediocre. Well deserved win by Monster. I have to agree with this. He let lings run by several times in game two whilst putting on zero pressure, he didn't scout the spire that was IN MONSTER'S MAIN and then chose to push out vs muta/ling/infestor without chargelots or HT or archons. what good are chargelots vs speedlings? and colossus AND HTs+archons off 2 base? really? zealots are good vs lings, esp if you have upgrade advantage (which he should have considering he opened nexus first -> forge). if your zealots can keep up with your blink stalkers then you can freely chase down mutas -- if you noticed in that last battle, mc's zealots arrived at the battle about 5-6 seconds too late. there's also a reason protosses have stopped going for colossus versus fast infestor... what was it called again? neural?
In case you missed game one, the colossus absolutely destroyed neural because MC knows how to focus fire. Charge wouldn't have won that engagement that cost him game3, don't even go there. A handful of zealots arriving 5 seconds earlier simply means they get fungaled with the stalkers and die. 200/200 for charge when he lost 1 colossus for nothing is a very steep investment on 2 base.
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On September 19 2011 16:04 Nyovne wrote:
I am actually not sad about some players dropping out at all. Time for some new names, some fresh blood and hopefully some surprising styles and moves. Game needs to keep evolving in style, maps and players. Especially in this stage.
Amen.
If they are really the best in the world, they bounce back like MarineKing has.
If they aren't they drop out and stay gone.
That being said, I don't think we've seen the last of oGsMC. He'll be back and with a vengeance.
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On September 19 2011 16:04 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 16:03 Demonace34 wrote:On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 19 2011 15:58 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:55 HQuality wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 Chicane wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 TheRidd wrote:Why do you guys keep forgetting HongUn, the most constant player in the league ) In all seriousness, HongUn and Genius have been relatively consistent which is nothing to scoff at. I was totally serious:D, he's a good player genius is scary again too now Yeah, he is indeed. Actually the only protoss problem is the terran so i dont know why all this guys says protoss up after MC lost to a zerg. Hopefully the new patch will change the state of PvT. Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more. I think we just all hate each other. Us vs them mentality with the races. I love everyone though. (except MKP). how can you not love MKP ? : (
It is like that thing where eveyone else loves him so I hate him. I'm a hipster nerd I guess (even though I never liked him). Those basetrades against Nada made me sad spectator. Either way I can see why other people like him...stylistic, amazing micro and a ton of passion whether he wins or loses.
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On September 19 2011 16:03 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 16:02 mordk wrote:On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 19 2011 15:58 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:55 HQuality wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 Chicane wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 TheRidd wrote:Why do you guys keep forgetting HongUn, the most constant player in the league ) In all seriousness, HongUn and Genius have been relatively consistent which is nothing to scoff at. I was totally serious:D, he's a good player genius is scary again too now Yeah, he is indeed. Actually the only protoss problem is the terran so i dont know why all this guys says protoss up after MC lost to a zerg. Hopefully the new patch will change the state of PvT. Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more. Personally, I hate terran a lot more. I think PvZ is doable, while PvT is ridiculous. Then again, that's just my opinion lol. I guess Jinro didn't make it clear enough, but he's talking about professional SC2 Protoss players. If you are a pro SC2 player, I apologize since I don't recognize your handle.
I'm not, and he said players, not pro players, and there are a lot of people talking about it, AND it's likely pro protoss players hate Terran more, because Terran gets troublesome when he can execute a 1-1-1 perfectly, which is truer of pro Terrans.
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On September 19 2011 16:05 Elem wrote:
RIP Kyrix, God of Zerg.
Many kings have fallen
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On September 19 2011 16:05 HaruRH wrote:2:00Gumiho not going expand builds. Kyrix going 14 hatch.
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Gumiho walling off his main using factory, scouted by Kyrix.
Kyrix steals gumiho's gas.
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On September 19 2011 16:04 Nyovne wrote:
I am actually not sad about some players dropping out at all. Time for some new names, some fresh blood and hopefully some surprising styles and moves. Game needs to keep evolving in style, maps and players. Especially in this stage.
agree, Korea needs to transition in SC2 already, its taking too long. We need Flash, Jaedong, etc, ASAP!
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On September 19 2011 16:04 Nyovne wrote:
I am actually not sad about some players dropping out at all. Time for some new names, some fresh blood and hopefully some surprising styles and moves. Game needs to keep evolving in style, maps and players. Especially in this stage.
I would agree if the case wasnt that only protoss players gets knocked out. Just came here and saw that both Alicia and MC were out of Code A. So sad
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On September 19 2011 16:04 DertoQq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 16:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On September 19 2011 16:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On September 19 2011 15:58 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:55 HQuality wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 TheRidd wrote:On September 19 2011 15:54 Chicane wrote:On September 19 2011 15:52 TheRidd wrote:Why do you guys keep forgetting HongUn, the most constant player in the league ) In all seriousness, HongUn and Genius have been relatively consistent which is nothing to scoff at. I was totally serious:D, he's a good player genius is scary again too now Yeah, he is indeed. Actually the only protoss problem is the terran so i dont know why all this guys says protoss up after MC lost to a zerg. Hopefully the new patch will change the state of PvT. Pretty sure most protoss users hate zerg way way way more than terran. Dont get me wrong, they hate terran plenty, they just hate zerg even more. Which I find funny because my brother who plays Zerg hates Protoss so much more than any one else. While many Zergs hate Terran way more than they hate Protoss. It all depends on who you ask. I think Jinro is talking about good protoss players ^^
So was I? Not sure what this comment means.
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