EPT[GSL] Code A RO32 Day 1 - Page 252
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Funtime is over, start behaving in here. You all know the rules and this isn't the place for some kind of comments or discussion. Keep it to the games and keep balance, the casters and meta discussions out of here. Pretty please, with minerals on top. | ||
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ShootingStars
1475 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 20 2011 11:53 fant0m wrote: Everyone uses Infestors now. The only time you don't is when you Roach/Ling all in. Sometimes Mutas, but standard play, even for Nestea and Losira, includes infestors now. Yes, Losira pioneered the refinement of the Roach/Ling all ins that have also contributed to P's problems in PvZ these days. That was definitely a metagame shift that didn't rely on a major patch change, it was similar to SlayerS's blue flame hellion revolution in that it was a new way for Z to punish the greedy expand builds that P had been using to overwhelm Z for such a long time. Speaking of infestors, take a look at DRG's ZvP. A few months ago he started experimenting with an extreme infestor style (yes, the style of that very popular streamer) and has since adapted it into a very strong ZvP. He's very impressive in that matchup. Paired with his excellent ZvT, it's really scary. Nestea went Infestors in only one of his games vs MC and only one vs Hongun. Losira didn't use Infestors in any of his games vs Tester iirc. Nestea used no Infestors vs Inca. Both of them regularly destroy Protoss all the time without Roach/Ling all inning and without using Infestors. The biggest change to the matchup was Zergs understanding the importance of denying the third. The Infestor change is great, but this key understanding of the matchup was much more important. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On September 20 2011 12:04 Blasphemi wrote: Nestea went Infestors in only one of his games vs MC and only one vs Hongun. Losira didn't use Infestors in any of his games vs Tester iirc. Nestea used no Infestors vs Inca. Both of them regularly destroy Protoss all the time without Roach/Ling all inning and without using Infestors. The biggest change to the matchup was Zergs understanding the importance of denying the third. The Infestor change is great, but this key understanding of the matchup was much more important. ^was going to say the same thing. This whole thing about infestors is kinda weird to be honest, because you don't actually see it in many high level games at all compared to other units like hellions or ghosts nowadays. I'm sure people see it a lot on the ladder and certain people's stream, but its not often used in ZvT unless it's super way late game and Coca is the only zerg I can think of that uses it in ZvP regularly. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On September 20 2011 12:04 Blasphemi wrote: Nestea went Infestors in only one of his games vs MC and only one vs Hongun. Losira didn't use Infestors in any of his games vs Tester iirc. Nestea used no Infestors vs Inca. Both of them regularly destroy Protoss all the time without Roach/Ling all inning and without using Infestors. The biggest change to the matchup was Zergs understanding the importance of denying the third. The Infestor change is great, but this key understanding of the matchup was much more important. Ill agree with that though its also coupled with Zergs learning they can hold a superfast 3rd against FFE,1 gate expo and Nexus first. It doesnt get taken down by DTs and VR like it used to so that 3rd is safe and zerg is far enough ahead to then deny a protoss 3rd on all maps but the new terminus. | ||
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Gackt_
335 Posts
What he did against NesTea and MVP by making them getting matched vs eachother in Ro16 last season made MC drop out of Code S and now even dropping out from Code A. Simply hilarious! | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
and Sjow / Select fighting!! | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On September 20 2011 13:55 Sigh wrote: Wow. How did MC go from winning the GSL to dropping from code S and dropping out of code A .. . lol and Sjow / Select fighting!! Well, he picked MVP for his group, who then picked Polt. Turns out MC can't beat champions renowned for their TvP that easily. The rest is just his downward spiral of losses. | ||
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