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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:29 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
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##Vote raynpelikoneet No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die.
I think you misread what I said. I said that the ring holder should only claim if he decided he needed to pass it off or had a role requiring him to pass it.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:33 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:26 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: 1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.
2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.
3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good. Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymistasking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. I agree with this. ##Vote: Greymist Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then. Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 08:53 Drazerk wrote:On September 17 2011 08:41 GreYMisT wrote:On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?
I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever The only neutral figures I can think of (I havnt watched/read LoTR in a long time) are possibly Golom/Smeagal or the Ents. I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it. No one should just get given the ring especially this early in the game. We should use it in the same fashion that the hallows was used in PTP2. How the fuck is that a reason?
Hmm thought I had posted something else along side that.
Basically the first people to seek after items in PTP2 was scum since they obviously won't have any members having it for balance reasons.
( And yes we probably can get the whole confirmed townie thing going from who starts with the ring, shame they will instantly die by claiming it though )
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this isnt a pm game so we dont need a confirmed townie
the only real use of a confirmed townie is its a center for everyone to claim to
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What is the point of arguing about the passing of a ring that is probably not going to get passed, hell, we don't even know if whoever has it even has the ability to pass it? Though it was offered willingly a couple of times (to Galadriel and to Aragorn and at Rivendell Frodo also wanted to get rid of it), I think that it is silly to spam and think about it when it's purely speculation and when there's more important stuff to do.
Right now GreYMisT wrote a(nother) stupid post, saying "I'm sorry, I'm stupid and I'm on a phone too, that's worth a post in and of itself, but I see why you think I'm scum and stupid but I'm really just stupid". This just doesn't sit well with me even though the original reasoning for even voting him was inarguably pretty weak.
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Oh yea Samwyse also had it at some point right? He had it and then he willingly gave it to Frodo 'cause he didn't want to walk around with it or something and then later he indirectly carried it, carrying Frodo who was carrying it. Woopseedaisy.
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On September 17 2011 09:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:29 heist wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet No. No. Do not claim if you have the ring unless you want to die. I think you misread what I said. I said that the ring holder should only claim if he decided he needed to pass it off or had a role requiring him to pass it.
That I did. Apologies. And you're right. Once the mafia have the ring, it's theirs forever unless we have a hero vigi shot since mafia about to be lynched can pass it off.
Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death?
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I'm going out tonight, so don't expect much from me for a little while (~16 hours). Just wanted to let you guys know, in case you missed me while I was gone. <3
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Oh man radfield is in this game
Ladies and gentlefolk, place your bets! Who dies first, me or radfield?!
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On September 17 2011 09:48 heist wrote: Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death?
No public notification will be given.
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On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
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##Vote raynpelikoneet
wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it?
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On September 17 2011 09:51 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it?
I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad.
On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this isnt a pm game so we dont need a confirmed townie
the only real use of a confirmed townie is its a center for everyone to claim to
Confirmed townies are always good. They are a voice that every town player can trust to be legit, and one less player they have to worry about being scum. Every game I play is basically a process of finding town aligned players and sifting through the rest.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:49 JeeJee wrote: Oh man radfield is in this game
Ladies and gentlefolk, place your bets! Who dies first, me or radfield?!
YOU'RE ON!
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On September 17 2011 09:55 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:51 Pyo wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it? I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote?
I think i was reading JeeJee's post when I wrote this. I totally meant kita.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 09:55 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:51 Pyo wrote:On September 17 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: The only reason someone should consider passing off the ring is if they strongly suspect they are going to get hit or right before a lynch. In addition to giving it to someone that they think is town, they also need to make sure that person is safe from hits. Once the ring falls into scum hands, its pretty likely that its going to stay there unless there is a vig shot or something. If you do pass off the ring at some point, you can probably claim since there is a strong likelihood that the first person to get it is town like DrH mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some alternate win conditions attempting to obtain the ring.
Also, curu mentioned earlier that he could rebalance the setup with 25/26 rather than 30, so that probably means there is a 4:1 scum ratio.
Finally:
##Vote raynpelikoneet wait, what? Did I miss something? Do we know what the ring even does, besides make everyone want it? I don't know know what it does, but I want it really bad. On another note, Radfield what's up with your vote?
Which vote would that be?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Presumably Frodo or Bilbo start with the ring, as this is LOTR mafia. Not Hobbit mafia or Random mafia. If you have the ring, obviously keep it and don't tell anyone in any way that you have it . I think we can all assume that a Sauran or Saruman with the ring with have some nasty abilities. If you HAVE to give it a player, then don't reveal who you gave it to.
Keep it secret, Keep it safe.
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Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to:
I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?
I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever
What makes you think that there will be more than one faction?
On September 17 2011 09:48 heist wrote:
That I did. Apologies. And you're right. Once the mafia have the ring, it's theirs forever unless we have a hero vigi shot since mafia about to be lynched can pass it off.
Will we be notified if the ring changes hands either through giving it away or death?
I think it likely that scum players will not be able to pass the ring amongst each other. First, that defeats the ring passing mechanic of the game. Second, the OP specifically mentions that some roles will not be able to freely pass the ring. Of all the roles in the game, surely no evil LOTR character would have the willpower to give up the ring.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.
In case you hadn't noticed, this player is currently Greymist.
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