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Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 17 2011 01:16 GMT
#181
To clarify, everyone may attempt to give away the Ring once they have it. You will only discover whether or not you possess the necessary willpower to give it away after trying via its success or failure.
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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 17 2011 01:21 GMT
#182
I sorta see greymist right now but at this point theres not really enough evidence for me to justify a vote, especially since its been all of 2 hours.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:23 GMT
#183
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:24 GMT
#184
To clarify though I'm really suspicious of him for dropping a third vote on someone that originally had no justification, then he voted without adding any justification.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 17 2011 01:25 GMT
#185
On September 17 2011 09:46 prplhz wrote:
EBWOP

Oh yea Samwyse also had it at some point right? He had it and then he willingly gave it to Frodo 'cause he didn't want to walk around with it or something and then later he indirectly carried it, carrying Frodo who was carrying it. Woopseedaisy.


Yes, Sam did carry the ring for a few hours when Frodo was stung by Shelob as they crossed into Mordor; then gave it up once he discovered Frodo to be alive after rescuing him. Quite a faithful colleague he was, doing all that. Do note that its effects are focused only on the person who possesses it, no more, no less.
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 17 2011 01:26 GMT
#186
On September 17 2011 10:24 Navillus wrote:
To clarify though I'm really suspicious of him for dropping a third vote on someone that originally had no justification, then he voted without adding any justification.

Yeah, I was going to post on that point that it looked like he was blatantly trying to start a bandwagon with his vote right there. Suspicious, but not yet enough to trigger a vote from me for it.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 17 2011 01:29 GMT
#187
OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:33 GMT
#188
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 17 2011 01:35 GMT
#189
It's not really important as it's all speculations at the moment but I don't see Tom Bombadil as anything else but a neutral PGO who shoots at anyone who visits him apart from hobbits and Gandalf.


On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:

Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment.


They definitely should be.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#190
On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote:
It's not really important as it's all speculations at the moment but I don't see Tom Bombadil as anything else but a neutral PGO who shoots at anyone who visits him apart from hobbits and Gandalf.


Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote:

Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment.


They definitely should be.


See now I don't know the lore but unless this is like a 110% perfect fit, I'd rather stay away from guessing such specific roles (especially with specific exceptions) just from lore. Even if it is a fit, maybe Curu doesn't like PGOs (paranoid gun owners if like me you had to look it up, xtfftc described the whole role though) so I really don't think we can or should try to assume these things.
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
September 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#191
On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too

##Vote Drazerk



Fine with me... no idea why you would claim VT this early in the game though.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 17 2011 01:58 GMT
#192
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?
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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 17 2011 02:10 GMT
#193
On September 17 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote:
OriginalName, what do you "sorta see" about greymist?


I sort of see why people are suspicous but it really boils down to a poor reaction to a really null tell (IE fishing for the ring as if you noted i fished for the wand in PYP2 and flipped town) I want to see how things develop first.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
September 17 2011 02:11 GMT
#194
On September 17 2011 10:58 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 17 2011 02:11 GMT
#195


My sons, my residents of Middle Earth,

Today, we all have a mission. We must destroy the evils that walk among us, and we must be united in doing so.

They will use deception. They will use force. And they will not relent. We must be careful, otherwise we may be tricked. But, we cannot be complacent; we must fight. And fight we shall.

On September 17 2011 09:26 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 09:19 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:
On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote:
Let's get this game started!

As always, some general advice:

1) Town should stay focused. A few talking points should dominate a day cycle but never so many that it's basically everyone posting suspicions on everyone else, leading to "post-by-post analysis" of 5+ people. A disorganized town is a plus for the mafia.

2) Don't rely on power roles. Assume we have none and go from there.

3) Personally I like a bit of civility but I do understand some people like to be aggressive and it has it's uses. But let's keep the atmosphere positive instead of negative. Negative atmosphere will be detrimental to town play and at the end of the day that isn't good.


Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time.

Also, ##vote: Greymist

asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you.


I agree with this.

##Vote: Greymist


Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going.
Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote?


I actually had stated my reasons regarding the ring earlier I just didn't vote for you then.


My brethren, I have only one thing to say to this:

Liar.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
September 17 2011 02:18 GMT
#196
On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:58 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.


sigh. As supersoft mentioned on page 8 of this thread, the "guys give the ring to me" bit was a joke post. No one can possibly believe that a real scum player would step into the spotlight, on the first page of day one, and with no reasoning demand what might be a very powerful ability just be handed over to him. The post you quoted is my actual opinion on the subject of the ring or any other items that might be present in this game.
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 17 2011 02:19 GMT
#197
On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:58 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.


Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke...
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 17 2011 02:31 GMT
#198
On September 17 2011 11:19 Navillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:58 GreYMisT wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.


Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant.
Hobbits
Wizards
Elves
Dwarves
Men

I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys?


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.


Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke...

Just a talking point, what if he's Smeagol/Gollum? His behavior seems normal if that was his role; as he would want the ring, try to fish for it, and throttle anyone who got in his way of looking for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 17 2011 02:31 GMT
#199
On September 17 2011 09:57 kitaman27 wrote:
sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch?


Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
September 17 2011 03:00 GMT
#200
On September 17 2011 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 09:57 kitaman27 wrote:
sandroba, you mentioned you won't be around until Sunday. Will you be providing your opening thoughts today so you don't earn yourself a free pass in the day one lynch?


Would you provide some info why would you like to heve me lynched? And why would you ever want to claim you have/had The Ring (at least at this stage of a game - or with this stage of info). Do you really think it's wise?


Mainly to get a response from a player I've never played with before. Feel free to prove to me why you shouldn't be lynched. Obviously whoever has the ring should not claim. What I said was for the player to claim if they ever passed on the ring, since they were very likely be town.
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