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Falcynn
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 Anyways, after looking through the post I think the clues (if there are any) are as follows...
So I'm just going to start looking through the list of profiles and see if anything makes a decent match. I don't know how Caller constructs his clues, so if you think I missed something feel free to add. Also I'm pretty certain that the pennies in the eyes are a reference to the movie Boondock Saints (there are a few other things it could reference to, but as I can't recall it off the top of my head I'll leave it at that for now). So keep a look out for anyone with any allusions to vigilante justice, religious themes, or anything relating to the movie connected to them. Edited because I'm noob with bullet points. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + All of this based off things I found in their profiles. Incredibly Weak Leads Elemenope + Show Spoiler + Has a picture of a Crystal Maiden from DotA and some other hero that I'm not familiar with (I don't play dota) however, according to dotastrategy.com the crystal maiden was "Trained by a renegade wizard deep in the heart of Winterspring." Which vaguely relates to the vigilantism that I noted may be a clue in my earlier post. Plexa + Show Spoiler + His quote "Spirit will set you free" when googled returns a either Christian scriptures, lyrics to a gospel song, or...Plexa's posts. Either way, this relates a bit to the point I made about the pennies in the eyes in my previous post. Shikyo + Show Spoiler + His profile seems to focus a lot on metal (music), which can vaguely relate to the mass of scrap metal (tanks on bridge) left behind. Chezinu + Show Spoiler + His profile has a small blurb about a "Brown state". Mud=Brown? Coltrane + Show Spoiler + Quote in profile says "Why is the rum gone" which could reference the vodka/tavern. Very doubtful lead Scamp + Show Spoiler + Picture of a cat lying in a gutter, which can collect mud. Maybe relates to the redtooth's corpse in the mud. Well, I hope that's enough to get the ball rolling. | ||
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On July 29 2009 13:01 Foolishness wrote: Anyone who calls someone mafia for calling people innocent off the bat is clearly Ukrainian.Anyone who calls other people innocent right off the bat is clearly mafia | ||
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On July 29 2009 13:06 Foolishness wrote: Anyone who criticizes someone for trying to neatly organize information is clearly trying to bury the truth! Which makes them mafia.Anyone who makes their own topic about their opinions is clearly an attention whore. | ||
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On July 30 2009 01:02 clazziquai wrote: This is MOTHER RUSSIA! RED IS GOOD! Blues are sniveling capitalist pigs.If so, shouldn't the rebels be Red? Meh, the colors confused me for a sec haha | ||
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Edit: Ah, two accounts, I see. | ||
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On July 30 2009 04:49 Zato-1 wrote: He shows up as field marshall if he's checked, but he retains whatever role he started off with originally.Wait what? The elected officer can be ukranian? O.o I thought his role would change to Field Marshall if a Ukranian was chosen to begin with... | ||
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However, I think anyone who thinks that the detectives can easily infiltrate a decently sized portion of the network are seriously underestimating how smart these guys can be. Just the threat of DTs posing as Ukrainians is going to make them a hell of a lot more cautious in terms of who they trust. Verifying someone as Ukrainian is, as Ace mentioned, as easy as asking them who they killed the previous night or who they'll kill the next night. The detective would have to be incredibly lucky to get either of these questions correct, and if he doesn't he'll be killed. Basically he'll go through all of this work to get just a single Ukrainian, which can easily be done without all of this pretending. In short, I'm in favor of NKVD posing as Ukrainian, but I'm heavily against this idea of them trying to infiltrate the network as it'll just be a waste of time and effort on their part imo. | ||
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NKVD should disguise themselves as Ukrainians This is good because it'll force the Ukrainians to be more careful about who they trust, stalling any form of organization between them for at least a few days. The only drawback to this is if an NKVD targets another NKVD, which is fairly unlikely, but if it does happen it shouldn't be too disastrous because... NKVD should not try to infiltrate the network This is a waste of time, because the Ukrainians have enough methods at their disposal to verify Ukrainians within a day. If an NKVD agent comes out to a Ukrainian, then they have roughly 1 day left to live. If they're that suicidal, they may as well just open up to the town and pray for medic protection. They should simply disguise as Ukrainian, then continue playing as if this was any other mafia game by subtly trying to sway the towns opinion with what they find out rather than trying to come out in the open. | ||
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On July 30 2009 06:05 Zato-1 wrote: No. This is why in some previous mafia games you have people post absolutely everything they know when they believe they're going to die. After you're dead you can't post anything that has any affect on the game.On a completely unrelated issue- can a 'dead' player still post after he got killed, such as saying "oh guys, before I died I got a PM from player X, it said such and such"? | ||
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Because while I perfectly agree that trying to infiltrate the rebel network is a horrible idea, I don't see any other role that NKVD can disguise as. If they disguise themselves as red, they'll get killed off quickly. If they disguise themselves as green, then they'll probably be killed off as well. By disguising themselves as blue, then that throws a wrench into whatever plans the rebels have to organize stalling them for a few days at least. | ||
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Well, I guess this is where we have a disagreement. I really really believe that NKVD should pose as rebels. The chances of them of being RC'd by the rebels are slim enough that they won't have to worry about having to BS their way out, and the confusion of having them undercover will, as I mentioned repeatedly, stall any organization efforts for a few days. Which IMO is a huge asset to us. | ||
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On July 30 2009 07:05 Ace wrote: Bit wired right now so I'm having trouble organizing my thoughts, but I'm gonna give it a shot.yes they can. Rebels will always talk to any blue they find. Hence, any NKVD dressed as blue will be contacted whether they want to or not. At this point if you assume everyone followed your rule SURE it confirms the Rebel as guilty BUT the Rebel always has the defense that he is also an undercover NKVD Agent and was contacted first. How do you find out who is the liar? Come on, THINK the entire scenario through and stop assuming everyone is dumb to the point they can't realize they have a simple alibi that fucks the town over. That excuse wouldn't make sense. If we go by the way you have it thought out it'd go like this (Falcynn=NKVD Ace=Rebel, not implying anything, just realizing that this is hard to keep track of if I dn't do this). Again, this is all completely hypothetical. Ace: Hey I just role check you and you're rebel apparently, I'm gonna need to figure out if I can trust you though, so who are you going to kill tonight/who did you kill last night. I then post in the thread that Ace is a rebel. Ace then posts in the thread that he's actually NKVD and that I'm the one who contacted him first. TBH that seems like a BS excuse because even if for whatever reason we entertain the possibility that Ace is NKVD and I'm a rebel, why the hell would I blow my identity like that? As a rebel I'd want to stay hidden as long as possible and only attempt to come out when my cover is blown. Alternatively, the way I actually see this happening though is... Ace: Hey, saw you're a rebel, just to make sure, who did you kill last night/who are you going to kill tomorrow? Falcynn: I used a role check last night and found out that (person that I really did role check since I'm NKVD) is green. Tomorrow I'm gonna kill L. *tomorrow comes and goes* Ace: dude, you said you were gonna kill L. Falcynn: fuck man, fucking medic blocked me. You know what, I think I'll role check this next turn blah blah blah. while my life is considerably shorter, I can stall like this for at least a few days while I gather more information and pass it on to confirmed greens. | ||
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Trying to think in the mindset of a rebel, to do that I would have to rolecheck someone, find out they're a rebel, and then immediately come out to the town with this without even knowing if my suspicions of them being NKVD are true. If someone comes out to the town claiming that they're NKVD and so-and-so is a rebel, then unless they're just trying to troll the game, they're probably telling the truth. Because what reason would a rebel have to expose themselves like that. If it's a rebel false-claiming then the only reasonable options are. A) The rebel was wrong and the other blue really is a rebel, then he just outted a fellow rebel. B) The rebel was right and the other blue is actually NKVD, then he just outted himself because after the town lynches the NKVD, they'll go straight for him. Considering that I hope the NKVD aren't stupid enough to tell the rebels what their role is before they report it to the town, then I don't see any reason for the rebel to false-claim to the town, meaning that anyone claiming the NKVD role while condemning someone else is most likely telling the truth as long as all NKVD make sure NOT to contact anyone. Again, I'm a bit wired so I'm having trouble trying to set my thoughts straight, but I hope I'm making sense. | ||
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Anyways, as for my input. I feel pretty stupid now for not thinking of disguising as a Veteran. I was thinking that disguising as a Red would make them an instant target to the rebels, but Veterans are, in terms of their direct effect on the game, about as useful as greens, with the added benefit of being too tedious to kill. Our main priority for the NKVD should be to avoid detection at all costs, while gathering information as with any normal mafia game. The only argument for them to roleclaim as Conscripts is so that they appear useless and not worth killing. However as has been noted already, due to the Ukrainians disadvantage of not knowing each other and having a time limit (supposedly) they'll probably just kill people as soon as they see that it's a safe kill. We've discussed the advantages and disadvantages of them disguising as rebels over and over, and I think after 6 pages it's safe to say that despite the advantages, there are way too many variables in making sure that the NKVD is safe and that their information stays reliable. Disguising as veterans is the best of both worlds. The rebels will avoid killing them as it's too much of a hassle to waste a kill on someone who probably won't die right away, and they won't contact them as there's no point in revealing themselves to a Russian. Meaning the NKVD will be safe, and there's no risk of their information getting caught up in some huge clusterfuck. Edited some glaring grammatical errors that made this too hard to read. | ||
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