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I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif. However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post. On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now: I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote: gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry.I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical. Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3. His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT. Why on earth would you bring up discussion of blues on D1, even if that's what you thought? | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:49 mahrgell wrote: 3) Next Calix asks you about NU. Instead of answering, you refuse to answer at all, because you consider Calix scum. I believe enough people pointed out at this point that this is pretty anti-town. Considering you being worried about the town atmosphere before, this is rather ironic. The only problem is that even this isn't an original point. I pointed it out, and a few others. He even admits that this point was taken from other people. Also don't like how mahrgell keeps giving himself outs. I understand it's D1, but his posts are littered with him. On November 03 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote: - overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets. If he thinks it would be easier knowing some meta, I expect him to go snooping and answer his question. In terms of Foreman: On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote: How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix? I like this post. I was also puzzled with this progression from NU. For me, I believe that the wishy-washy half step in, half step out approach of mahrgell is more scum indicative than Calix's tunneling. As of now, I like Foreman better than I like mahrgell. The only thing I have taken issue with so far in Foreman's game is his early dismissal of Calix, and his open admission that he plays anti-town or something. Like ???? Also curious why Ticktock goes from this: On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote: Ok more or less caught up. Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e. ... After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me. ##Vote: Exo_ To soft defending him from NU in this post: On November 03 2016 07:21 Tictock wrote: Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone? I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim. Also VT's claim VT all the time. | ||
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1. ExO came in 2. Got scum read and pressured 3. Weak case on Calix 4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation 5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell 6. People seemingly forget about ExO | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:24 Calix wrote: I'll confess to missing that TPR comment entirely. What scum motivation do you two see behind it though? Is it odd? Sure, but I always figure that scum would just say "yo fam, ExO might be TPR" in their scum chat or something. Yea I know, but it doesn't make sense from any alignment imo. The existence of the scum chat kinda nulls this point, but I thought it's at least worth pointing out. I remember in previous mafia games I've played on TL, people made a big deal out of "slips" like that | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:31 NeverUnlucky wrote: I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this. It is a mistake, I admit, but if I took out the "or he is blue" part of my post, the post would have had the exact same meaning, and I wouldn't have got shit for it. Saying I don't believe his VT claim is essentially saying I think he's blue or mafia. I worded the assumptions lying behind that post, t's all. I'm not making a big deal out of it, I merely thought it was weird, regardless of your alignment. I don't think we need to discuss it further. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote: Yea I kinda liked that you asked her about her read on marg. Still it's an odd switch in thinking to go from "Calix is scum!" to "Calix is town, and this dude is buddying her, so is scum" Also, you kinda lost your chance to change my interpretation by telling me to read your filter. Don't think I like this post; you kinda like something he did, then called it an odd switch, which is less than a scum read, then told him that his mind cant be changed?? This post, in three lines, is sending very mixed signals about his read on Foreman | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote: 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing. I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!" | ||
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On November 04 2016 01:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Sooooo... both players who gave me shit for saying "or he is blue" are going down this road too. haHAA. + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 01:22 darthfoley wrote: I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!" On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote: - read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it. But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there. Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot. But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho: a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip. If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours. I don't understand what this post is trying to imply | ||
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On November 04 2016 01:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: You called me out for something you did. Hypocrite. I called you out for something I did? I was specifically responding to Rels's second point about how it "removes his ability to fakeclaim." I think there's like 400 different ways ExO's VT claim has no bearing on his later game claims. This is not the angle you were approaching it from. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:54 Tictock wrote: Eh, I like this thinking but I think your first point is moot since Exo stated several times that he doesn't think his claim is bad for town. I'm actually seeing more of a disconnect between how much he talked about why he claimed and yet never realized why that claim might be bad. I suppose since this is a newbie game I should elaborate on why a VT claim is bad for town. Basically it makes mafia's side goal of killing off blue roles that much easier. If you are VT and claim it is essentially helping mafia blue hunt by narrowing the pool of people they want to look into. Why do you "like this thinking" if you admit that his first point is null and you don't respond to the second point? If it's all null or NAI, what is there to like? TT's discussion of Rels seems super off to me. On November 03 2016 23:59 Tictock wrote: Honestly I don't really recall it was a bit too long ago, I'll go skim to refresh my memory though. Ah, yea he seemed like obv town that game due to how gung-ho he was right off the bat and his interactions with Lunatic (and lunatic flipping scum) made it super obv he was town. I don't feel like comparing the games is a good way to read Rels though, I've seen him be lackluster as town when he doesn't have much time and super active and involved as scum when he does. Giving it more thought I might actually give Rels a slight townlean because as scum I think he'd be more worried about how he presents his reads, here it is more like he's just sharing what he's got so far. Ticktock says two lines before that you shouldn't compare games with Rels, because of his variability, then gives him a slight townlean based off of what can only be characterized as meta analysis off of previous games. Why would you think his scum play is likely to play out one way or another when you've just admitted that he has various playstyles? On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Not trying to rehash everything, but IMO saying it's illogical for town to do something, worded in that way, implies a mafia lean to some extent. TT, can you explain, how it shows "deeper thinking" and why that deeper thinking indicates Calix to be town? Also don't like his last defense against Skynx + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 01:18 Tictock wrote: And you called my post on Exo the worst case ever. This is pretty out of context. First Calix saying she wasn't scumreading him has nothing to do with his defense since Calix said that much later (I also have no issues with her pointing out something she doesn't like, calling it illogical or w/e, and then not scumreading the person for it. I actually shows deeper thinking imo). Second, of course anyone is going to defend themselves, it's about how they do it. Exo took 2 questions from Calix as some kind of immense pressure to make him post gifs (what?) and called her scum for it. That's overblown no matter how you look at it. I stand by my assessment. Him changing his stance from "I'm gunna post gifs and have fun" to "I'm gunna claim VT and get all serious about shit" is far more likely to come from someone who rolled scum and doesn't want to draw attention for posting mostly gifs. You clearly don't know what OMGUS is. You could be, but similarly to my thinking on Exo your early play was openly drawing attn to yourself which is not usually what scum want to do. I alluded to that somewhere. How does any of that make me scum? And long silence? How are you going to accuse me of taking a long silence when you've spent the whole first half of the phase just complaining about reading and only now getting around to posting substance... Your other post was decent, but you can stay floating in null/scum territory for this. The green implies that TT should be townreading Skynx, and maybe even ExO for doing things "mafia normally wouldn't do" (i.e. drawing attention to themselves early), yet he flips in the next paragraph to saying his opening was scummy for being silent? You can't have it both ways. I'm putting my vote on ##Ticktock | ||
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On November 04 2016 01:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: Perhaps you have reads you would like to share? c: Sure I think Foreman is most town to me. My pyramid thing would go something like this Town Foreman NU, Calix, Skynx Rels mahrgell, ExO, TT Mafia I have Rels null because he's yet to really engage the thread besides an early read pyramid. I want to hear why he "hated" my post, among other things. Can I get Calix's and your opinion of each other? I'm pretty sure you are townreading each other, yet continue to bicker and harp on the same points. I'd also like to hear what you think of Ticktock | ||
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