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Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 07 2015 07:01 GMT
#33
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Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 01:12 GMT
#178
I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered.

On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push.

##Vote: Kickstarter

(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game)
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 02:25 GMT
#223
On June 12 2015 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:
I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered.

On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push.

##Vote: Kickstarter

(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game)

Are noobking and ruxx town then?


I townread n00b because I liked his post on ruxx. I townread ruxx at the time but I want to take the time to digest Kick's latest post before giving another read on him.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 02:39 GMT
#232
@Kickstart
the initial scumread on you is essentially cause most of your posts up to that point were filler although that seems to not be true anymore.

Regarding ruXxar answer me this: A common mafia tell for new players is to both refrain from posting and to be timid in their posts however as n00bKing pointed out neither of these are true for ruXxar; and in your own post you say ruXxar falls for a different new player tell by citing his inexperience. So why is it that some of these tells apply to ruXx but others don't?
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 03:01 GMT
#245
On June 12 2015 11:48 Kickstart wrote:
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On June 12 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote:
@Kickstart
the initial scumread on you is essentially cause most of your posts up to that point were filler although that seems to not be true anymore.

Regarding ruXxar answer me this: A common mafia tell for new players is to both refrain from posting and to be timid in their posts however as n00bKing pointed out neither of these are true for ruXxar; and in your own post you say ruXxar falls for a different new player tell by citing his inexperience. So why is it that some of these tells apply to ruXx but others don't?

I don't really think your question makes sense but Ill attempt to answer anyways. First off, just because a player does X doest not mean they are scum. If ruXxar had lurked and been timid in his posting that doesn't automatically make him mafia, nor does my point about him citing his inexperience make him mafia. The point is that these are some traps that inexperienced scum players fall into for different reasons. Asking why he doesn't do one but does another just makes no sense to me. I mean, I've not played with him before but it seems he isn't the quiet passive type so by definition the first "tell" you cited wouldn't be a tell of his would it?


K, the way I am interpreting this answer is "it is not one tell that makes a mafia, but the sum of all their actions" which I actually like.

On June 12 2015 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
I just think that ruxx isnt mafia and you are trying too hard to make up a case on him.


How is that true at all? Like quote the exact text where you think he is stretching for a read.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 05:04 GMT
#255
I'll go ahead and unvote Kick since his filter is no longer just fluff.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 19:37 GMT
#415
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 20:30 GMT
#428
On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:
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On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:
@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him?

I'd rather lynch you.


You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats?

@Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 23:24 GMT
#546
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 00:22 GMT
#588
@Moosy you probably missed it but n00b was defending ruXx as early as page 9
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 02:07 GMT
#602
@Wave are you really going to scum read just based on that one post? Besides that post is about Batsnacks so if you want to call it bad tell me why my logic on bats is flawed (who I believe is someone you scumread as well).
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 03:17 GMT
#609
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.

Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 04:51 GMT
#612
On June 13 2015 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.

Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.

I think hes town, is that not clear lol.

If you scumread bats, then why did you mention all the people who were scumreading bats in your vote post? Shouldnt your own reasoning be sufficient to vote for him even if no one else is?


This might be wrong but the way it was explained to me was that if you are being scumread and you need to lynch a mafia you should cite someone who is being townread since their word has more clout.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 06:38 GMT
#623
On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?


I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town.

And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 06:58 GMT
#625
@trfel this post. It made me realize that just because Bats was town last time I tried to lynch doesn't mean it should stop me this time.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 07:00 GMT
#626
Also I feel bad for saying I would lynch Damdred when he hasn't posted much. So now he isn't on my lynch list.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 19:13 GMT
#752
On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player)

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On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)

If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.

1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.

In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.

2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.

Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.

3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.

He's not doing this here.

Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.

Leave the bats alone




This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:00 GMT
#784
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#788
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:10 GMT
#797
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.
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